i3-4170 or FX-6300?

[dialgarocksful]

Here's also some other users that I'll possibly buy on:

 

https://tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=pchub

https://tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=dynaquestpc

[Prysin]

1 minute ago, dialgarocksful said:

https://tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=39155346 -- more of a forum style ebay for new and used items

 

Dont buy that board.

First of all, it has NO VRM HEATSINK. Overclocking on that board would cause it to catch fire. Yes, FLAMES WOULD RISE FROM IT!!!!

Second of all. EWWWW that is a discusting color

Third of all. DONT DO IT!!!

[dialgarocksful]

Just now, Prysin said:

Dont buy that board.

First of all, it has NO VRM HEATSINK. Overclocking on that board would cause it to catch fire. Yes, FLAMES WOULD RISE FROM IT!!!!

Second of all. EWWWW that is a discusting color

Third of all. DONT DO IT!!!

anything you can suggest from these stores?

 

1 minute ago, dialgarocksful said:

Here's also some other users that I'll possibly buy on:

 

https://tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=pchub

https://tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=dynaquestpc

 

[Prysin]

2 minutes ago, dialgarocksful said:

Here's also some other users that I'll possibly buy on:

 

https://tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=pchub

https://tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=dynaquestpc

https://tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=39161284

 

If you can get that. you'd be fucking GOLDEN... that board is one of THE BEST OC boards for FX. I Own it myself, it is a fucking beast when it comes to OC...

[Majestic]

Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P is the best value, just find a different shop...

[Prysin]

4 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P is the best value, just find a different shop...

https://tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=39161284

 

If the price on this thing is 6000 PHP, that is 129 USD....

The Gigabyte 970 UD3P costs 6550 PHP brand new...

 

Honestly... Sabertooth > UD3P any day man...

 

990FX has 42 PCIe Gen2 lanes and way more USB ports, vs 22 for the 970 chipset....

[dialgarocksful]

9 minutes ago, Prysin said:

Dont buy that board.

First of all, it has NO VRM HEATSINK. Overclocking on that board would cause it to catch fire. Yes, FLAMES WOULD RISE FROM IT!!!!

Second of all. EWWWW that is a discusting color

Third of all. DONT DO IT!!!

anything you can suggest from these stores?

 

10 minutes ago, dialgarocksful said:

Here's also some other users that I'll possibly buy on:

 

https://tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=pchub

https://tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=dynaquestpc

I was gonna buy a motherboard for this month, but since 990FX costs 6000, think I would move it to May since I will be having a small job that would gain me 5000. For now, I think I'd prep the power supply Thanks

 

(dialgarocksful.blogspot.com -- fixing my blog post)

 

[Prysin]

Just now, dialgarocksful said:

anything you can suggest from these stores?

 

I was gonna buy a motherboard for this month, but since 990FX costs 6000, think I would move it to May since I will be having a small job that would gain me 5000. For now, I think I'd prep the power supply Thanks

 

(dialgarocksful.blogspot.com -- fixing my blog post)

 

get the 990FX man. If you can, get it ASAP before someone else does it. That board is a beast!!!

 

If you can get a used FX6300 or FX 8350 on the cheap, then that board will handle it no problem.

[Majestic]

8 minutes ago, Prysin said:

https://tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=39161284

 

If the price on this thing is 6000 PHP, that is 129 USD....

The Gigabyte 970 UD3P costs 6550 PHP brand new...

 

Honestly... Sabertooth > UD3P any day man...

 

990FX has 42 PCIe Gen2 lanes and way more USB ports, vs 22 for the 970 chipset....

Hence I said, find a different shop. UD3P is like 70 euro's in holland.

[dialgarocksful]

3 minutes ago, Prysin said:

get the 990FX man. If you can, get it ASAP before someone else does it. That board is a beast!!!

 

If you can get a used FX6300 or FX 8350 on the cheap, then that board will handle it no problem.

I found that store isn't as popular as I listed, hopefully I could get it by May

[Prysin]

Just now, Majestic said:

Hence I said, find a different shop. UD3P is like 70 euro's in holland.

doesnt help when he lives in the Philipines. Look at his "location" and the shops he are linking to.... Manila... Capitol of the Philipines.

dude, shipping is NOT cheap outside Europe, Schengen brings benefits when it comes to shipping costs, but if you want to buy from EU to a foreign country... OUCH...

[dialgarocksful]

1 minute ago, Prysin said:

doesnt help when he lives in the Philipines. Look at his "location" and the shops he are linking to.... Manila... Capitol of the Philipines.

dude, shipping is NOT cheap outside Europe, Schengen brings benefits when it comes to shipping costs, but if you want to buy from EU to a foreign country... OUCH...

shipping is a corruption crime here. buy a 2500PhP worth item, Customs would charge 8000PhP for customs tax

[s3ns3]

17 minutes ago, Prysin said:

no its not.

Skylake i3 is equal to a FX 8350

Haswell i3 is equal to a FX 6300

Haswell i5 is equal or better then a FX 8350

Skylake i5 superior in every way.

 

"You can stream 720p just fine with the i3"

Depends entirely on the fucking game he decides to stream.

