GTX 1070 specs revealed

[Kryptyx]

12 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

humm...i wonder if that cut down GP104 will be able to outperform a GTX 980ti...i mean it's a significant cut right there...and no GDDR5X this time around...i think the small lead the GTX 1080 had on the TitanX/980ti has been taken away entirely from this card...it should perform pretty close to a 980ti now...

it will certainly be interesting to watch...results will depend on clockspeed but i'm pretty sure if you overclock both cards the GTX 980ti has a fair chance to come out on top.

 

what you guys think?

I think it will sit between the 980 and 980TI. I think the 980TI will come out on top but it should be a clear upgrade for 970 users.

[i_build_nanosuits]

5 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Yields are so good that such a significant cut down is being priced so highly and they're definitely not trying to recuperate money lost on bad yields. That's some airtight logic. Remind me what the relation between yields and stocks is again?

379$ for a card as fast or faster than a 980ti?! are you being serious right now?!

 

[dreamhacking]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

379$ for a card as fast or faster than a 980ti?! are you being serious right now?!

it should be faster than a 980, slower than a 980Ti ...

calm down bro, that's where the 1070 should sit, in between those.

but for that price ... yeah, Maxwell is done. 

[ivan134]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

379$ for a card as fast or faster than a 980ti?! are you being serious right now?!

This might come as a shock to you, but a GPU is not priced by how much performance it gives you. Manufacturing cost is. A 1070 is cheaper to manufacture than a 980 ti since it's a smaller chip. If 580s were still being made today, it would still be expensive, despite it's horrible performance compared to everything today. So yes, I'm being serious. The 1070 is overpriced.

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

This might come as a shock to you, but a GPU is not priced by how much performance it gives you. Manufacturing cost is. A 1070 is cheaper to manufacture than a 980 ti since it's a smaller chip. If 580s were still being made today, it would still be expensive, despite it's horrible performance compared to everything today. So yes, I'm being serious. The 1070 is overpriced.

Again...if you think the price for the 1070 is not fair...and push you toward thinking the GTX 1080 might be better value...THEN THERE YOU GO that means nvidia is indeed trying to push the GTX 1080 on you...because the yields are good and they can sell many many of those at decent price.

[i_build_nanosuits]

6 minutes ago, dreamhacking said:

it should be faster than a 980, slower than a 980Ti ...

calm down bro, that's where the 1070 should sit, in between those.

but for that price ... yeah, Maxwell is done. 

the GTX 970 also was slower than the 780ti on paper...and even at launch....maxwell drivers matured...and today in modern games the GTX 970 is decently faster than the 780ti Just saying...don't get me wrong i'll be happy if my 980ti trumps the 1070 acorss the board...but i highly doubt it...i think they will be evenly matched at launch and the 1070 will run away with the cake once driver optimisation for pascal really start to kick in. (although many outlets mentionned the fact that pascal is a ''shrunken'' maxwell...so technically driver optimisation should benefit both (or hurt both) this time around...interesting stuff)

[ivan134]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

Again...if you think the price for the 1070 is not fair...and push you toward thinking the GTX 1080 might be better value...THEN THERE YOU GO that means nvidia is indeed trying to push the GTX 1080 on you...because the yields are good and they can sell many many of those at decent price.

The 1080's price is also questionable for a chip its size, but since it's the king of the hill Nvidia has a lot of leeway to price it as they want. When looked at this way the MSRP is not terrible, but what will end up obnoxiously hiking the price is the stupid game they're playing with the founder's edition price. I don't expect AIB partners to price their much better models lower than the founder's edition price if they see that people are willing to buy it.

 

These factors aside, even if the 1080 was perfectly priced, a majority of people are not going to shell out $600 for a GPU. If Nvidia cannot find a way to lower the price of the 1070, it's going to get eaten alive by Polaris 10 (at least it would in a perfect world where people didn't just buy something because it has an Nvidia label on it).

[Simon771]

5 minutes ago, Kryptyx said:

I think it will sit between the 980 and 980TI. I think the 980TI will come out on top but it should be a clear upgrade for 970 users.

