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1 minute ago, LordMastodon said:

Can you just post something saying to get that RAID card, the SSDs and the CacheVault battery so I can give it Best Answer?

Just mark that post (yours just now) as the best answer, doesn't worry me just happy to help out.

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1 minute ago, LordMastodon said:

If I understand RAID correctly, RAID 5/6 has only one redundant drive (drive that could fail and nobody would care), so if two drives fail before you're able to fix the array, you're pretty much screwed. For RAID 10, two drives could fail (as long as they're on different channels) and you'd still be fine. And if you look at it statistically, after one drive has failed, there's a 1/3 chance the next drive to fail will be in the same channel as the one that just failed, so yeah. Performance isn't a huge problem as long as they're SSDs, and redundancy is super duper important because most of this stuff is mission critical.

RAID 5 has 1 parity bit and can survive 1 disk failure and RAID 6 has 2 parity bits and can survive ANY 2 disk failures.

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2 minutes ago, scottyseng said:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118232&cm_re=cachevault_9361-_-16-118-232-_-Product

 

This thing. I think it might come with the card in the combo kit, but I can't remember correctly.

 
1 minute ago, leadeater said:

Yet another power loss prevention component that protects the onboard cache of the RAID card, servers have tons of batteries hidden in all sorts of places ;)

 
 

I don't remember seeing the battery in the Newegg video, so I'm going to assume I should probably buy one. From the thumbnail, I can't see any connectors or anything, do you know how it connects?

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1 minute ago, LordMastodon said:

If I understand RAID correctly, RAID 5/6 has only one redundant drive (drive that could fail and nobody would care), so if two drives fail before you're able to fix the array, you're pretty much screwed. For RAID 10, two drives could fail (as long as they're on different channels) and you'd still be fine. And if you look at it statistically, after one drive has failed, there's a 1/3 chance the next drive to fail will be in the same channel as the one that just failed, so yeah. Performance isn't a huge problem as long as they're SSDs, and redundancy is super duper important because most of this stuff is mission critical.

Ah, you're mistaken for RAID6. It's actually more drive failure resistant than RAID10. RAID6 allows for any two drives to fail. Three drives will kill the array (Same for RAID10).

 

With RAID10, you can have two drives fail, but it has to be the right two drives. It can't be any two drives. You have two RAID1 mirrors in RAID0. If both drives in one of the RAID1 pairing, your array is dead. You can only lose one drive per RAID1 pair.

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3 minutes ago, LordMastodon said:

I don't remember seeing the battery in the Newegg video, so I'm going to assume I should probably buy one. From the thumbnail, I can't see any connectors or anything, do you know how it connects?

In the video you linked it is on the card, you can just see in to the left of the heatsink. There is a slightly raised PCB on top of the card, that is the cachevault card.

 

Edit: At the 0:51 mark it shows a close up of the card without the cachevault on it and a black protector cap over the socket.

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Just now, leadeater said:

RAID 5 has 1 parity bit and can survive 1 disk failure and RAID 6 has 2 parity bits and can survive ANY 2 disk failures.

Oh, really? I was under a totally different impression. I'll have to tell the higher ups, because they really stressed that redundancy was pretty much the biggest thing here. I had to find a redundant power supply for an ATX case because of that.

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Just now, leadeater said:

In the video you linked it is on the card, you can just see in to the left of the heatsink. There is a slightly raised PCB on top of the card, that is the cachevault card.

 

Oh, OK. So I don't have to buy one then.

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Oh, OK. So I don't have to buy one then.

Yeah, that's good because man, they aren't cheap. Yeah, the cachevault card sits on top of the RAID card (raised just slightly) and you connect the battery to that.

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3 minutes ago, LordMastodon said:

Oh, OK. So I don't have to buy one then.

Not sure I would check package contents list, I got mind second hand with all the extra software/hardware features. I was super happy I found it since I paid about 1/3 the full price for an unboxed but 3 month old card.

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4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Not sure I would check package contents list, I got mind second hand with all the extra software/hardware features. I was super happy I found it since I paid about 1/3 the full price for an unboxed but 3 month old card.

 

When I search it and click the Newegg result, the package contents are MegaRAID SAS 9361-8i, QIG, and LP Bracket and I'm really not sure what QIG means. When I click the link in the video, the package contents also come with a breakout cable but the thing is out of stock. Neither of those have with a battery, so I'm assuming I actually do have to buy one, sadly.

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3 minutes ago, LordMastodon said:

When I search it and click the Newegg result, the package contents are MegaRAID SAS 9361-8i, QIG, and LP Bracket and I'm really not sure what QIG means. When I click the link in the video, the package contents also come with a breakout cable but the thing is out of stock. Neither of those have with a battery, so I'm assuming I actually do have to buy one, sadly.

