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24 minutes ago, MageTank said:

They wouldn't need two PLX chips. The chip they used on the Radeon Pro Duo is already a 48 lane chip, which would be plenty enough for something like this card. Such a PLX chip can easily be reworked to provide ample lanes for the GPU and two SSDs. Remember, its 16 in, 16 out, 16 mirror. M.2 SSD's that run off of PCIE x4 are 32Gbps. Plenty of extra lanes to handle that off of a single PEX8747 chip. 

 

Technically, if they used an on-die controller, they could bypass the 100ns PEX8747 switch latency (peak) as the card could address the slots directly. This would make it the single most complicated GPU in history, lol. 

well they would need to adress such latency i bet. Because if not, it would be putting into question how much there would be to gain vs another PCIe AIB/M.2 NVMe device.

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That's some memory though being SSD still quite interesting.
...All them texture mods for this :3
Either way, I'd like to see it in works, video rendering or simply review.

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Honestly, once hbm2 and it's massive capacities roll out this product is probably dead in the water. I'd like to see a test that compares this card vs having a card go to system ram instead as it usually would. If 3DxPoint m.2 drives come out it might be a little better but i still think it's a stupid idea, especially if they put this on future cards that get hotter than tiny little polaris 10.

Edit: Oh it's been confirmed that applications will need to be built using some AMD api specifically for this to work. Makes complete sense and yet that's a huge downside for it.

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5 minutes ago, Swatson said:

Honestly, once hbm2 and it's massive capacities roll out this product is probably dead in the water. I'd like to see a test that compares this card vs having a card go to system ram instead as it usually would. If 3DxPoint m.2 drives come out it might be a little better but i still think it's a stupid idea, especially if they put this on future cards that get hotter than tiny little polaris 10.

Edit: Oh it's been confirmed that applications will need to be built using some AMD api specifically for this to work. Makes complete sense and yet that's a huge downside for it.

I seriously doubt that. We already have 32GB VRAM models. Just doubling it is not enough when you can add a full Terabyte of additional storage. The projects that these cards can use, are probably far beyond 100GB. No matter how much VRAM you add, this tech will be useful until Ram and NAND fuse into the same unit. Even then it might still be useful from a price perspective.

 

True, but it could also be a huge plus to work directly with the future customers, so the solution gets designed in a way that is the most useful for their market.

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4 minutes ago, Notional said:

I seriously doubt that. We already have 32GB VRAM models. Just doubling it is not enough when you can add a full Terabyte of additional storage. The projects that these cards can use, are probably far beyond 100GB. No matter how much VRAM you add, this tech will be useful until Ram and NAND fuse into the same unit. Even then it might still be useful from a price perspective.

 

True, but it could also be a huge plus to work directly with the future customers, so the solution gets designed in a way that is the most useful for their market.

HBM will continue to advance in speed and capacity just like gddr did. Besides whats the point of 1TB of local gpu storage when it's assdragging slow compared to vram. You want to load all that shit quickly, I mean that's literally what they are "trying" to accomplish here. I just think they're trying the wrong way, at least until 3dxpoint like I said.

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15 minutes ago, Swatson said:

HBM will continue to advance in speed and capacity just like gddr did. Besides whats the point of 1TB of local gpu storage when it's assdragging slow compared to vram. You want to load all that shit quickly, I mean that's literally what they are "trying" to accomplish here. I just think they're trying the wrong way, at least until 3dxpoint like I said.

Because it's an addition to VRAM, not a replacement. These onboard SSD's will always be much faster than system storage, as it bypasses the CPU, sysram, and whatever interface+ controllers the storage is connected to, as well as never filling up the PCI lanes in the system.

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18 hours ago, zMeul said:

quote, source Anand as I posted in the OP:

 

scrubbing or rendering, it makes no fucking difference as the source is the same

 

one is doing it at 846MB/s and the other is doing it at 4590MB/s - the 2nd one is not possible to achieve without 2 NVMe SSDs in RAID0

so, why didn't they used 2 NVMe SSDs in RAID0 in the 1st setup?

 

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and here's why their solution is bullshit

a 16x PCIe gen 3 connection has 15,754 GB/s per direction bandwidth - thus, 1x is 984,6 MB/s

and AMD's demonstration uses 4590 MB/s - that's slightly more than a 4x gen 3 PCIe in one direction (3,938GB/s) - totally doable if we'd have SSDs that fast, as PCIe NVMe storage uses 4x PCIe connection

 

so yes, AMD lied and misrepresented their product once more

 

My god this amd release has pissed you off more than anything this year!