 

2 minutes ago, dreamhacking said:

it should be faster than a 980, slower than a 980Ti ...

calm down bro, that's where the 1070 should sit, in between those.

but for that price ... yeah, Maxwell is done. 

 

GTX 980 Ti: 2860 cores * 1500 MHz = 4.290.000

GTX 1070: 1920 cores * 2300 MHz = 4.416.000

 

You think 2300MHz is too high?

Well GTX 980 Ti at release had boost clock at 1075MHz, and it was able to increase for 430MHz.

GTX 1070 boost is 1683, and since it's new technology + smaller chip, it should OC better.

 

So it will be faster than GTX 980 for sure. About 980 ti ... when decent OCed, it might come very near to 980 ti. 

@i_build_nanosuits and @ivan134 please relax. It doesn't metter if it was bad or good yield. The fact is that they decreased cores by 1/4. Because of that, it's also lower price.

Overpriced 1070? well nvidia have to pay less to manufacture 1070 than 970. But performance is much better compared to 970, so they can't just put GTX 1070 for 299$.

 

It will be better than GTX 980 for sure. And check prices of those cards and compare them to GTX 1070 prices ... better performance for lower price.

As I said, we can even expect 1070 to get near 980 ti performance. So again much cheaper, and kinda same performance (ish).

[Malaki Titi]

The amount of rear end talk is laughable.

You'd think that the engineers and designers of the gpu logged on these boards and shit talk on Nvidia.

 

980ti performance for 970 price is a stellar feat.

Don't tell the talking ass that.  LOL

[GiSWiG]

This is why I've taken my MSI R9 390 out of my case, boxed it up and readied it for ebay. I really like what MSI has done with their cards. I would like to get the MSI variant but if I get the Founder's Edition, I'll follow along Linus's painting video and paint it red. I got a red theme going.

[cummerou1]

1 hour ago, ShadyHost said:

Probably gonna be a slightly similar result compared to the claims for the 1080. 

 

1080 was what I would say faster than the Titan X almost every time, while only faster than the dual 980s maybe half the time. 

The 1070 will probably be faster than the 980 all the time, but only faster than Titan X maybe half the time. 

Well it was almost never faster than 2 980´s in older games, but any game using direct x 12 the 1080 completly killed the 980´s. 

[ivan134]

@Simon771 @i_build_nanosuits

He just mirrored exactly my sentiments. On face value alone, the 1070 looks like a terrible value proposition.

 

[GiSWiG]

9 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

@Simon771 @i_build_nanosuits

He just mirrored exactly my sentiments. On face value alone, the 1070 looks like a terrible value proposition.

 

Yet another reason to wait for the benchmarks.

[ThinkWithPortals]

Getting one for sure. Probably in mid-July. I'll still look at benchmarks, but it seems Team Green may have finally done what it takes to win me over.

[i_build_nanosuits]

18 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

@Simon771 @i_build_nanosuits

He just mirrored exactly my sentiments. On face value alone, the 1070 looks like a terrible value proposition.

 

i agree with everything Brian said and i never said the GTX 1070 was great bang for the buck or anything like that...it's true that it's SIGNIFICANTLY cut down and i think most people will rather spend a bit more and get the full experience here...i know i would.

[Nowak]

Remember guys, wait for benchmarks. That's what I'm gonna do before deciding if it's worth it or not.

 

980 Ti performance for $380 would be pretty nice anyway.

[Simon771]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

i agree with everything Brian said and i never said the GTX 1070 was great bang for the buck or anything like that...it's true that it's SIGNIFICANTLY cut down and i think most people will rather spend a bit more and get the full experience here...i know i would.

I would if I could

But sadly 1080 is out of my budget. Can afford to spend only like 400€ on GPU, and still not sure if I will be even able to get GTX 1070 for that price,

1080 will be priced at least 750€ in my country, so I just can't go for that.

But later if/when I come to more money, I can always just buy another 1070 and put it in SLI. 

