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DDR4 3200MHz CL14 vs CL16 any performance difference ?

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Is there any noticeable difference between CL14 and CL16 DDR4 RAM running on 3200MHz ?

 

For example : 

Corsair Dominator 2x8GB 3200MHz CL16 vs G.Skill Trident Z 2x8GB 3200MHz CL14

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Ok, I'm asking because seeing those timings like for Corsair: 16-18-18-36 and for G.Skill: 14-14-14-34 clearly means that G.Skill ones are faster but in what real world use scenario? Gaming? 3D modelling? 

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Sure, everything will benefit from faster RAM but what are the differences we are talking about? And, of course I would like to thank those first two responders to this topic but I need to say that some elaboration is needed :)

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Just now, Tic-Tac said:

Sure, everything will benefit from faster RAM but what are the differences we are talking about? 

 

They are measurable differences.  Noticeable is subjective so why chase the rabbit?

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There are game benchmarks between 2133MHz DDR4 ram and 3XXX MHz sticks with various CL and that in most cases doesn't change anything or the changes are minimal.

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Yeah, but those two are running on 3200MHz but with different timings.

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go for the bundle with lower CL but at this clock speed you wont feel any difference in real world scenarios

some tests prove that there is like a few fps difference in games between big CL changes and different clocks

14 or 16 is like ... would you like the ferrari in dragonred or bloodred

 

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Dominators are 5€ more expensive than Trident Z's but way better looking imo BUT if they perform worse, f that, I will go for Trident Z's :)

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15 hours ago, AlexTheRose said:

Your iGPU and any RAM disks you happen to create will benefit tremendously from faster RAM.

iGPU, nothing faster than 2666.

Ramdisks, YES faster the better.

 

 

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19 hours ago, Tic-Tac said:

Dominators are 5€ more expensive than Trident Z's but way better looking imo BUT if they perform worse, f that, I will go for Trident Z's :)

The tridents are based on the best DDR4 IC made, and the dominators use a worse ic which is no-where near as good. So you get much better value from the g.skills. :) 

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20 hours ago, Tic-Tac said:

Ok, I'm asking because seeing those timings like for Corsair: 16-18-18-36 and for G.Skill: 14-14-14-34 clearly means that G.Skill ones are faster but in what real world use scenario? Gaming? 3D modelling? 

 

In CPU intensive scenarios you'll see a very small boost. 

TridentZ 8GB sticks currently use the very best memory chips on the market right now, Samsung B-die.  "If" you ever decide to overclock them, they overclock better than any of the other DDR4 memory chips right now on the market.

 

My 3600 mhz 16-16-16-36 kit uses the same chips:

 

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12 hours ago, harrynowl said:

The tridents are based on the best DDR4 IC made, and the dominators use a worse ic which is no-where near as good. So you get much better value from the g.skills. :) 

Okay, so what about difference among the Tridentz'. On the 3200 I can choose CL 14,15 or 16. Would you save the $30 on the 32gb and get the CL 15 vs the 14? The 14s have been sold out for almost a month! High demand / low supply.

 

Thanks!

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14 minutes ago, mhamrin said:

Okay, so what about difference among the Tridentz'. On the 3200 I can choose CL 14,15 or 16. Would you save the $30 on the 32gb and get the CL 15 vs the 14? The 14s have been sold out for almost a month! High demand / low supply.

 

Thanks!

CL15 will do the trick, still better than corsair.

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CL15 will do the trick, still better than corsair.

The 14s are supposed to be in next week. I don't want to settle. If for some reason they're not in I may do the 15s. I just want the "cream" of the lot.

 

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2 minutes ago, mhamrin said:

The 14s are supposed to be in next week. I don't want to settle. If for some reason they're not in I may do the 15s. I just want the "cream" of the lot.

 

Thanks!

Good call :) 

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DDR4 at 3000Mhz, with timings of 15-15-15-36 beat his DDR4 at 3333Mhz. Timings are also important and tighter timings in my opinion is more important than higher frequency. Higher frequency tends to help virtualization so keep an eye out for that. Go for Highest frequency + Lowest timings + Least difference between timings.

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16 minutes ago, Damocles said:

Timings are also important and tighter timings in my opinion is more important than higher frequency.

 

This is dependent on platform.  I'm also not sure if Crystal Disk is the best way to compare RAM performance. 

 

20 minutes ago, Damocles said:

Go for Highest frequency + Lowest timings + Least difference between timings.

 

Agreed. 

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Are you running a Haswell E,  Broadwell E,  or Skylake CPU? 

 

Haswell-3000 C12 ideal

Broadwell-3400 C14 ideal

Skylake-3866 C16 ideal

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17 hours ago, arnavvr said:

Are you running a Haswell E,  Broadwell E,  or Skylake CPU? 

 

Haswell-3000 C12 ideal

Broadwell-3400 C14 ideal

Skylake-3866 C16 ideal

Where do you even get any of these? NEgg has the 3000 c12...extremely expensive per Gb. Thats all I was able to find. Also, Harrynowl also stated the 8gb sticks are best.

 

How did you come up with these parings? Just wondering. Thx.

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15 minutes ago, mhamrin said:

Where do you even get any of these? NEgg has the 3000 c12...extremely expensive per Gb. Thats all I was able to find. Also, Harrynowl also stated the 8gb sticks are best.

 

How did you come up with these parings? Just wondering. Thx.

It's all about what the IMC can handle.  For cheaper RAM,  could you find 3000 C14? 

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18 minutes ago, arnavvr said:

It's all about what the IMC can handle.  For cheaper RAM,  could you find 3000 C14? 

I'm going with 32gb but I need quad channel. Couldn't find anything. I've been waiting for the 3200 c14 to get back in stock. I've got the 5820k ...so Haswell-e

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