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Which is better for Gaming 6850k or 5930k?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

hi im pretty new at building and im curious which is better for gaming while using multiple virtual machine

is it 6850k or 5930k? 

 

thanks

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The 6850K. They are basically the same but I would go with newer.


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2 minutes ago, Kardel81 said:

hi im pretty new at building and im curious which is better for gaming while using multiple virtual machine

is it 6850k or 5930k? 

 

thanks

It depends... Stock to stock the 6800k beats the 5820k (DO NOT WASTE MONEY ON EITHER THE 5930k or 6850k), but right now BW-E doesn't OC that well so they are about the same OC to OC. 

 

Get the cheaper of the two IMHO.


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1 minute ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

(DO NOT WASTE MONEY ON EITHER THE 5930k or 6850k)

There are some situations where the 5930K and 6850K are needed over their reduced PCIe lane counterparts, but for most people it is best to go for either save some money and get a 6800K (or spend more and go for the 6900K).

 

The favourite core feature in broadwell-e can help a little with single threaded applications.

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15 minutes ago, DrMikeNZ said:

There are some situations where the 5930K and 6850K are needed over their reduced PCIe lane counterparts, but for most people it is best to go for either save some money and get a 6800K (or spend more and go for the 6900K).

 

The favourite core feature in broadwell-e can help a little with single threaded applications.

Actually no. There is almost never a reason, because PLX motherboards and a 5820k/6800k are cheaper than standard decent/mid-range x99 mobos and a 6850k/5930k (at least at market prices. Obviously a used 5930k/6850k would have substantially better value).

 


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23 minutes ago, Kardel81 said:

hi im pretty new at building and im curious which is better for gaming while using multiple virtual machine

is it 6850k or 5930k? 

 

thanks

For single thread performance a 5930k will beat the 6850k. However unless you plan on using more than 28 pcie lanes (which is hard to do unless you are doing 3 way sli) then you should stick with the 5820k or the 6800k. 


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7 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Actually no. There is never a reason, because PLX motherboards and a 5820k/6800k are cheaper than standard decent/mid-range x99 mobos and a 6850k/5930k (at least at market prices. Obviously a used 5930k/6850k would have substantially better value).

Not in all international markets. In some places PLX motherboards are extremely hard to souce and are be more expensive on their own than the 6850K processor.

Never say never.

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The 6850k can't really overclock that well (stated in the posts above), but with benefits of having more lanes some reviewers have said it is binned a little better then the 6800k so you can hit the same clocks but with a lower voltage = lower heat output and power consumption. But you never know, the silicon lottery can smack you in the butt.


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1 minute ago, DrMikeNZ said:

Not in all international markets. In some places PLX motherboards are extremely hard to souce and are be more expensive on their own than the 6850K processor.

Never say never.

fair enough. Almost never.


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7 minutes ago, Remixt said:

For single thread performance a 5930k will beat the 6850k. However unless you plan on using more than 28 pcie lanes (which is hard to do unless you are doing 3 way sli) then you should stick with the 5820k or the 6800k. 

That isn't accurate. The 6850k has notably better single threaded perf than the 5930k.

 

1 minute ago, YubinTheBunny said:

The 6850k can't really overclock that well (stated in the posts above), but with benefits of having more lanes some reviewers have said it is binned a little better then the 6800k so you can hit the same clocks but with a lower voltage = lower heat output and power consumption. But you never know, the silicon lottery can smack you in the butt.

The binning difference is marginal at best. Even throughout the lifetime of the Haswell-E series, no statistically relevant evidence of binning (with regards to chip voltages/overclocks) has been collected.


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2 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

That isn't accurate. The 6850k has notably better single threaded perf than the 5930k.

 

The binning difference is marginal at best. Even throughout the lifetime of the Haswell-E series, no statistically relevant evidence of binning (with regards to chip voltages/overclocks) has been collected.

only if you don't overclock. It's almost impossible to get a 6800k over 4.4 ghz while most 5930k's can hit 4.5


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only if you don't overclock. It's almost impossible to get a 6800k over 4.4 ghz while most 5930k's can hit 4.5

And at 4.2 GHz the 6850k has the same or better single core perf  (about 170-175 cinebench r15 score) than a 5930k at 4.5 (about 170 cinebench r15).

 

And that is assuming the 5930k is uncore oc'd and the 6850k is not.


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I went from a 5820k to a 6900k just recently and even at the small 4.2Ghz overclock the 6900k beats the 5820k hands down in single core performance.

Can't compare multicore fairly because the 6900k has 2 more core..lol

The 5930k isn't that much faster than the 5820k, you're paying for the extra PCIe lanes.