It would cost me a bit more, but I belive performance would be pretty awesome  

 

Imagine 3840 cores at 2000MHz or even higher on water cooling lol 

That would beat GTX 1080 and GTX 1080 Ti for kinda same price.

Downside is SLI problems (possible) and more power usage.

[AdamH96]

How is it significantly cut down? between the 980 and 970 (2048-1664) there is a 384 core difference. Between the 1080 to 1070 (2560-1920) there is a 640 core difference. The 1070 has almost as much cores as the 980. Remember core for core they are not always the same between architectures.

[done12many2]

6 hours ago, Simon771 said:

Those are just rummor for now. Have to wait for EKWB to make water block, and wait for EVGA and other companies to release OCed versions  

 

The blocks are official for the 27th!!

 

 

[ivan134]

53 minutes ago, AdamHolt96 said:

How is it significantly cut down? between the 980 and 970 (2048-1664) there is a 384 core difference. Between the 1080 to 1070 (2560-1920) there is a 640 core difference. The 1070 has almost as much cores as the 980. Remember core for core they are not always the same between architectures.

They've always scaled the same regardless of architecture. 980 had 23% more CUDA cores than a 970 and gave ~ 23% more performance. It was the same for all previous generations. That is not the main issue. The main issue is what Nvidia is charging for the 1070, and right now that price is terrible.

[Simon771]

29 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

The blocks are official for the 27th!!

 

 

Woow that sounds great!

But I also wonder what will be price for it

Probbably not under 130€ or something like that.

But that screenshot lol. 39°C at 100% load is just insane.

[Mew]

4 hours ago, dreamhacking said:

nice specs on the 1070

should be able to overclock to 2000mhz maybe? haha

 

4 hours ago, Simon771 said:

Well 1080 can OCed to 2100MHz on air cooling, but base clock is 100MHz higher.

So I guess 1070 can be OCed to like 2000MHz on air.

 

Some reports saying that 1080 can be OCed to 2,5GHz on water cooling.

So for 1070 we can expect maybe 2,4GHz?

 

Those are just rummor for now. Have to wait for EKWB to make water block, and wait for EVGA and other companies to release OCed versions  

Considering that the 1080 is power limited when overclocked, the 1070 should have a bit more headroom and should be able to overclock further than the 1080. 

 

My thoughts on the 1070 performance is that it should be similar to 780ti>970. Performance should be similar to the 980ti. 

[done12many2]

3 hours ago, Simon771 said:

Woow that sounds great!

But I also wonder what will be price for it

Probbably not under 130€ or something like that.

But that screenshot lol. 39°C at 100% load is just insane.

 

I'm hoping to be a bit lower than that 39c and can't wait to see how Boost 3.0 responds to those temps!  My last 980 Ti SLI peaked at 37c under full load so I'm thinking 35c to 37c under full load is possible.  I can see a lot of folks going well past the 2 GHz mark without even BIOS modding their cards.

[GiSWiG]

1 hour ago, ivan134 said:

They've always scaled the same regardless of architecture. 980 had 23% more CUDA cores than a 970 and gave ~ 23% more performance. It was the same for all previous generations. That is not the main issue. The main issue is what Nvidia is charging for the 1070, and right now that price is terrible.

What Nvidia is charging is a 'first adopters' price but I wonder if that will ever drop. The MSRP is not that bad but how close will board partners get to that. They'll probably have their base models slightly above the MSRP and the gaming and OC editions closer to Nvidia's Founder's price.

 

But don't forget, supply and demand! I bought my 6700k @ $420 because I had everything else and I didn't want to wait or settle for less.

[ivan134]

1 minute ago, GiSWiG said:

What Nvidia is charging is a 'first adopters' price but I wonder if that will ever drop. The MSRP is not that bad but how close will board partners get to that. They'll probably have their base models slightly above the MSRP and the gaming and OC editions closer to Nvidia's Founder's price.

 

But don't forget, supply and demand! I bought my 6700k @ $420 because I had everything else and I didn't want to wait or settle for less.

The 1070 is not launching until June 10 and AMD is expected to at least announce their cards before then.