Titan XP price might be justified

[App4that]

Everyone attacked the Titan XP pricing but early benchmarks seem to point to it being a bargain.

 

http://videocardz.com/62723/first-synthetic-benchmarks-of-geforce-gtx-titan-x-pascal-hit-the-web

[Ichi]

The Maxwell Titan X was a mistake to begin with.

[Misanthrope]

That assumes no 1080ti will come out. Which it might not but it is likely it will eventually come out.

[DildorTheDecent]

7 minutes ago, App4that said:

Everyone attacked the Titan XP pricing but early benchmarks seem to point to it being a bargain.

 

http://videocardz.com/62723/first-synthetic-benchmarks-of-geforce-gtx-titan-x-pascal-hit-the-web

You're obviously forgotten that this is LTT. 

 

You're not allowed to like a $1000+ GPU you silly sausage. How dare you call it a bargain

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

That assumes no 1080ti will come out. Which it might not but it is likely it will eventually come out.

So you didn't read the article? Read the article before posting again please.

[Misanthrope]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

So you didn't read the article? Read the article before posting again please.

Without ECC or double precision it wouldn't be a bargain vs a 1080ti even for those kinds of applications (if you don't need those features for workstation work, the 1080ti would perform as good. If you do then you need to spend a lot more on a quadro anyway) There's no reason for the Titan cards to exist without them being an in between gaming and workstation card and ever since they dropped double precision and ECC they're just not special at all vs a 1080ti

[DocSwag]

Thing is, except for professional applications 1080 sli will still be better than it...

[crysilis]

19 minutes ago, App4that said:

Everyone attacked the Titan XP pricing but early benchmarks seem to point to it being a bargain.

 

http://videocardz.com/62723/first-synthetic-benchmarks-of-geforce-gtx-titan-x-pascal-hit-the-web

this fucking title though

Buying a fucking $1000+ gpu is never justified

unless your doing vr porn

[App4that]

20 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Thing is, except for professional applications 1080 sli will still be better than it...

It costs more, and only performs better in games that support SLI. 

 

26 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Without ECC or double precision it wouldn't be a bargain vs a 1080ti even for those kinds of applications (if you don't need those features for workstation work, the 1080ti would perform as good. If you do then you need to spend a lot more on a quadro anyway) There's no reason for the Titan cards to exist without them being an in between gaming and workstation card and ever since they dropped double precision and ECC they're just not special at all vs a 1080ti

I will ask you the same question I ask everyone trying to push your argument. 

 

Show own me a card that performs the same as a Titan XP for less.and I'll buy it. If not, then stop.

[Misanthrope]

5 minutes ago, App4that said:

Show own me a card that performs the same as a Titan XP for less.and I'll buy it. If not, then stop.

Already did: 1080ti will most likely follow just a few months after the Titan Pee. You'd have to be an idiot not to know that's been the case ever since the Titan was ever released.

[Renton577]

So I don't think any of the Titans after the original, Z, and Black were really justified (Z wasn't really every to begin with) but after the first gen they lost anything that really made them for business applications except for the VRAM, They lost like all their FP64 performance and were just glorified Geforce cards. I mean with the Titan XP I guess you can make an argument for the "44 TOPS" that Nvidia says is an instruction set for deep learning, but even with that does it really justify the price over a 1080?

[App4that]

2 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Already did: 1080ti will most likely follow just a few months after the Titan Pee. You'd have to be an idiot not to know that's been the case ever since the Titan was ever released.

Last time.

 

Post a card avalible now. Not pipe dreams. And a Titan X beats a 980ti, something you miss. A 980ti is cheaper but does not perform as well. So read the question next time.

[Renton577]

9 minutes ago, App4that said:

Show own me a card that performs the same as a Titan XP for less.and I'll buy it. If not, then stop.

Its not the fact that its performance king, there really is no disputing that. What makes it an issue though is the price difference for the performance gain and it not being worth it, especially when the 1080ti comes out.

[App4that]

4 minutes ago, Renton577 said:

So I don't think any of the Titans after the original, Z, and Black were really justified (Z wasn't really every to begin with) but after the first gen they lost anything that really made them for business applications except for the VRAM, They lost like all their FP64 performance and were just glorified Geforce cards. I mean with the Titan XP I guess you can make an argument for the "44 TOPS" that Nvidia says is an instruction set for deep learning, but even with that does it really justify the price over a 1080?

