Can't decide on gpu for 1440p upgrades

[Prokart2000]

1 minute ago, Pohernori said:

 

Whoa whoa whoa, gotta control yourself there. Your inner fanboy is showing 

 

 

The GTX 1060 won't fail in DX12 games. But it may not get as big of a boost as compared to the Rx 480 as what we've currently seen. 

The notion of "nvidia for games now, AMD for future games" is still pretty relevant. 

But not getting as big of a boost does not mean the 1060 will some how magically perform worse. 

 

Does that mean that the 480 will overtake the 1060?

[HKZeroFive]

5 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

that's exactly what i meant to say...it WILL change that's a given AMD is broke as fuck...nvidia has money to trow at game developpers and they've been doing so for over 10 years now and they will keep doing it.

So sponsoring more titles to give a biased advantage for NVIDIA? You're saying that as if that's a good thing. 

[Morgan MLGman]

9 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

i disagree...async compute help AMD because the GPU architecture they have is susceptible to have a lot of ''bubbles'' in the pipeline most reviewers mentionned that already all that does is bring them on par with nvidia and actually just make them where they ''should'' have been from the get go.

 

And YES there will be many nvidia sponsored/optimised DX12 titles coming in the future that's a given, nvidia has always pushed hard to help the gaming industry move forward they provide tools for developpers to implement in the games and they will keep doing so in the future...if you think the bulk of the DX12 games will be sponsored/optimized for AMD hardware they you're very delusional.

Yup, Async helps AMD cards, regardless of that Nvidia cards should not lose FPS when going into DX12, if async hurts them, it should be disabled.

 

As I said two posts ago, Nvidia has more partners in game-developers and their cards tend (doesn't mean they always do, looking at Shadow of Mordor or FarCry4) to perform better in those games. It probably won't change, but despite all that, R9 300 series was still very competitive to the 900 series beating it at some price points, with AMD actually grabbing some (marginally, but still) of the marketshare from Nvidia during those times.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, HKZeroFive said:

So sponsoring more titles to give a biased advantage for NVIDIA? You're saying as if that's a good thing. 

well..then stop rooting for AMD and select the cards that sell and for which MORE games are optimized for. end of the story.

if you like a card that perform better in 2% of the games...that's fine...i don't.

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, Prokart2000 said:

Does that mean that the 480 will overtake the 1060?

Doubt it. It might make the gap smaller, might beat it in a few DX12/Vulkan games, but the 1060 should still be faster. Lack of SLI support is what hurts me with the 1060. It's 980-like in performance, and Nvidia claiming that those cards are too low-end to SLI is plain stupid, as MANY, MANY people SLI'd 970s and 980s.

[Morgan MLGman]

4 minutes ago, Prokart2000 said:

Does that mean that the 480 will overtake the 1060?

I re-did your build so it should be a little better:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£269.95 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: SilentiumPC SPC130 78.6 CFM CPU Cooler  (£28.90 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper B7 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£70.33 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£62.77 @ BT Shop)
Storage: A-Data Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£52.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£46.74 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£58.30 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £589.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-26 15:26 BST+0100

 

Throw in the R9 Fury from the deal you got and you're golden for a couple of years.

[Prokart2000]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Doubt it. It might make the gap smaller, might beat it in a few DX12/Vulkan games, but the 1060 should still be faster. Lack of SLI support is what hurts me with the 1060. It's 980-like in performance, and Nvidia claiming that those cards are too low-end to SLI is plain stupid, as MANY, MANY people SLI'd 970s and 980s.

Not sure if i should get the 480 and crossfire down the road

[Prokart2000]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

I re-did your build so it should be a little better:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  (£269.95 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: SilentiumPC SPC130 78.6 CFM CPU Cooler  (£28.90 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper B7 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£70.33 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£62.77 @ BT Shop)
Storage: A-Data Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£52.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  (£46.74 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£58.30 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £589.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-26 15:26 BST+0100

 

Throw in the R9 Fury from the deal you got and you're golden for a couple of years.

I dont need the cpu cooler or psi, (got a nh-u12s and 850w antec), 

I have a hdd too

budget for upgrades excluding them is £800

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, Prokart2000 said:

Not sure if i should get the 480 and crossfire down the road

How much are those cards in your area?:
R9 Fury

R9 390X

RX 480

GTX 1060

GTX 980Ti (used)

 

Just now, Prokart2000 said:

I dont need the cpu cooler or psi, (got a nh-u12s and 850w antec), 

Alright, then substract those and grab the rest.

[i_build_nanosuits]

5 minutes ago, Prokart2000 said:

Does that mean that the 480 will overtake the 1060?

my true honest opinion on that?

it will be the same as it is for DX11 games...it will in a FEW games, but in a LOT MORE games it won't.

The GTX 1060 is a faster part to begin with, DX12 will bring the RX480 to it's level in a few titles...

Also keep in mind, it will still take at least a couple years before the bulk of the new games out there will be DX12.

Devs don't want to let go DX11 because DX12 lock them to windows 10 user only...and also looking at how long it took for DX11 to be widely used (we are still making DX9 games at this point as well)

So, by the time most titles are DX12 based, you will be ready for a GPU upgrade anyways...and like i said, nvidia will have a shit ton of DX12 optimized titles that say ''nvidia the way it's mean't to be played'' on the splash screen and guess what will happen with those games?

[i_build_nanosuits]

3 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Throw in the R9 Fury from the deal you got and you're golden for a couple of years.

oh yeah defenetly... a 4GB graphics card for 1440p for a few years with low texture settings.

[HKZeroFive]

8 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

well..then stop rooting for AMD and select the cards that sell and for which MORE games are optimized for. end of the story.

 

if you like a card that perform better in 2% of the games...that's fine...i don't.

