AMD Zen CPUs will have PGA mounting systems

[kameshss]

At Computex 2016, AMD showcased their Zen CPUs, people were unable to capture the backside of the CPUs to find out whether it'll have the Pins or not.

 

Jagareview (Indonesian Tech website) released the pictures of rear side of CPU. Surprisingly it'll continue to have the traditional PGA sockets. That means it'll continue to have pins on it's back. Not really a big deal. I mean we're not gonna look at those CPUs everyday.

 

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AMD's "Summit Ridge" CPUs will come with up to 8 cores and 16 threads and provide 40% more instructions per clock than AMD's previous CPU architectures, meaning that this CPU will be offering significantly higher performance than AMD's current CPU lineup, potentially making them competitive with Intel again in the high-end consumer market. 

The CPU will be coming to the AM4 platform, which will support DDR4 memory, allowing AMD's Zen CPUs to use faster memory with lower power consumption than AMD's current CPUs. 

AMD's Summit Ridge CPUs will be built on the same 14nm process as their Polaris GPUs, allowing AMD to create some ultra efficient APUs in 2017, with the company also targeting the high-end server market with Zen based CPUs with larger CPU core counts.

Zen will be arriving on the desktop first, giving us consumers the chance to try Zen for ourselves later this year. While the release dates for Zen and the AM4 platform remains unknown, AMD's CEO Lisa Su has confirmed that Zen will be sampling to partners within the next few weeks and will be sampled widely in early Q3.

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Source: OC3D, JagaReview.

[cayphed]

I really wish they'd move on with the times...

[iiNNeX]

2 minutes ago, cayphed said:

I really wish they'd move on with the times...

Me too. We need competition, it's good for the consumer. Currently without any sort of competition from AMD, Intel's prices are through the roof.

 

6950x $1700!!!

[HKZeroFive]

Not an entirely big deal to be honest...

 

PGA makes motherboards cheaper to manufacture and pins are easier to bend back.

[Dabombinable]

Still, they aren't actually specifying what Zen is 40% faster at-because it won't be 40% faster at everything.

[TrigrH]

i wouldn't be surprised if its not even a zen chip, not very hard to change a heat-spreader.

[cayphed]

It would be better if the had a set up similar to the LGA, as there would be greater pin density which would in turn open the door to great possibilities...

[mariushm]

This was well known already.  Nothing bad with having pins on the cpu, it's actually better this way for less experienced users.

 

Bent pins can be straightened out, contacts on an Intel socket are much harder to repair due to their elasticity.  The Intel sockets can also be broken more easily... for example drop the cpu into the socket from a height by accident and you screwed the socket... drop a screwdriver or even a screw and you may damage the board.

Arguably there's also better contact between pins and socket, due to the sideways pressure on the pins and the pins being touched from at least two sides while on Intel cpus only the downwards pressure of the cpu makes the contact.. if a contact is pressed too much downwards it may no longer touch the cpu pads.

The sockets are also more durable, for example AM3 sockets are sort of guaranteed for at least 50 insertions while LGA sockets are pretty much rated for at most 20 insertions. Granted, in real life, most people don't replace the cpu more than 2 times in their lives.

 

They use LGA sockets for the server processors, mainly because those processors are often more expensive than motherboards and you only install the processors once in a dedicated server, you don't usually bother updating servers with new processors.

 

[TheRandomness]

Meh. Not a bad thing, not a good thing. 

[That Norwegian Guy]

17 minutes ago, cayphed said:

I really wish they'd move on with the times...

 

14 minutes ago, iiNNeX said:

Me too. We need competition, it's good for the consumer. Currently without any sort of competition from AMD, Intel's prices are through the roof.

 

6950x $1700!!!

 

13 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

Not an entirely big deal to be honest...

 

PGA makes motherboards cheaper to manufacture and pins are easier to bend back.

 

You guys DO know that the only reason Intel switched to LGA was to shunt the bent-pin RMAs onto motherboard partners, right? Don't twist this into some backwards "modernity" argument.

[HKZeroFive]

2 minutes ago, That Norwegian Guy said:

You guys DO know that the only reason Intel switched to LGA was to shunt the bent-pin RMAs onto motherboard partners, right? Don't twist this into some backwards "modernity" argument.

Since when did I mention any aspect of 'modernity'? Never said it was good or bad.

[Nena Trinity]

Adorable pins! :3

[cayphed]

1st, I'd rather replace a mobo over a CPU, it's cheaper.

2nd, the potential over greater pin density is amazing, especially with the estimated potential of the ZEN core architecture...

 

[Sir Asvald]

20 minutes ago, iiNNeX said:

Me too. We need competition, it's good for the consumer. Currently without any sort of competition from AMD, Intel's prices are through the roof.

 

6950x $1700!!!

You do realise that the X99 platform is all enthusiast. No normal person will spend $1700 alone on a CPU.

[Fetzie]

20 minutes ago, iiNNeX said:

Me too. We need competition, it's good for the consumer. Currently without any sort of competition from AMD, Intel's prices are through the roof.

 

6950x $1700!!!

To be fair, pga vs LGA has no performance deficit.

[iiNNeX]

4 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

To be fair, pga vs LGA has no performance deficit.

I was talking in general, not related to PGA or LGA

[ivan134]

33 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

i wouldn't be surprised if its not even a zen chip, not very hard to change a heat-spreader.

Oh boy. Here we go... 

[Bouzoo]

Actually we saw on a screenshot from the stream on the first day that it'll have pins, and even better, it was the same picture. 

[Eroda]

what would it matter if they did change the heat spreader Zen will either be good or bad  looks like we will know within 6-8 months from now.. just chill relax and see where the cards land

[RagnarokDel]

40 minutes ago, cayphed said:

1st, I'd rather replace a mobo over a CPU, it's cheaper.

2nd, the potential over greater pin density is amazing, especially with the estimated potential of the ZEN core architecture...

 

they're pretty even unless you're using garbage.

[cayphed]

2011-3 mobo's are way cheaper than the flagship CPU's

[Sauron]

Sad but expected.

3 minutes ago, Eroda said:

what would it matter if they did change the heat spreader Zen will either be good or bad  looks like we will know within 6-8 months from now.. just chill relax and see where the cards land

Having the pins on the cpu makes it more likely to break. Would you rather break your 120$ motherboard or your 350$ cpu?

[cayphed]

5 minutes ago, RagnarokDel said:

they're pretty even unless you're using garbage.

Me thinks your being ripped off severely mate...

[Prysin]

1 hour ago, cayphed said:

I really wish they'd move on with the times...

you do realize that you can overclock better on PGA then LGA?

 

PGA capable at much higher voltages and power draws then LGA. The limiting factor for PGA sockets, in terms of wattages, is actually the perforated plastic used in the socket. Said plastic can rarely tolerate more then 70 c before it starts to melt. But by just using a fiberglass composite or heat resistant thermoplastic you can easily exert FAR more power through a PGA socket.

[cayphed]

11 minutes ago, Prysin said:

you do realize that you can overclock better on PGA then LGA?

 

PGA capable at much higher voltages and power draws then LGA. The limiting factor for PGA sockets, in terms of wattages, is actually the perforated plastic used in the socket. Said plastic can rarely tolerate more then 70 c before it starts to melt. But by just using a fiberglass composite or heat resistant thermoplastic you can easily exert FAR more power through a PGA socket

Check this: http://valid.x86.fr/q0tc0h

it's a LGA Celeron clocking over the 8Ghz mark...