AMD May Not Be Trying To Compete With Nvidia

[Majestic]

13 hours ago, FirstArmada said:

I personally think this is better, AMD who in my opinion make better low to mid range cards stick to only making low to mid range cards 

I really don't think that's going to bode well for them. Because that means they will AGAIN be working under abysmal margins. The high-end is where you make the bulk of the revenue. Low-mid is where you dump your lower yields to break even. It's not a secret that the millions of chips they're shipping to Microsoft and Sony aren't really yielding them a high margin. 

 

I've said this a couple of times already on this forum. If AMD again saturates the market with "meh" products they're done pretty soon. I really hope they stop attempting to be the cheap alternative and stop showing such utter lack of faith in their products. Besides, the market is screaming for high-end products to run their VR games at high details at 90 fps. We need basically 2-3x the performance we have now to continue having current fidelity at VR framerates.

[ApolloFury]

50 minutes ago, byalexandr said:

Well they need to bring it sooner, the earlier they kick Nvidia's ass the better.

 AMD releases their flagships towards the end of the year, it has always been like that.

5970, 6970, 7970, R9 290X, R9 285* --> Vega

Nvidia releases their high-end first. Both companies do this to avoid competition and get as many $$$ from two types of customers (low and high-end)

*The Fury X is an exception, it was supposed to be released the year before so they have the R9 285 to fill in the gap which was also released in Q4.

 

The first line is R9 285 which was released on September 2014, the second line is Vega and it looks like the same schedule as years before.

Nothing will be changed.

[byalexandr]

10 minutes ago, ApolloFury said:

 AMD releases their flagships towards the end of the year, it has always been like that.

5970, 6970, 7970, R9 290X, R9 285* --> Vega

Nvidia releases their high-end first. Both companies do this to avoid competition and get as many $$$ from two types of customers (low and high-end)

*The Fury X is an exception, it was supposed to be released the year before so they have the R9 285 to fill in the gap which was also released in Q4.

 

The first line is R9 285 which was released on September 2014, the second line is Vega and it looks like the same schedule as years before.

-snippity snap yo-

Nothing will be changed.

Fak. I wanted an R9 Nano successor this Summer but I guess I'll have to just get a Nano since I'm not waiting until the end of the year. Nano is still a bitchin' card anyways.

[Majestic]

1 minute ago, byalexandr said:

Fak. I wanted an R9 Nano successor this Summer but I guess I'll have to just get a Nano since I'm not waiting until the end of the year. Nano is still a bitchin' card anyways.

7.5K posts and still haven't got the etiquette to delete pictures from posts.

GG

[byalexandr]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

7.5K posts and still haven't got the etiquette to delete pictures from posts.

GG

Fuck me, sorry. I just got up from bed lol

[CTR640]

If this will be true, then what about nVidia? Will they increase the prices of their high-end GPU's through the cosmos?

[FirstArmada]

6 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Except for the fact that this week they announced the Fury Pro Duo, seems like an odd move for a company who are "giving up on the high end sector" don't you think?

Pro duo is targeted at VR devs 

[Master Disaster]

3 minutes ago, FirstArmada said:

Pro duo is targeted at VR devs 

In the same way the Titan series was "not intended for home gamers".

 

They don't release a dual Fury X card into the wild and not expect the top tier enthusiasts to pick one up.

[Thony]

I do agree on how they excel in different markets. 

 

I know AMD was never really competing with high end Nvidia cards even though they would release them too. 

 

But now if AMD abandons the high end market once for all Nvidia will have no competitor and we know that's terrible for everybody (consumer, prosumer, Nvidia itself).

 

It would be very interesting if for gaming department the following  happened: 

Nvidia only making GTX X60, X70, X80, XTi/Titan

AMD only making X50 X60, X70, X80

So in gaming market they would only compete with one card X80 (AMD) and X60 (Nvidia). 

[FirstArmada]

9 hours ago, ApolloFury said:

Polaris isn't meant to be high-end cards, that is Vega.

 

9 hours ago, ApolloFury said:

As a game developer I will be highly disappointed if we stop getting high-end products that supports open-standards such as GPUOpen or FreenSync.

 

Quite possible or as mentiond earlier Vega could be another card or two that doesn't compete with Nvidia but instead another card in between what Nvidia offers much like the Fury X is now at least in Canada it is about a 100$ cheaper then a 980 Ti , but i guess we wont know until we get closer to its launch 

[FirstArmada]

2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

In the same way the Titan series was "not intended for home gamers".

 

They don't release a dual Fury X card into the wild and not expect the top tier enthusiasts to pick one up.

 

Dont know why an average consumer would its cheaper to get 2 Fury's separately 

[Master Disaster]

6 minutes ago, FirstArmada said:

 

Dont know why an average consumer would its cheaper to get 2 Fury's separately 

People spending $1500 on a GPU are not average consumers though.

[Adored]

The point I was making in the video is that AMD could have released a card to compete with GP104.  It could have had HBM, possibly even HBM2, and it could have cost the same as what the GTX 1080 is gonna cost (think north of $600).

 

It would have been faster, but most of you would still have bought the 1080 instead.  This has been seen time and time again in the past with cards like the 560 Ti vs the 6950 and the 460 vs the 6850.  Both times where AMD was faster yet completely outsold anyway.  The 460 outsold the 6850 by 4-1.

 

AMD is a company out to make money.  Nvidia is too and they make more money by selling to their high-end buyers over and over.  680, 690, Titan, 780, 780 Ti, Titan Z, 980, Titan X, 980 Ti...now the 1080 another 25% faster than the 980 Ti.