It does if you need the performance, the Titan XP isn't mean for purely gaming. Why most people miss the point.

[App4that]

Just now, Renton577 said:

Its not the fact that its performance king, there really is no disputing that. What makes it an issue though is the price difference for the performance gain and it not being worth it, especially when the 1080ti comes out.

That's subjective

[Misanthrope]

7 minutes ago, App4that said:

Last time.

 

Post a card avalible now. 

Titan Pee available right now? News to me.

 

/discussion

[App4that]

Just now, Misanthrope said:

Titan Pee available right now? News to me.

 

/discussion

Yes LOL, it is. August 2nd

[Misanthrope]

So we'll revisit in 2 days at which point I will continue to say "We are almost certain the 1080ti will eventually come out don't be a stupid purchase today"

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

So we'll revisit in 2 days at which point I will continue to say "We are almost certain the 1080ti will eventually come out don't be a stupid purchase today"

No, you'll keep spreading pipe dreams. You keep dreaming sport. I'll take delivery of my Titan Pee  

[othertomperson]

Everyone even mentioning a 1080ti... stop. The Titan X (the new one) is a cut down GPU. If there is such a card as the 1080 ti, don't expect it to be a further cut down GP102.

 

I'm not expecting it at all unless AMD absolutely dazzles with Vega.

[App4that]

Just now, othertomperson said:

Everyone even mentioning a 1080ti... stop. The Titan X (the new one) is a cut down GPU. If there is such a card as the 1080 ti, don't expect it to be a further cut down GP102.

I actually think we'll see a larger more expensive Titan after Vega launches that includes HBM2. Nvidia has been very clear that the Titan is no longer a GTX, but a new line of graphics card.

[Renton577]

Just now, App4that said:

It does if you need the performance, the Titan XP isn't mean for purely gaming. Why most people miss the point.

Most people say its just for gaming after the original Titan line because they lost most of the functionality that made them a business card. Also let me do a little math from raw performance in FP32, Titan XP costs $1,199.99, GTX 1080 Founders costs $699.99 placing the price difference at about 42% where as the GTX 1080 has around 8Tflops of compute performance, the Titan XP having 10Tflops, that's about a 20% difference in raw performance. So the performance does not justify the price.

[App4that]

Just now, Renton577 said:

Most people say its just for gaming after the original Titan line because they lost most of the functionality that made them a business card. Also let me do a little math from raw performance in FP32, Titan XP costs $1,199.99, GTX 1080 Founders costs $699.99 placing the price difference at about 42% where as the GTX 1080 has around 8Tflops of compute performance, the Titan XP having 10Tflops, that's about a 20% difference in raw performance. So the performance does not justify the price.

Not about price though, the Titan XP competes with Quattros that cost 4000us. So from my perspective which is less, 4000us or 1200us? And its 44Tflops of half precision that the Titan XP has that's lacking on the 1080 that you miss. Because you're looking at it as a gaming card. Wrong discussion mate.

[othertomperson]

4 minutes ago, App4that said:

I actually think we'll see a larger more expensive Titan after Vega launches that includes HBM2. Nvidia has been very clear that the Titan is no longer a GTX, but a new line of graphics card.

I don't know. HBM is so different from GDDR5(X) I don't see how it could be anything but an entirely different GPU, with a very different architecture. I can't see them releasing anything high end voluntarily until Volta, which is rumoured to be late next year.

 

What I can see them doing is releasing the full GP102 with 3840 CUDA cores as the 1080 Ti in the event of AMD making something monstrous with Vega. Which is what they did with the original Titan, which they released as the full 780 Ti after the 290X was released. If AMD can't at least match the Titan XP, though, they're not going to bother.

[App4that]

Just now, othertomperson said:

I don't know. HBM is so different from GDDR5(X) I don't see how it could be anything but an entirely different GPU, with a very different architecture. I can't see them releasing anything high end voluntarily until Volta, which is rumoured to be late next year.

 

What I can see them doing is releasing the full GP102 with 3840 CUDA cores as the 1080 Ti in the event of AMD making something monstrous with Vega. Which is what they did with the original Titan, which they released as the full 780 Ti after the 290X was released.

Maybe, but that would go contrary to the Titan being a new line of graphics card. Not saying they wouldn't, but it would be odd for Nvidia to say they were changing things, then not. They have stuck to the FE change after all. Especially since the cores cut are all 64bit. Why would a GTX need 64bit cores?