Minecraft? SURE.

WoW/GW2/AA raids? NO, due to heavy CPU loads that MMOs produces

CSGO? Most likely not an issue, unless he is running a high Hz panel, in which case streaming would eat into his drawcalls.

 

If the argument is "upgrading"... getting a Haswell i5 is a waste of money. a skylake i3 costs less and performs the same. Ironically, in some cases FX can actually match a Haswell i5 in performance. However it is not consistent at matching it. It depends on the game.

how did you came to the conclusion that skylake i3 equals an fx 8350? or that other cpus equals to others? please explain that couse i dont get it.

skylake i3 is not equal to fx 8350. i3 is better at gaming than an overclocked fx 8350. but it still loses in multithread. how is that equal? but i cant recommend an fx 8350 unless all you do all day is unzip and zip files. since it cost as much as an i5.

again haswell i3 is not equal to fx 6300. same story here. i3 better for gaming,a heck lot better for the games OP mentioned,but loses in multithread.

http://www.techspot.com/review/943-best-value-desktop-cpu/page6.html

 

and i dont know why you even mention streaming wow and gw2 since they are cpu bound hence any amd cpu is preety shitty for them. stream them ok but play them shit or what do you imply? a pentium with quick sync streaming would a lot better than any amd cpu for those type of games

 

and no skylake i3 does not perform the same as an i5 haswell. where the hell did you get that? and its not a waste of money since you don`t have to change the motherboard and i was talking about what he can do in the future when he will afford it.

you have any other great ideeas? maybe now you`ll tell me that going from an i3 haswell to i3 skylake is a good ideea. couse according to you i3=i5. 

[Guest]

boards being suggested are overkill

 

With an entry level aftermarket air cooler (the 212 suggested) you're going to hit thermal limits before hitting OC limits of a decent board or the CPU. 

 

You're going to need a 240 liquid cooler to use the potential of some of these boards. 

 

We're talking moderate OC's, not 5GHz... 

[Nena Trinity]

i3 has better upgrade path but FX-6300 is equally good to better depending on OC or not, if you play games that is optimized for Dual-Core only like DayZ or Arma stay away from the FX if only AAA titles and you plan on WIndows 10 go for FX if you are not gonna upgrade in a while...

[dialgarocksful]

Just now, Nena360 said:

i3 has better upgrade path but FX-6300 is equally good to better depending on OC or not, if you play games that is optimized for Dual-Core only like DayZ or Arma stay away from the FX if only AAA titles and you plan on WIndows 10 go for FX if you are not gonna upgrade in a while...

I'll be upgrading to 8320/8350 after 2-3 years (or if the CPU fails prior), and yes I'll be using Win10 as my OS

[Nena Trinity]

1 minute ago, dialgarocksful said:

I'll be upgrading to 8320/8350 after 2-3 years (or if the CPU fails prior), and yes I'll be using Win10 as my OS

Yeah but the downside to FX-83X0 is that single-core performance is not really upgradeable  from FX-6300 to FX-83X0 and OC is a cheaper upgrade path if so... (if you play AAA titles single-thread may not be as important but there are games that only uses 2-cores which can be a  bummer)

[HelplmChoking]

FX most definitely does stutter in games, OC'ing from 4.0GHz to 4.5GHz on my 8320 (yes I know they're actually 3.5GHz but shh, but is 4.0 at 1.32V) gives a noticeable improvement in many games, e.g Far Cry 3 and GTA V where it was even bottlenecking my 270x in some situations. If you can get a nice high clock speed (4.4GHz was creeping up to 60C+ under 100% load, which tends to occur while rendering), you'll game fine. In 2-3 years you mentioned going to an 8 core, but by then those CPUs will be ooooooold stuff. I'm in the process of moving to an E5-2670 Xeon for better rendering, and it should even game better despite a lower speed. 

All that being said, I think a bit of stuttering (really not crazy bad) is a fair price to pay for much better rendering, since you'll have all dem cores.

[Prysin]

31 minutes ago, s3ns3 said:

how did you came to the conclusion that skylake i3 equals an fx 8350? or that other cpus equals to others? please explain that couse i dont get it.

skylake i3 is not equal to fx 8350. i3 is better at gaming than an overclocked fx 8350. but it still loses in multithread. how is that equal? but i cant recommend an fx 8350 unless all you do all day is unzip and zip files. since it cost as much as an i5.

again haswell i3 is not equal to fx 6300. same story here. i3 better for gaming,a heck lot better for the games OP mentioned,but loses in multithread.

http://www.techspot.com/review/943-best-value-desktop-cpu/page6.html

 

and i dont know why you even mention streaming wow and gw2 since they are cpu bound hence any amd cpu is preety shitty for them. stream them ok but play them shit or what do you imply? a pentium with quick sync streaming would a lot better than any amd cpu for those type of games

 

and no skylake i3 does not perform the same as an i5 haswell. where the hell did you get that? and its not a waste of money since you don`t have to change the motherboard and i was talking about what he can do in the future when he will afford it.

you have any other great ideeas? maybe now you`ll tell me that going from an i3 haswell to i3 skylake is a good ideea. couse according to you i3=i5. 