People just keep lapping up those 30% increases at more $$$ but that's a market that will eventually run out of legs.  It's unsustainable.

Nvidia is bottlenecked by wafer allocation at TSMC so they have to pick and choose which cards get made first.  Those gigantic P100 Teslas at $10K a piece are way ahead of any gamer GPU and using up wafers like nobodies business.  AMD will gain a lot of market share in mobile while Nvidia does this, it's really very simple strategy.

[Thony]

8 minutes ago, FirstArmada said:

 

Dont know why an average consumer would its cheaper to get 2 Fury's separately 

I never owned one but wouldn't dual GPU (390x2 or whatever the latest one is called) act as single card so you could avoid any problems that crossfire has ?

 

 

[Sakkura]

2 minutes ago, Adored said:

The point I was making in the video is that AMD could have released a card to compete with GP104.  It could have had HBM, possibly even HBM2, and it could have cost the same as what the GTX 1080 is gonna cost (think north of $600).

AMD will release a card to compete with GP104. Your error is in the assumption that they won't. 

[Thony]

49 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

We need a 3rd player on the market. Kinda like Green team, Red team and a Yellow team or something.

Intel or Samsung could do so. It would bring more game optimisation problems which would suck but doesn't everything suck at first these days ?!

[79wjd]

11 minutes ago, Thony said:

I never owned one but wouldn't dual GPU (390x2 or whatever the latest one is called) act as single card so you could avoid any problems that crossfire has ?

 

 

No, it's still crossfire.

[Adored]

9 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

AMD will release a card to compete with GP104. Your error is in the assumption that they won't. 

Really?  Funny how we haven't heard about anything like that from AMD.  If you think Vega is competing with GP104 you're very mistaken.  Vega will thrash GP104 but it'll come much later as well.

[Sakkura]

8 minutes ago, Adored said:

Really?  Funny how we haven't heard about anything like that from AMD.  If you think Vega is competing with GP104 you're very mistaken.  Vega will thrash GP104 but it'll come much later as well.

Doesn't matter, AMD hasn't compared their upcoming GPUs directly to anything from Nvidia. And Nvidia hasn't even confirmed the GP104, all they've said is something about GP100 for enterprise use next year.

[Inkz]

14 hours ago, FirstArmada said:

 

I personally think this is better, AMD who in my opinion make better low to mid range cards stick to only making low to mid range cards and Nvidia who clearly make the better fastest single GPU solutions should stick to only that this way their is less new GPUs to make every year therefore more focus given on the 2-4ish GPUs they do make which is better for the consumer at the end of the day

 

 

Yes, because having only one choice for the high end is always good.

[VagabondWraith]

1 hour ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

We need a 3rd player on the market. Kinda like Green team, Red team and a Yellow team or something.

Intel. They have the engineers and their own fabs. It would be glorious to see Intel and nVidia beating the shit outta each other with AMD providing solid competition.

[Notional]

52 minutes ago, Adored said:

The point I was making in the video is that AMD could have released a card to compete with GP104.  It could have had HBM, possibly even HBM2, and it could have cost the same as what the GTX 1080 is gonna cost (think north of $600).

 

 

52 minutes ago, Adored said:

 

AMD is a company out to make money.  Nvidia is too and they make more money by selling to their high-end buyers over and over.  680, 690, Titan, 780, 780 Ti, Titan Z, 980, Titan X, 980 Ti...now the 1080 another 25% faster than the 980 Ti.

People just keep lapping up those 30% increases at more $$$ but that's a market that will eventually run out of legs.  It's unsustainable.

Nvidia is bottlenecked by wafer allocation at TSMC so they have to pick and choose which cards get made first.  Those gigantic P100 Teslas at $10K a piece are way ahead of any gamer GPU and using up wafers like nobodies business.  AMD will gain a lot of market share in mobile while Nvidia does this, it's really very simple strategy.

Pretty sure Polaris 10 will do exactly that. I think people are underestimating Polaris.

HBM2 is still under initial production. I would hate for AMD (or NVidia for that matter) to be in the same situation as Fiji.

 

Not sure about the wafer argument. TSMC lost all of AMD's business to GloFo and Samsung, which should clear up a lot of production ressources. However the new 16nm FF+ node could very well be very limited in production still.

 

However we pretty much know that GP100 (Big Pascal with HBM2) and AMD's Vega (with HBM2) should be somewhat equal and both performance and launch time (dec 16 - jan 17 or so).

 

That being said, I enjoy your videos and look forward to you getting both next gen gpu's for testing.

[FirstArmada]

1 hour ago, Thony said:

I never owned one but wouldn't dual GPU (390x2 or whatever the latest one is called) act as single card so you could avoid any problems that crossfire has ?

 

 

 

Dont believe so i think it acts as 2 separate cards as it was by a AIB partner so no special drivers just standard 390 drivers 

[FirstArmada]

1 hour ago, Adored said:

Really?  Funny how we haven't heard about anything like that from AMD.  If you think Vega is competing with GP104 you're very mistaken.  Vega will thrash GP104 but it'll come much later as well.

 

It is also possible that Vega is high end but not at the same price point as Nvidia's card maybe in between 1080 and 1080 Ti or something like that or it might even be more power full but i doubt AMD will be making top tier card like 980 Ti or Titan X until Navi

[Revinval]

The fanboyism in this thread is insane. When has Nvidia or AMD said they are making big chips? Yup that is right early 2017. Guess what neither is going to own the other from what we know now. Stop it with the fanboyism and see we have no real info yet outside of a little bit of early polaris. Its anyones game right now.