Has Nvidia Forgotten Kepler? The GTX 780 Ti vs. the 290X Revisited

[Hawx]

http://www.bytemedev.com/the-gtx-780-ti-sli-end-of-life-driver-performance-analysis/

 

It's pretty clear that Nvidia got all they could out of the 780Ti. The 290X just had a bit more left.

[TheGamingBarrel]

28 minutes ago, Hawx said:

http://www.bytemedev.com/the-gtx-780-ti-sli-end-of-life-driver-performance-analysis/

 

It's pretty clear that Nvidia got all they could out of the 780Ti. The 290X just had a bit more left.

Those graphs, I appear to be on the wrong driver for my benching though, been using 350.12.

[Majestic]

19 hours ago, SkepticKrab said:

Buy nVidia if you want performance today (Dragster),

buy AMD if you want performance that lasts (Le Mans 24)

Needless oversimplification.

 

12 hours ago, MMKing said:

Is anyone really surprised? Take a look at how Gameworks butchered fallout 4 performance on the 600/700 cards, while only causing mild reductions on the 900 series.

You people just love pulling Gameworks into discussions huh. Even where it's not even remotely fucking applicable. The 7970 has 3,8 Tflops, the 680 had 3,0 Tflops. It has more raw potential. And when you contrast the current 390 vs. the 970. It's 5 TFlops vs. 3,5 Tflops. The GTX980 is much closer, at 4,6 (and sporting 72Gpixel instead of 64). I expect the 390X to trade blows with the 980 @ DX12.

 

The fact nvidia has been able to trade blows with such "inferior" hardware is commendable. But ultimately it also means that there is no more extra power to tap. Whilst AMD cards still have potentially more to gain. Eventhough their texture/pixel fillrates lie significantly lower, compared to their raw compute.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2664/radeon-r9-390.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/296/radeon-hd-7970.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/342/geforce-gtx-680.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2620/geforce-gtx-970.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2621/geforce-gtx-980.html

[dragosudeki]

41 minutes ago, Majestic said:

The fact nvidia has been able to trade blows with such "inferior" hardware is commendable. But ultimately it also means that there is no more extra power to tap. Whilst AMD cards still have potentially more to gain. Eventhough their texture/pixel fillrates lie significantly lower, compared to their raw compute.

Could also add that because of the "rebrand" or closeness of the AMD cards from generation to generation, we could potentially be seeing improvements in the old cards, since improvements that were intended for the 390(X) would also benefit the 290(X). 

[samcool55]

So AMD cards age better than nvidia, polaris it is then

 

 

[7850OC]

DX12 (amd) vs DX11 (nvidia)

 

"obviously" AMD have age better ;D

[Prysin]

On 01/04/2016 at 3:55 PM, samcool55 said:

So AMD cards age better than nvidia, polaris it is then

 

 

if you haven't noticed that trend before now, then seriously, what have you been doing for the past 4 years worth of reviews?

[mikat]

On 1-4-2016 at 11:05 AM, don_svetlio said:

But I'm hungry :?

good old 480 jokes lol

[Katorice]

On 4/2/2016 at 8:03 PM, 7850OC said:

DX12 (amd) vs DX11 (nvidia)

 

"obviously" AMD have age better ;D

da size, pls.

[grayperview]

You have to take into account how much room for improvement there was/is in the AMD driver, it still is a CPU hogger, the more they reduce this, the more performance will be gained...it looks like between 2013 and 2016 they have reduced it by 5-7% and there still looks like there is even more to be eeeeeked out of it too, in DirectX 11....

 

DirectX 12 remains to be seen, AMD has an advantage now and GNC seems very suited to DX12, Nvidia doesn't seem to have an answer to it right now, but maybe they are just playing the waiting game, as the only real DX12 game is ashes, and that performs quite well under DX11 for Nvidia. So there is no real rush...Async computer seems to be Nvidia Kryptonite right now, it's been a good while now, and they don't seem to have come up with a solution for their Maxwell cards....I suspect there is not going to be one, i think this will be a step too far to do in software....so they have unintentionally built in obsolescence into maxwell with their short term thinking....If Async compute turns out to be a godlike feature in DX12 in terms of performance gains and If Pascal turns out it can't do Async compute Nvidia will really be behind the blackball, and AMD will start to pull market share back........but that's a big IF...

