Apple not able to recover data from missing teen iPhone

[handymanshandle]

OT but when I noticed the town that the boys were from, it reminded me of American Horror Story. (Jupiter, Fla)

[MrDynamicMan]

15 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

They want to know what happened, at last moments of their son's life. Maybe there is a message, video clip or a picture.

 

Yeah, thats fair Enough. But as sad as this is it doesnt warrant a backdoor being built.

[BHS4K]

The condition of that iPhone is terrible. I wish the family the best of luck.

[jaggysnake57]

On 13/05/2016 at 0:01 PM, MrDynamicMan said:

Am I the only one who doesnt get why they want to get into the phone? Its not an investigation, its not a crucial piece of evidence. Theres either a story here or theyre just being strange about it. Your son just died, and now you want to get into his phone why?

closure

 

[Mr.Meerkat]

On 5/13/2016 at 5:11 PM, vorticalbox said:

if the phone backed up to the cloud i'm sure they could have that data oer and someone could brute force it.

one slight problem with that, they were out in the sea...which probably equals to a no internet connection situation so...

 

On 5/13/2016 at 5:15 PM, Stadin6 said:

brute force the icloud or iphone data? 

I think they already have the unencrypted icloud data.

 

edit: and you cant brute force AES 256-bit if that is what they used on icloud

Icloud leaks anyone? Obviously they might not be true but if someone was able to hack into icloud and create those leaks then I'm sure apple can do it as well  

[teddy710]

On 5/13/2016 at 11:22 AM, Stadin6 said:

they might have a problem finding a  8 month old fingerprint of high enough quality to satisfy touch id.

That is assuming the data on the touch id controller isnt lost.

doesn't everyone basically have fingerprints done by the police or something? assuming they weren't super poor or something (since they have iphones i'm gonna go with now dirt poor) they probably have their fingerprints stored somewhere. couldn't they use those?

[Stadin6]

2 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

one slight problem with that, they were out in the sea...which probably equals to a no internet connection situation so...

 

Icloud leaks anyone? Obviously they might not be true but if someone was able to hack into icloud and create those leaks then I'm sure apple can do it as well  

I think icloud leaks were social engineering, not actual hacks.

[Osiris199]

Sorry, but As I see this thread now, I think everyone is being a hypocrite with their comments...

 

"Oh no you shouldn't be able to crack someone's iphone because privacy reasons, even if it is from a proven terrorist or the phone is from a deceased person where the family wants to retrieve the pictures, personal data and such from their dead relative"

 

Some teenagers disappeared, maybe they even ran away together and don't want to be found in the first place, people have faked their own death already to disappear: "Right, we're doing everything we can to crack their phones, who cares about their opinion"

 

Make up your mind, you're either for or against decrypting phones, you can't just bend that rule just to fit your own agenda. And I know one possibility is to find them if they are really missing, but on the other hand so could they have tracked connected terrorists with Farook's Iphone. 

[Centurius]

On 5/13/2016 at 6:07 PM, NumLock21 said:

 

 

unlock starts around 13:00

 

On first startup you still need to enter your password, touchid only works after you've unlocked the phone with the password once.

5 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

one slight problem with that, they were out in the sea...which probably equals to a no internet connection situation so...

 

Icloud leaks anyone? Obviously they might not be true but if someone was able to hack into icloud and create those leaks then I'm sure apple can do it as well  

Those leaks used a combination of social engineering and bruteforcing a vulnerability. That vulnerability has since been fixed and in general security has been improved.

1 hour ago, Osiris199 said:

Sorry, but As I see this thread now, I think everyone is being a hypocrite with their comments...

 

"Oh no you shouldn't be able to crack someone's iphone because privacy reasons, even if it is from a proven terrorist or the phone is from a deceased person where the family wants to retrieve the pictures, personal data and such from their dead relative"

 

Some teenagers disappeared, maybe they even ran away together and don't want to be found in the first place, people have faked their own death already to disappear: "Right, we're doing everything we can to crack their phones, who cares about their opinion"

 

Make up your mind, you're either for or against decrypting phones, you can't just bend that rule just to fit your own agenda. And I know one possibility is to find them if they are really missing, but on the other hand so could they have tracked connected terrorists with Farook's Iphone. 

No one is advocating building a backdoor which is what the FBI wanted. Not even Apple considered that an option in this case, they did the everything the firmware allows and nothing more.

[Okjoek]

On 5/13/2016 at 7:01 AM, MrDynamicMan said:

Am I the only one who doesnt get why they want to get into the phone? Its not an investigation, its not a crucial piece of evidence. Theres either a story here or theyre just being strange about it. Your son just died, and now you want to get into his phone why?

We took the HDD out of my Dad's laptop after he died. At most there's no important info to fall into bad hands and at least it had his memories on it we could keep safe. I can see the comforting feeling about why they might want to have access to those memories even if they don't really change anything.

