Samsung BGA nvme ssd

[spartaman64]

Samsung is stacking the controller nand chips and ram on top of each other instead of laying them out on a pcb enabling them to make an compact AIO ssd chip. It will come in 512GB, 256GB, and 128GB of capactiy and has read speeds of 1500MB/s and write speeds of 900MB/s with turbowrite technology. Has iops of 190k read and 150k write.  

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Configuring the PM971-NVMe SSD in a single BGA package was enabled by combining 16 of Samsung’s 48-layer 256-gigabit (Gb) V-NAND flash chips, one 20-nanometer 4Gb LPDDR4 mobile DRAM chip and a high-performance Samsung controller. The new SSD is 20mm x 16mm x 1.5mm and weighs only about one gram (an American dime by comparison weighs 2.3 grams). The single-package SSD’s volume is approximately a hundredth of a 2.5” SSD or HDD, and its surface area is about a fifth of an M.2 SSD, allowing much more design flexibility for computing device manufacturers.

 

source: https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-mass-producing-industrys-first-512-gigabyte-nvme-ssd-in-a-single-bga-package-for-more-flexibility-in-computing-device-design

 

This is probably going to be really expensive but its still really cool and as the price comes down it would be cool to see this in phones and other compact computers.

[failblox]

Aaaand we're still getting 16GB iPhones from Apple in 2016...

 

This is ridiculous.

[PCgamer324]

seems like there's still innovation in the storage sector... good to know

[Belgarathian]

This... This is really cool. Well done, Samsung. 

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How hot is that going to get with what was already a hot stick now packed into a tiny square?

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, failblox said:

Aaaand we're still getting 16GB iPhones from Apple in 2016...

 

This is ridiculous.

 

2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

How hot is that going to get with what was already a hot stick now packed into a tiny square?

This was exactly my though - the SM951 runs really quite hot while the 950 Pro thermally throttles.

[AlwaysFSX]

4 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

How hot is that going to get with what was already a hot stick now packed into a tiny square?

My thoughts exactly. Current NVMe SSDs get quite toasty, that thing probably needs a waterblock on it.

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2 minutes ago, Windspeed36 said:

This was exactly my though - the SM951 runs really quite hot while the 950 Pro thermally throttles.

1 minute ago, AlwaysFSX said:

My thoughts exactly. Current NVMe SSDs get quite toasty, that thing probably needs a waterblock on it.

And yet I still don't see any "agrees" on my comment... 

/jk

 

Oh, and @spartaman64, you should really include a quote from that source in your post as well.

[AlwaysFSX]

2 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

And yet I still don't see any "agrees" on my comment... 

/jk

 

Oh, and @spartaman64, you should really include a quote from that source in your post as well.

Fishing for points I see.  /s

[Energycore]

I need one.

 

Right now.

[SerialAceTU1]

Would love to see this found in a phone...

512GB of storage sounds great.

Even better with 2 of them in RAID 0, 1TB of data in such a tiny footprint...

[Paragon_X]

I think Samsung is already making 16 64 128 version of those for the 6s (plus). But damn thats awesome.

[Trixanity]

Keep in mind that it's BGA. I don't personally care but there are probably a bunch of people who praise it now, but will then curse it when they find out they can't replace it because it's soldered to the board. 

[FPSwithaWacomTablet]

Pretty sure one can underclock this SSD for use in phones and stuff...

 

[captain cactus]

7 hours ago, Windspeed36 said:

 

This was exactly my though - the SM951 runs really quite hot while the 950 Pro thermally throttles.

EK, make some water blocks for this thing, please thank you.

 

50 minutes ago, FPSwithaWacomTablet said:

Pretty sure one can underclock this SSD for use in phones and stuff...

 

The iPhone 6S(Plus) already has an PCI-e NVMe based SSD in it.

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17 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

EK, make some water blocks for this thing, please thank you.

 

Yeah but you can't easily put a waterblock for one on an mITX board or in a laptop.

[FPSwithaWacomTablet]

4 hours ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

The iPhone 6S(Plus) already has an PCI-e NVMe based SSD in it.

Idk if it's Samsung; what I meant in general is that no one needs to run an 950 Pro in full throttle if one were to cram one inside a phone.

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22 minutes ago, FPSwithaWacomTablet said:

Idk if it's Samsung; what I meant in general is that no one needs to run an 950 Pro in full throttle if one were to cram one inside a phone.

It's made by toshiba for 6s and sk hynix for 6s plus. Both are nvme

Info: ifixit

[spartaman64]

9 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

And yet I still don't see any "agrees" on my comment... 

/jk

 

Oh, and @spartaman64, you should really include a quote from that source in your post as well.

i like to paraphrase instead of quoting. includes all the information with less words

[spartaman64]

5 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Keep in mind that it's BGA. I don't personally care but there are probably a bunch of people who praise it now, but will then curse it when they find out they can't replace it because it's soldered to the board. 

they can probably stick this on a m.2 card

[Trixanity]

10 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

they can probably stick this on a m.2 card

Uh, no. It's BGA for a reason: it's attached directly to the board which allows you to make a much smaller solution. That's why they solder RAM on these days: it takes up much less space allowing for thinner/smaller designs.

 

At best, I could see them utilizing some of the R&D from this to increase density of m.2 products but in the end you don't gain all that much. The impressive thing about this is how dense you can make a high performance SSD but you ruin that achievement the moment you stick it on an m.2 card which is much bigger (even if you attach two or three BGA chips onto the product). In either case: it would be an entirely different product if they Frankenstein'ed a BGA chip onto an AIB and I don't think you'd gain anything worthwhile from it. 

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4 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

i like to paraphrase instead of quoting. includes all the information with less words

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[Notional]

14 hours ago, Windspeed36 said:

 

This was exactly my though - the SM951 runs really quite hot while the 950 Pro thermally throttles.

It doesn't really though:

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As you can see, you would have to write nearly 150GB at over 1.5GB/sec to get a 950 PRO to warm up enough to throttle, and when it does, the throttling is very minor, dropping to only 1.2GB/sec intermittently. The slightest airflow prevents this from happening at all, and even if there was zero airflow, the chances of maxing a 950 PRO out on writes for that long of a burst is extremely unlikely in even the most demanding consumer usage scenario.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Samsung-950-PRO-256GB-and-512GB-M2-NVMe-PCIe-SSD-Review/Thermal-Throttling-Conclusio

 

In their WAN show thing, they even stated that hot exhaust air from a GPU would cool it down enough to prevent it, even if they exhaust was 65c (I believe). In praxis you will never experience this issue.

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On topic though, this thing looks amazing, and makes both SATA drives, U.2 drives and normal ATX cases look even dumber and pointless. It's mostly the controller getting overheated, so a phone would probably not even be able to make it hot.

 

Now put 5 of those on an M.2 2280 or 7 on a 22110 drive

[Doobeedoo]

Quite awesome. Can't wait to see this in products.

[spartaman64]

11 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

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ok included a quote