 

 

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an update on this: https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Introduces-Radeon-Pro-SSG-Professional-GPU-Paired-Low-Latency-Flash-Storage-

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UPDATE (July 27th, 1am ET):  More information on the Radeon Pro SSG has surfaced since the original article. According to AnandTech, the prototype graphics card actually uses an AMD Fiji GPU. The Fiji GPU is paired onboard PCI-E based storage using the same PEX8747 bridge chip used in the Radeon Pro Duo. Storage is handled by two PCI-E 3.0 x4 M.2 slots that can accommodate up to 1TB of NAND flash storage. As I mentioned below, having the storage on board the graphics card vastly reduces latency by reducing the number of hops and not having to send requests out to the rest of the system. AMD had more numbers to share following their demo, however.

 

From the 8K video editing demo, the dual Samsung 950 Pro PCI-E SSDs (in RAID 0) on board the Radeon Pro SSG hit 4GB/s while scrubbing through the video. That same video source stored on a Samsung 950 Pro attached to the motherboard had throughput of only 900MB/s. In theory, reaching out to system RAM still has raw throughput advantages (with DDR4 @ 3200 MHz  on a Haswell-E platform theroretically capable of 62 GB/s reads and 47 GB/s writes though that would be bottlenecked by the graphics card having to go over the PCI-E 3.0 x16 link and it's maximum of 15.754 GB/s.). Of course if you can hold it in (much smaller) GDDR5 (300+GB/s depending on clocks and memory bus width) or HBM (1TB/s) and not have to go out to any other storage tier that's ideal but not always feasible especially in the HPC world.

 

 

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On ‎7‎/‎26‎/‎2016 at 5:05 AM, thekeemo said:

Why not normal ram? or laptop ram.

Not enough for some use cases. Sometimes professionals run out of 32GB VRAM (don't ask me how) and so they're using the SSD storage for when it runs out so it can have better performance.

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42 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

But why is it blue?

To differentiate it so that people aren't more confused with it's branding.

 

Radeon = Gaming.

Fire Pro = Professional.

 

Radeon Pro = Somewhere in between Radeon and Fire Pro.

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2 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Not enough for some use cases. Sometimes professionals run out of 32GB VRAM (don't ask me how) and so they're using the SSD storage for when it runs out so it can have better performance.

16gb sticks*4?

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16 minutes ago, thekeemo said:

16gb sticks*4?

Too expensive and would be not large enough nor fast enough.

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6 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Too expensive and would be not large enough nor fast enough.

We are talking about a $10000 GPU here and $1000 in ssds.

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7 minutes ago, thekeemo said:

We are talking about a $10000 GPU here and $1000 in ssds.

A $10000 prototype product. Not a commercial product.

It should still resemble the final product somewhat in the config. 

Please avoid feeding the argumentative narcissistic academic monkey.

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People are kinda missing the point of using an onboard SSD over RAM or an external (to the card) drive. It is about the quantity of the memory available over the raw speed of the storage. There are rendering applications which can require up to 64GB of memory PER FRAME. At that point the limitation of the amount of memory can create such a bottleneck that it becomes more beneficial to have more memory which is slower than having a lower quantity of much faster memory.

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paging @LinusTech their rendering server could utilise these babies.

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Kierax said:

paging @LinusTech their rendering server could utilise these babies.

 

 

Can you imagine?  people at LMG actually using amd cards?

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7 hours ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

But why is it blue?

 

Because Raja really, really, REALLY likes the color blue.

 

 

He's owned 5 cars in his life so far, all blue, named one of his kids blue in sanscrit... he REALLY likes blue!

 

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1 hour ago, Sammael said:

Can you imagine?  people at LMG actually using amd cards?

@LinusTech DO ITTTTTTT

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3 minutes ago, Kierax said:

@LinusTech DO ITTTTTTT

I'd hate to disappoint you but Linus doesn't view individual notifications or when anybody mentions him.

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1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

I'd hate to disappoint you but Linus doesn't view individual notifications or when anybody mentions him.

 

Printscreen and send to his LMG contact email? yes I can be persistent. 

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