I just recommended the GTX 1060 over the RX 480 so... I like to look at things objectively. Not with bias.

 

As far as I'm aware, AMD has a pretty healthy relationship with future DX12 games - Deus Ex and Civilisation VI to name a couple. I'm betting Battlefield 1 as well since DICE and AMD are basically best buds at this point. Hardly '2%'.

[Prokart2000]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

How much are those cards in your area?:
R9 Fury

R9 390X

RX 480

GTX 1060

GTX 980Ti (used)

 

R9 Fury £300 (on offer)

R9 390X 

RX 480 £250

GTX 1060 £240 (evga non-sc)

GTX 980Ti (used) 4months old £300

[Morgan MLGman]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

oh yeah defenetly... a 4GB graphics card for 1440p for a few years with low texture settings.

So a GTX 980 would be better? Most definitely not. HBM works a little different and it's not nearly as bad as being limited to 4GB of GDDR5 apparently. Frametimes might be an issue though if you're sensitive to that kind of thing

[Prokart2000]

3 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

my true honest opinion on that?

it will be the same as it is for DX11 games...it will in a FEW games, but in a LOT MORE games it won't.

The GTX 1060 is a faster part to begin with, DX12 will bring the RX480 to it's level in a few titles...

Also keep in mind, it will still take at least a couple years before the bulk of the new games out there will be DX12.

Devs don't want to let go DX11 because DX12 lock them to windows 10 user only...and also looking at how long it took for DX11 to be widely used (we are still making DX9 games at this point as well)

So, by the time most titles are DX12 based, you will be ready for a GPU upgrade anyways...and like i said, nvidia will have a shit ton of DX12 optimized titles that say ''nvidia the way it's mean't to be played'' on the splash screen and guess what will happen with those games?

ok, i suppose they will adapt to the new api

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, HKZeroFive said:

I just recommended the GTX 1060 over the RX 480 so...

 

As far as I'm aware, AMD has a pretty healthy relationship with future DX12 games - Deus Ex and Civilisation VI to name a couple. I'm betting Battlefield 1 as well since DICE and AMD are basically best buds at this point. Hardly '2%'.

yeah but then what?

the RX 480 will be on par with the 1060 in those few games?

the FuryX will match a 980ti/1070...

good for them...what about ALL the other games that run noticeably better on nvidia hardware then?

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

So a GTX 980 would be better?

NO!! but a GTX 1060 IS.

[ivan134]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

NO!! but a GTX 1060 IS.

Wow, this is a new level of fanboy. I wouldn't even take the 1060 over a 390x.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

Just now, Prokart2000 said:

Does that mean that the 480 will overtake the 1060?

 

Might or might not. Not enough DX12/New games to see yet. But the Rx 480 being AMD won't have as big of a performance drop as the 1060 in newer games. Like how AMD cards have been. 

 

I will stress that this is based on the trend with AMD and nvidia cards currently. Things can still change.  

 

2 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

well..then stop rooting for AMD and select the cards that sell and for which MORE games are optimized for. end of the story.

if you like a card that perform better in 2% of the games...that's fine...i don't.

 

How about you stop this and actually see which cards are actually the better ones. 

 

You preach nvidia as if they were a god with all the "Superior software", "Stutter free experience". Complete and utter lies. I've already seen first hand what a mess nvidia drivers are and the "superior gaming experience" that is basically non existent. 

 

Please make use of your position here. You're already at 15K post, not 1.5K. 

[Prokart2000]

Well i seem to have started a flame war...

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, Prokart2000 said:

ok, i suppose they will adapt to the new api

they already did...so far i've played rise of the tomb raider, forza apex, killer instinct and even the new 3d mark timepsy benchmark and i can tell you that nvidia rocks with DX12...the performance is amazing...Async compute or not, it simply work amazing.

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, i_build_nanosuits said:

NO!! but a GTX 1060 IS.

VRAM-wise, maybe, but that's about it. Besides, 980Ti had 6GB of GDDR5, Fury X had 4GB of HBM and there was no difference between those when loading high textures at 4K, what's more Fury X was closer to the 980Ti than on lower resolutions than 4K.

 

Besides, for 1440p a 390X might be a better choice. Even more VRAM and a significantly more powerful chip. Though it's hotter and draws significantly more power.

 

But that it precisely why I asked OP about the prices, we need to know price/performance ratio for him to determine the best GPU choice. Used 980Ti would solve his problems imo.

[ivan134]

2 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

they already did...so far i've played rise of the tomb raider, forza apex, killer instinct and even the new 3d mark timepsy benchmark and i can tell you that nvidia rocks with DX12...the performance is amazing...Async compute or not, it simply work amazing.

480 is faster than a 1060 in Forza Apex and fighting games are all locked to 60 fps.

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, Pohernori said:

How about you stop this and actually see which cards are actually the better ones. 

 

You preach nvidia as if they were a god with all the "Superior software", "Stutter free experience". Complete and utter lies. I've already seen first hand what a mess nvidia drivers are and the "superior gaming experience" that is basically non existent. 

 

Please make use of your position here. You're already at 15K post, not 1.5K. 

probably because my experience with nvidia for the past 4 years or so has been flawless..we've discussed this already and you've shown your control panel crashing and stuff...i think you just need to format your machine and re-install some shit cause it ain't happeing on mine...never has. I do get a flawless stutterfree and crashfree experience on my machines since using nvidia hardware...and i do get driver updates with each and every new games that launch and they do perfom admirably on day 1 at 100%...so what else could i say? and i'm not the only one.

[Prokart2000]

Out of these then to stop the arguing

 

1060 (Ranging from £240 to £325 "strix oc" for 325)

 

rx480 (£250-£280)

 

r9fury (£300)

 

I would preferably buy new being honest