 

I'm Glad i don't have an Nvidia card right now....as the days go by, my Fury purchase is looking better and better...looks like i will be getting over the 60fps threshold for a bit longer than if i had picked up a 980 right now.....Things may change though..

[Dabombinable]

Considering the fact that it was only around November last year that my Mobility Radeon HD5650 became unsupported because AMD had optimized as much as they could for what is the first DX11 capable GPU, I can actually believe that Nvidia isn't fixing the mistakes made by devs for all of their graphics cards.

[thekeemo]

My 690 keeps getting improvements so I wouldnt say so.

[Shahnewaz]

Can we get enough people to ask @LinusTech or @Slick to test the HD7970 and the GTX680 using launch drivers and then the latest drivers? Please?

[Guest]

On 31/03/2016 at 1:58 AM, DuckDodgers said:

 

Who aged better -- Kepler or Hawaii? The two former top-end architectures from 2013 have received different treatment over the their lifespan. While Nvidia simply moved along with a new GPU architecture (Maxwell), AMD's GCN have seen much less revolutionary changes, with only iterative architectural upgrades from Tahiti to the latest HBM-powered Fiji GPUs. AMD were definitely forced to spend time with the driver optimizations instead, with some notable effects. 

 

 

-- TL;DR --

 

Source: http://www.babeltechreviews.com/nvidia-forgotten-kepler-gtx-780-ti-vs-290x-revisited/view-all/

One thing that I don't like about this, is the fact that they say that the 290X was rebranded to the 390X. A new card is never a rebrand and people should learn that. If nvidia made new cards (like the 970, 980 etc) and the 390X beats some of them, then how is it a rebrand? This is clearly not a reputable site as they are heavily biased towards nvidia

[grayperview]

I found them fair to be honest, i thought the way the article was presented was a complete mess and hard to follow though....Their testing methods well, not perfect but same for both sides i suppose.

[GamerDude]

That's why I've put off any GPU upgrades since I'm sitting pretty with my 2x R9 290X, together with my aged i7 3960X, they can still handle a lot of games maxed out. I've read reviews that compare DX12 performance between NVidia and AMD cards, seems GCN is better suited for DX12. Despite that, and just so I can say I have a couple of Titans, I'd grabbed a pair of GTX Titan 6GB from a local forum Garage Section since the seller was selling them at a good price, even built an i7 4770K rig just for them. Gonna get a 34" 21:9 Ultra Wide monitor to use with the CF'ed 290X and SLi'd Titan rigs.

 

Will wait for actual game benchmarks of Polaris and Zen before I'd entertain any thought of upgrade. I now have two CFX systems (another with 2x HD7950) as well as two SLi rigs (including a 2x GTX670 rig). With my present rigs, I guess I can afford to wait for the dust to settle on Pascal and Polaris before I'd jump on either.....I'm hoping Zen would be able to match or surpass Skylake in terms of raw performance.....not interested in clockspeed nonsense.

[Mew]

On 4/3/2016 at 10:24 PM, jkeasley said:

One thing that I don't like about this, is the fact that they say that the 290X was rebranded to the 390X. A new card is never a rebrand and people should learn that. If nvidia made new cards (like the 970, 980 etc) and the 390X beats some of them, then how is it a rebrand? This is clearly not a reputable site as they are heavily biased towards nvidia

7950>7950boost is a rebrand

7950boost>280 is a rebrand

8800gt>9800gt is a rebrand

9800gtx+>gts250 is a rebrand

 

290>390 is a rebrand

290x>390x is a rebrand

There are a ton more but those are what I can list off the top of my head. 

[79wjd]

On 4/3/2016 at 1:24 AM, jkeasley said:

One thing that I don't like about this, is the fact that they say that the 290X was rebranded to the 390X. A new card is never a rebrand and people should learn that. If nvidia made new cards (like the 970, 980 etc) and the 390X beats some of them, then how is it a rebrand? This is clearly not a reputable site as they are heavily biased towards nvidia

The performance is irrelevant. Either a card is a rebrand or it's a brand new card. Whether or not that makes a difference to the consumer is something else entirely -- but that doesn't change the fact that AMDs current lineup (Fury excluded) is basically all rebranded. 

6 hours ago, kurahk7 said:

7950>7950boost is a rebrand

7950boost>280 is a rebrand

8800gt>9800gt is a rebrand

9800gtx+>gts250 is a rebrand

 

290>390 is a rebrand

290x>390x is a rebrand

There are a ton more but those are what I can list off the top of my head. 