[M4st4M1nd]

16 hours ago, teddy710 said:

doesn't everyone basically have fingerprints done by the police or something? assuming they weren't super poor or something (since they have iphones i'm gonna go with now dirt poor) they probably have their fingerprints stored somewhere. couldn't they use those?

Hell no. I sure as hell wouldn't willing give the cops anything like that

[Mr.Meerkat]

15 hours ago, Centurius said:

On first startup you still need to enter your password, touchid only works after you've unlocked the phone with the password once.

Those leaks used a combination of social engineering and bruteforcing a vulnerability. That vulnerability has since been fixed and in general security has been improved.

No one is advocating building a backdoor which is what the FBI wanted. Not even Apple considered that an option in this case, they did the everything the firmware allows and nothing more.

 

17 hours ago, Stadin6 said:

I think icloud leaks were social engineering, not actual hacks.

I guess  but still...

[InsanelySecretD]

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Sadly Apple was not able to retrieve any data from that phone, as the iOS running on was 8.4, and they're unable to bypass the username and password

PAsscode you mean? They could surely access the data at their end/force reset the password if they wanted. The article does not refer to username and password, but the access code/password.

 

Also, does not iOS 8.4 have 4 digit passcode? that's roughly 10 000 combinations - just bypass the incorrect passcode entry block and give it to an intern to deal with. If you enter one code per minutem, you can access it in 7 days...

 

 

[LAwLz]

42 minutes ago, InsanelySecretD said:

They could surely access the data at their end/force reset the password if they wanted.

Resetting the password is not an option because the new password won't work to decrypt files encrypted with the old password.

 

42 minutes ago, InsanelySecretD said:

Also, does not iOS 8.4 have 4 digit passcode? that's roughly 10 000 combinations - just bypass the incorrect passcode entry block and give it to an intern to deal with. If you enter one code per minutem, you can access it in 7 days...

There is a delay timer that gets exponentially longer ever time you type in the wrong password. If it just took 1 minute for each attempt it would not be a problem, but it won't. At some point you will have to wait several days between attempts.

 

 

 

 

I can see why they would want to access their kid's phone. They might have been able to get messages and pictures they did not have saved.

 

But let me tell you, snooping around on a dead person's computer is not a pleasant thing. I was handed a diseased person's computer. They gave me his password protected computer and asked if I could get into it. Took it home, booted a live CD and started going though his stuff. Folder after folder with Disney porn... Really messed up conversations over chat programs (not just sex stuff, but also talking about people behind their backs)... Lots of stuff like that. In the end I only saved the nice things and told them I could not find anything else.

Exposing a dead person's deepest secrets might be comforting to the person's loved once, but I think it is more likely to just taint their last memories of the person forever.

[minibois]

Maybe they can just ask the FBI or Mr. McAffee for help.

 

But really though, that's a shame for the family, friend and other people who know these two missing teens  It must be horrible knowing that the person you know is gone and the place they went to is possibly on the phone you can't access now.

[InsanelySecretD]

25 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Resetting the password is not an option because the new password won't work to decrypt files encrypted with the old password.

 

There is a delay timer that gets exponentially longer ever time you type in the wrong password. If it just took 1 minute for each attempt it would not be a problem, but it won't. At some point you will have to wait several days between attempts.

It all comes down to the method iPhone's use to count down one second. If that can be 'adjusted' or as I said 'bypassed', time is not a problem here.

 

 

[dalomo]

On 5/15/2016 at 2:58 PM, teddy710 said:

doesn't everyone basically have fingerprints done by the police or something? assuming they weren't super poor or something (since they have iphones i'm gonna go with now dirt poor) they probably have their fingerprints stored somewhere. couldn't they use those?

I've never heard of that. I'm in the US and I've never been fingerprinted by the police.

[Norseman4]

On 5/13/2016 at 7:01 AM, MrDynamicMan said:

Am I the only one who doesnt get why they want to get into the phone? Its not an investigation, its not a crucial piece of evidence. Theres either a story here or theyre just being strange about it. Your son just died, and now you want to get into his phone why?

Back in the day when cameras had, gasp, film, it was not unusual for the deceased's film to be developed. I highly doubt it was to check for midget-diapered-transgender-nun porn.

[MrDynamicMan]

12 hours ago, Norseman4 said:

Back in the day when cameras had, gasp, film, it was not unusual for the deceased's film to be developed. I highly doubt it was to check for midget-diapered-transgender-nun porn.

Yeah. I realized that after posting.

 

though they might be surprised by the  midget-diapered-transgender-nun porn they find.

[Norseman4]

8 hours ago, MrDynamicMan said:

Yeah. I realized that after posting.

 

though they might be surprised by the  midget-diapered-transgender-nun porn they find.

It's actually not bad --- up until they bring in the sheep