Techspot? really? That benchmarking site has been debunked a long time ago for being inconsistent and inaccurate in their testing methodology. Incase you doubt me, ask
@Majestic how much he trusts that site....

 

Also, want proof of FX being equal to an i3?

 

 

Anandtech Benchmarks:

FX 6350 (has more tests done to it then 6300) vs Core i3 4360

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1281?vs=1197

 

FX 6350 vs Core i5 4690

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1281?vs=1198

 

FX 8350 vs Core i3 4360

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=1197

 

FX 8350 vs Core i5 4690

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/697?vs=1198

 

Digital Foundry Videos:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other Youtube videos:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some low quality tests:

 

 

 

 

@Majestic you may have some interest in looking into this cideo.

go to 37:00 and listen from that point.... Yes, it is about the old days, but they tested newer parts with and without Intels compiler... If this shit is true, damn man.... thats BAD... It means AMDs CPUs realistically isnt nearly as bad as synthetic benchmarks suggest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HelplmChoking]

6 minutes ago, Prysin said:

*snip*

It really really depends on workload. If its something that benefits from cores, like the rendering OP said he'll be doing, an FX-8xxx will thrash any i3, purely on account of its cores. Even an i5 is a close run. You can't just say this = that when they're made for different this. That's like saying a Corolla = BMW 320i, because they're both 2.0 litre engines, even though they're completely different things, for different jobs.

[Majestic]

lol that techspot link. i3-4360 being equal in Crysis 3 to the i5. Definitely a game that uses all threads/cores available. It should put the i5 well on top, unless it's hitting some GPU bottleneck or they're just flatout fabricating results.

haha, that site is pure pandering gold.

 

 

 

 

Made a topic in my sig explaining why everyone should avoid this website. This is just more proof.

[Majestic]

29 minutes ago, Prysin said:

 

@Majestic you may have some interest in looking into this cideo.

go to 37:00 and listen from that point.... Yes, it is about the old days, but they tested newer parts with and without Intels compiler... If this shit is true, damn man.... thats BAD... It means AMDs CPUs realistically isnt nearly as bad as synthetic benchmarks suggest.

 

Yep, which is why I was rolling with an AMD Athlon 3800+ X2 back in the days. But even if true, that doesn't change the real-world results right now with current architectures.

It is pretty shitty nontheless. But I'm not going to buy subpar parts to make a statement. The i5-760 was a vast improvement over the 3800+. And my 4670K was a vast improvement over that aswell. Nothing from AMD came close, synthetic or not.

 

So yes, it was shitty. But ultimately irrelevant now.

[Prysin]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

Yep, which is why I was rolling with an AMD Athlon 3800+ X2 back in the days. But even if true, that doesn't change the real-world results right now with current architectures.

It is pretty shitty nontheless. But I'm not going to buy subpar parts to make a statement. The i5-760 was a vast improvement over the 3800+. And my 4670K was a vast improvement over that aswell. Nothing from AMD came close, synthetic or not.

 

So yes, it was shitty. But ultimately irrelevant now.

well, the PoVray version they tested was the current version (in 2014)... and it was recompiled by that dude probably around 2014... And it was tested with Hardware released in 2014...

 

Meaning atleast up until 2 years ago, Intels "cheating" could still very well be in effect. After all the lawsuit that AMD put forward only required intel to pay damage and state that "real world performance may or may not reflect benchmark performance"....

Meaning intel wasnt required to fix their compiler "cheat", they werent even banned from keep doing it. They were required to publically state that synthetics may or may not represent actual performance of the product. Which in turn means, even if they are still keeping it up, aslong as Intel does not claim that the synthetics using the cheat is proof of actual performance, they arent breaking the law. Technically...

 

A lot of if's and but's.... however in the end, it does make one question a few things, especially if you look at Anandtechs benches... everything is fine and dandy, intel is leading big until you hit the gaming section, and suddenly, FX is neck'n'neck with Intel, despite trailing badly in the synthetics.

 

Which is why i question if the single core performance REALLY is 65-70% higher in intel..... It is higher for sure, but games show less then 40% higher performance on average. Which makes no bloody sense....

[Majestic]

4 minutes ago, Prysin said:

Which is why i question if the single core performance REALLY is 65-70% higher in intel..... It is higher for sure, but games show less then 40% higher performance on average. Which makes no bloody sense....

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1543?vs=697

 

Check out for example the Dolphin Emulator. That does show the same difference, and it's also reflected by the way AMD's are unable to run games like Metroid Prime, Starfox and Super Mario Sunshine but Intel's are.

 

I think the gains in games are just too complicated to expect lineair gains.

[s3ns3]

44 minutes ago, Prysin said:

Techspot? really? That benchmarking site has been debunked a long time ago for being inconsistent and inaccurate in their testing methodology.

and where exactly is the equalness in the links you posted? where? or are you referring to gpu bound triple A titles? yeah i know they perform similar in those games but how exactly does that referr to overall performance?

and what about recommending FX chips for the type of games the OP specified? where intel can have more than 50% performance than any amd chip? like your WoW streaming example.