7770 > 250x

7790 > 260x

7850 > 265

7870 ghz > 270

680 > 770 

285 > 380

260 > 360

265 > 370

 

[samcool55]

On 4/2/2016 at 5:44 PM, Prysin said:

if you haven't noticed that trend before now, then seriously, what have you been doing for the past 4 years worth of reviews?

I have noticed that before, my 6950 is more than 5 years old and it is still keeping up suprisingly well, it still runs the latest titles at 1080p and usually 60fps or close to that, i do have to turn down the details to medium-low usually but if you look at it's age that's no suprise.

 

And i was planning to get polaris anyway  

[grayperview]

8 hours ago, kurahk7 said:

7950>7950boost is a rebrand

7950boost>280 is a rebrand

8800gt>9800gt is a rebrand

9800gtx+>gts250 is a rebrand

 

290>390 is a rebrand with an extra 4GB, higher clocks and lower temps

29 0x>390x is a rebrand with an extra 4GB, higher clocks and lower temps

There are a ton more but those are what I can list off the top of my head. 

Fixed...

[Prysin]

On 03/04/2016 at 7:19 AM, Shahnewaz said:

Can we get enough people to ask @LinusTech or @Slick to test the HD7970 and the GTX680 using launch drivers and then the latest drivers? Please?

all you gonna get is a half-arsed test anyway.

LMG is no longer producing factually relevant content. They are "click-whoring". They'd make a video just to get likes and subscribes. The content of the video would be whatever.

[Orangeator]

2 hours ago, Prysin said:

all you gonna get is a half-arsed test anyway.

LMG is no longer producing factually relevant content. They are "click-whoring". They'd make a video just to get likes and subscribes. The content of the video would be whatever.

Wow, a lot of people really are up set with the quality of there recent content. I don't think they "click whoring" intentionally. I think they are just making more "fun" content for the average Joe to enjoy and follow along. I personally love when they get technical charts and the facts of a product, which sadly they haven't been doing lately (besides Lukes video of the wireless mouse which was awesome). However their content is more applicable to the general user, which in return does gain them a larger audience. 

[Prysin]

28 minutes ago, Orangeator said:

Wow, a lot of people really are up set with the quality of there recent content. I don't think they "click whoring" intentionally. I think they are just making more "fun" content for the average Joe to enjoy and follow along. I personally love when they get technical charts and the facts of a product, which sadly they haven't been doing lately (besides Lukes video of the wireless mouse which was awesome). However their content is more applicable to the general user, which in return does gain them a larger audience. 

their fanbase was based upon enthusiasts and PC builders. Now its based on your average teen.

[Mr.Meerkat]

On 3/31/2016 at 5:30 PM, xAcid9 said:

I want to see the battle between first 28nm flagship, the 7970 vs 680 with their release driver vs current one.  D:

7970, just look at 280x and you've got the scores and for 680s, gotta do some research  

[Mr.Meerkat]

18 hours ago, GamerDude said:

That's why I've put off any GPU upgrades since I'm sitting pretty with my 2x R9 290X, together with my aged i7 3960X, they can still handle a lot of games maxed out. I've read reviews that compare DX12 performance between NVidia and AMD cards, seems GCN is better suited for DX12. Despite that, and just so I can say I have a couple of Titans, I'd grabbed a pair of GTX Titan 6GB from a local forum Garage Section since the seller was selling them at a good price, even built an i7 4770K rig just for them. Gonna get a 34" 21:9 Ultra Wide monitor to use with the CF'ed 290X and SLi'd Titan rigs.

 

Will wait for actual game benchmarks of Polaris and Zen before I'd entertain any thought of upgrade. I now have two CFX systems (another with 2x HD7950) as well as two SLi rigs (including a 2x GTX670 rig). With my present rigs, I guess I can afford to wait for the dust to settle on Pascal and Polaris before I'd jump on either.....I'm hoping Zen would be able to match or surpass Skylake in terms of raw performance.....not interested in clockspeed nonsense.

Well you have the perfect cards to do benchies to see whether Nvidia cards have aged better or AMD cards have aged better , you have 7950s which were the direct competitor for the 670s and you have 290Xs which were basically made to kill the titans...