 

Don't be fooled by the smaller overclocks on Broadwell-e, even with those overclocks people are getting close if not equal to Haswell-E chips overclocked higher.

Though Broadwell-E cache doesn't overclock as high, but it doesn't seem to be affecting overclocking results.

 

Honestly I'd go with the Broadwell-E, if you already had the Haswell-E CPU I'd say stick with it, but as this is a new build go with the newer tech 

 

What motherboard were you looking at, personally I'd recommend the ROG x99 Strix, but there's always the big daddy RVE10...

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3 hours ago, Schoolofmonkey said:

I went from a 5820k to a 6900k just recently and even at the small 4.2Ghz overclock the 6900k beats the 5820k hands down in single core performance.

Can't compare multicore fairly because the 6900k has 2 more core..lol

The 5930k isn't that much faster than the 5820k, you're paying for the extra PCIe lanes.

 

Don't be fooled by the smaller overclocks on Broadwell-e, even with those overclocks people are getting close if not equal to Haswell-E chips overclocked higher.

Though Broadwell-E cache doesn't overclock as high, but it doesn't seem to be affecting overclocking results.

 

Honestly I'd go with the Broadwell-E, if you already had the Haswell-E CPU I'd say stick with it, but as this is a new build go with the newer tech 

 

What motherboard were you looking at, personally I'd recommend the ROG x99 Strix, but there's always the big daddy RVE10...

 

I can't say that my experience with Broadwell-E was the same.  I gave a 6800k and a 6950x a spin and when compared at max overclocks, my 5960x was consistently faster per core.  Obviously, clock for clock the BWE chips are fantastic, but I personally found the limitations of overclocking in BWE a bit more crippling than you did. 

 

Since then, I have closely monitored Broadwell-E posts (I recognize you from the big Broadwell-E thread on the other form) as I'm anxiously waiting to see if yields improve so I can jump back into the 6950x instead of waiting an entire year for Skylake X.  

 

Definitely not trying to start any beef with regards to BWE vs HWE.  I really want BWE to work out for my own sake and I still believe there's hope.

 

Do you mind sharing your overclocked Cinebench R15 single and multi core runs?  I only ask because not many of the 6 and 8 core BWE guys are posting Cinebench R15 scores, but I see a crapload of 6950x runs everywhere.  No kidding, right?  I think a comparison of our chips could prove valuable.  Like I said, I got to compare my chip to a 6800k and a 6950x, but I think a BWE 8 core to HWE 8 core would be more apples to apples.

 

One thing's for sure, if you plan to run your x99 platform at stock or mild overclocks, BWE is the way to go without question as it will outperform HWE in that way.  If you plan to push it hard with a high overclock, Haswell-E still gets high consideration.


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6 hours ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Actually no. There is almost never a reason, because PLX motherboards and a 5820k/6800k are cheaper than standard decent/mid-range x99 mobos and a 6850k/5930k (at least at market prices. Obviously a used 5930k/6850k would have substantially better value).

 

 

Don't forget about that extra bonus of latency that you get with PLX.  :D

 

Agreed, the 5830k / 6850k are unnecessary.  5820k / 6800k are the way to go or take the jump to 5960x / 6900k.  


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Nah no problems here, we can interpret things differently..lol

 

Here's my Cinebench Results, it also includes my 5820k results.

The 6900k is only at 4.2Ghz and cache 3.4Ghz, as soon as I get some custom water on it I'll try for higher.

 

Yeah that would be me on the "other forum", some of those guys go extreme and have same good insight to fine tuning systems.

 

I think as they update BIOS's on the Broadwell-e focused boards we may get higher, but early days yet.

 

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1 hour ago, Schoolofmonkey said:

Nah no problems here, we can interpret things differently..lol

 

Here's my Cinebench Results, it also includes my 5820k results.

The 6900k is only at 4.2Ghz and cache 3.4Ghz, as soon as I get some custom water on it I'll try for higher.

 

Yeah that would be me on the "other forum", some of those guys go extreme and have same good insight to fine tuning systems.

 

I think as they update BIOS's on the Broadwell-e focused boards we may get higher, but early days yet.

 

Cinebench 15

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Good to see that we can actually look at this without things getting blown out of context and thank you for sharing!  As I mentioned earlier, with the exception of the 6950x, you have to dig deep to find 6 and 8 core Cinebench scores in any forum.

 

In addition to your run at 4.2, I also managed to find another 6900k run from the other forum, which was done at 4.6 GHz.  I think most will concede that BWE at 4.6 would be considered above average for BWE.  I also believe that most would consider a 5960x at 4.8 above average for HWE.  I've attached my 4.8 GHz and 4.2 GHz HWE scores.  