Seems so, when I go to the newegg page for the card it lists the cachevault as a recommended purchase.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118230

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Just now, leadeater said:

Seems so, when I go to the newegg page for the card it lists the cachevault as a recommended purchase.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118230

 

Yeah, and the breakout cables aren't included either, which sucks. I bet those cost more than the actual RAID card.

 

Also, I've been having trouble finding the Kingston KC310, the only one I found was a V310, is there a huge difference and should I care?

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5 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Seems so, when I go to the newegg page for the card it lists the cachevault as a recommended purchase.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118230

 

Is this breakout cable any good? It says it's SFF-8643 to 4x SATA, but you probably know better than me.

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7 minutes ago, LordMastodon said:

Yeah, and the breakout cables aren't included either, which sucks. I bet those cost more than the actual RAID card.

 

Also, I've been having trouble finding the Kingston KC310, the only one I found was a V310, is there a huge difference and should I care?

Wouldn't use the V300, no power loss protection and not that good.

 

Have a look for a KC400, think that is just the new KC310.

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Just now, leadeater said:

Wouldn't use the V300, no power loss protection and not that good.

 

Have a look for a KC400, think that is just the new KC310.

 

Alright, I found those, and Score! They're a whole hell of a lot cheaper than even the Sandisk ones!

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Just now, leadeater said:

Yep that's the one you want.

Good. You know, you're probably one of the most helpful people I've encountered on this forum. I want to give you best answer but I'm not even sure what post to attribute it to!

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2 minutes ago, LordMastodon said:

Alright, I found those, and Score! They're a whole hell of a lot cheaper than even the Sandisk ones!

Oh wow, yea they are cheap. Nice.

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1 minute ago, leadeater said:

Oh wow, yea they are cheap. Nice.

Can you just post something saying to get that RAID card, the SSDs and the CacheVault battery so I can give it Best Answer?

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1 minute ago, LordMastodon said:

Can you just post something saying to get that RAID card, the SSDs and the CacheVault battery so I can give it Best Answer?

Just mark that post (yours just now) as the best answer, doesn't worry me just happy to help out.

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Just now, leadeater said:

Just mark that post (yours just now) as the best answer, doesn't worry me just happy to help out.

People hate it when the OP marks their own answer as the best answer (most of the time with good reason) so I'll just mark your post telling me to mark my own post (evil genius, yes I know).

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2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Just mark that post (yours just now) as the best answer, doesn't worry me just happy to help out.

Also, any chance I could get you to look over the list so far and tell me what I'm screwing up? http://pcpartpicker.com/list/r7Tk6X

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GPU: Intel HD Graphics 530

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Storage: 525 GB Crucial MX300 SSD

PSU: Whatever power jack comes with it

Display: Some 1366 x 768 garbage + an OK 1080p monitor

Cooling: Not enough + an external laptop tray

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Mouse: $4 Lenovo 3D Optical Mouse (not as bad as you (rightly) assumed)

Sound: The Skullcandy branding right under the power button should clue you in

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4 minutes ago, LordMastodon said:

People hate it when the OP marks their own answer as the best answer (most of the time with good reason) so I'll just mark your post telling me to mark my own post (evil genius, yes I know).

Honestly I was just being lazy at that point, it's 12am and couldn't be bothered writing a longish post with all those points in it xD

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Honestly I was just being lazy at that point, it's 12am and couldn't be bothered writing a longish post with all those point in it xD

Haha. I've been up till 2 AM on this forum sometimes. It's a really great forum. Also, it's not ugly *cough* *cough* forums.overclockers.co.uk *cough* *cough*.

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Motherboard: Toshiba L55-C5392 Mobo

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GPU: Intel HD Graphics 530

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Storage: 525 GB Crucial MX300 SSD

PSU: Whatever power jack comes with it

Display: Some 1366 x 768 garbage + an OK 1080p monitor

Cooling: Not enough + an external laptop tray

Keyboard: The included one

Mouse: $4 Lenovo 3D Optical Mouse (not as bad as you (rightly) assumed)

Sound: The Skullcandy branding right under the power button should clue you in

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6 minutes ago, LordMastodon said:

Also, any chance I could get you to look over the list so far and tell me what I'm screwing up? http://pcpartpicker.com/list/r7Tk6X

Looks good, if you want to save a little bit more the E5-2620v4 will be more than enough. I'll have a quick look at some supermicro motherboards to see if there is a better or equal option, I just prefer them since they are primarily in the server market.

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14 minutes ago, LordMastodon said:

Also, any chance I could get you to look over the list so far and tell me what I'm screwing up? http://pcpartpicker.com/list/r7Tk6X

Have a look at this motherboard and see what you think, the main benefits are IPMI, dual nics and a server chipset C612 not X99.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182959&cm_re=X10SRA-_-13-182-959-_-Product

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