 

Cache and memory were overclocked on my 4.8 run, but the 4.2 run was a simple CPU overclock with XMP set (3200 c14).  In the case of the 4.8 run, one could argue that my 4.7 cache gave my chip an advantage since Cinebench likes high cache and memory speeds, but I just consider that a perk of HWE.  After all BWE has an improved architecture, better IMC, and higher IPCs.

 

It's also worth noting that with the 6800k and 6950x that I had, the highest single core score I could get clocked at 4.6 (max overclock) was 198cb, which is 2cb above my 4.8 HWE run below.  I was trying to see if I could match overclocked Skylake single core performance with the BWE chips, but that wasn't happening.  

 

Without question, BWE is faster clock for clock, however I also believe that Haswell-E remains more than relevant especially when you start actually comparing work produced as a result of the overclocks.  

 

If you want max x99 power without overclocking, consider BWE over HWE all day long.

 

If you're looking to get the fastest performance you can with 8 or 6 cores, consider HWE more than competitive. 

 

 

5960x @ 4.81 / 1968cb (for comparison with the highest 6900k I could find)

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6900k @ 4.6 / 1932cb (from other forum and a nicely clocked BWE!)

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5960x @ 4.2 / 1720cb  (I went with the lower of the scores and disregard the 1873 as I think that was a previous 4.5 or 4.6 run)

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And then we need to factor in ram speeds, this also can lead to a better Cinebench score.

What I've notice is that with Broadwell-E it seems to handle higher frequency ram a lot better, but has a weaker memory controller needing a higher VCCSA voltage, but that allows for the higher frequency ram to keep the BCLK at 100Mhz instead of 125Mhz +.

 

My runs are done on a 32GB 2800Mhz C14 kit, so it's not going to yield the top scores.

 

Either way the main reason I went from my 5820k was because it was a shit overclocker, I couldn't get anything over 4.3Ghz out of it (not to mention the MSI Gaming 7 board I was using was utter crap), so I opted to go with 8 cores and a New Strix board.

I was looking around for a 5960x second hand but no one was selling any locally.

 

But I agree with the what you're saying, if you're not going out of major overclocking scores the Broadwell-E makes more sense, there's a few benefits to BW-E.

In the end though you really can't go wrong with either CPU for gaming or virtual machines, though VM's love ram but going 8 cores would benefit more than 6..lol

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And then we need to factor in ram speeds, this also can lead to a better Cinebench score.

What I've notice is that with Broadwell-E it seems to handle higher frequency ram a lot better, but has a weaker memory controller needing a higher VCCSA voltage, but that allows for the higher frequency ram to keep the BCLK at 100Mhz instead of 125Mhz +.

 

I definitely agree on Cinebench liking memory speed, which is why I mentioned my speed. 

 

I did like seeing my TridentZ 3200 running at 3400 with the 6950x, but I think you're right about the BWE memory controller as AIDA64 mem benches were slower despite the same timings at a higher speed.  Weird.  Makes you wonder how some guys are dialing in those 85+ GB/s read, write, and copies. 

 

10 minutes ago, Schoolofmonkey said:

My runs are done on a 32GB 2800Mhz C14 kit, so it's not going to yield the top scores.

 

Yeah that will definitely impact things.  The point I was actually trying to make was at max overclocks.  I only provided the 4.2 so nobody would assume that I was trying to compare a 5960x at 4.8 with a 6900k at 4.2.  Happens a lot on LTT.  Ha! 

 

15 minutes ago, Schoolofmonkey said:

But I agree with the what you're saying, if you're not going out of major overclocking scores the Broadwell-E makes more sense, there's a few benefits to BW-E.

In the end though you really can't go wrong with either CPU for gaming or virtual machines, though VM's love ram but going 8 cores would benefit more than 6..lol

 

I'm looking forward to hearing about the outcome of your upcoming water upgrade!  Hopefully that 6900k of yours will fly once it gets cooled well enough. 

 

Good luck. 


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9 hours ago, done12many2 said:

 

Don't forget about that extra bonus of latency that you get with PLX.  :D

 

Agreed, the 5830k / 6850k are unnecessary.  5820k / 6800k are the way to go or take the jump to 5960x / 6900k.  

 

Well in certain scenario´s the 6 cores with more pci-e lanes can be a benefit to have.

In this case OP wants to run multiple VM´s, and depending on what is host OS will be, and what kind of workloads he wants to do within the VM´s.

it might be a benefit to have additional lanes availeble for pci-e pass trough from graphics cards for example.

 

Tobad that there is just such a large price gab between the 6850K and 6900K.

 

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