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[UPDATED WITH EVERYTHING WE KNOW] AMD hosting AMA on Reddit Today (March 3rd)

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1 hour ago, DocSwag said:

You can't ask about Zen... they specifically said don't talk about Zen because it is still super secret, which implies that they won't answer anything about Zen.

Rtg...thought it was entirely AMD

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linkz pls

Just go to their Youtube channel.

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3 hours ago, Kloaked said:

AMD has generally been good at being forthcoming (aside from Richard Huddy bullshitting a lot to the press).

 

I hope some good questions are asked on the thread and not just some simpleminded "WHERE IS POLARIS" questions, but more specifically what Polaris will be changing compared to previous iterations.

i hope someone asks about tesselation/geometry front end. Because whilst they improved it with Tonga/Fiji, they still got ways to go to catch up with Maxwell, let alone Pascal.

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This is one of the many new ideologies RTG has started pursuing in recent times – driving home the impression of competency.

xD I love how the idea that they should be giving the impression of competency is a new revelation to them!

 

True or not, that's a funny quote! :P

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The AMA has started guys! https://www.reddit.com/user/AMD_Robert This is the guy answering all the questions.


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Very nice to see that the ask me anything is saying topics are off limits even when they are on the approved list turning out to be more of a marketing stunt then a AMA 

 

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How are you guys going to cool the FuryX2? Is it going to be a blower like the dev kits Roy Taylor has been posting or is it going to be a liquid cooling loop like the 295x2? Also any idea of a price point?

With all due respect to Tizaki, he was erroneous in placing dual Fury on the list of kosher topics

 

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2 minutes ago, Sunako said:

Very nice to see that the ask me anything is saying topics are off limits even when they are on the approved list turning out to be more of a marketing stunt then a AMA 

 

 

Most AMAs are marketing stunts (if not all). However the person creating the thread doesn't work for AMD - merely a moderator on that subreddit. So there's bound to be some slip-ups. Besides, did anyone really expect to get specific product information on unreleased products? That would be a bit naive.

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On 3/2/2016 at 8:46 AM, DocSwag said:

AMD is making drivers for Linux

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Unfortunately, what I am seeing seems to be that we won't be able to glean as much info about Polaris and the furyx2 as we hoped... We won't get any info about the furyx2 and will only get some small details about Polaris. It seems we won't know much about Polaris for at least 2 months or so. The only stuff I've found is that:

  • Polaris is 14nm exclusive
  • Polaris will use DP 1.3
  • Polaris support h.265 decode up to 4k

Honestly, that's not a lot of info, and most of it we already knew or could infer.

We might get some more info about other stuff like VR and stuff though, though even then not too much.


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In regards to Polaris can you discuss any of the GPUs we could be seeing sometime in the near future, like the Fury and FuryX successor, are we going to see a low profile card like the Nano again?

We will discuss specific SKUs and form factors when Polaris launches mid-year.

 

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AMD; "Hey, let's host an AMA on reddit. But we won't tell them anything they don't already know." :ph34r:

 

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can someone ask how big the die will be and what is the TDP for the flagship?

Will we see Fury performance at 100W or are we going to see 2.5x faster than Fury at 275W?

The 2.5x perf/w is misleading at the very least.

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On 3/2/2016 at 10:05 AM, MEC-777 said:

I would like to ask them to comment on how they said Fiji would be "an overclocker's dream" yet turned out to be very poor at overclocking in reality. They must have known in testing they were already running the silicon near it's limits. Just genuinely curious. Were they maybe expecting better yields/chips or...?  

 

Also curious if they are replacing their entire mainstream line of GPUs (from R7 series and up) in the up coming generation? I doubt they will be able to answer that fully though. ;)

If I may, my conspiracy theory is it was only supposed to be marginally faster than the 980, and the 980ti forced them to push it to the limits in order to have some semblance of competitiveness.


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7 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

If I may, my conspiracy theory is it was only supposed to be marginally faster than the 980, and the 980ti forced them to push it to the limits in order to have some semblance of competitiveness.

I can concede that is what might have actually happened, however, the Titan X and 980Ti were already released when that statement was made. So they already knew it would barely match the 980Ti, when that statement was made. ;) 


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3 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

I can concede that is what might have actually happened, however, the Titan X and 980Ti were already released when that statement was made. So they already knew it would barely match the 980Ti, when that statement was made. ;) 

If I remember correctly, that statement was made by someone in charge of cooling during a cooling related discussion. In that context, it makes perfect sense. It's also very likely that the people in charge of cooling design do not know the performance of the chip until release, only the power output to design the cooling around.

 

Basically, it was a statement during a discussion about cooling that has been taken WAAAAYYYYY out of context.

 

But whatever, what's been said has been said, and can't be changed now. Maybe the internet should take some time to understand situations before shouting about everything.

 

 

So far, this AMA has been a bit of a let-down, but that's generally how these corporate sponsored events go.


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18 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

I can concede that that is what might have actually happened, however, the Titan X and 980Ti were already released when that statement was made. So they already knew it would barely match the 980Ti, when that statement was made. ;) 

But the statement had to have been prepared at the least days/weeks in advance. I believe it was originally supposed to slide between the 980 and Titan X, and the 980ti surprise launch (well relatively speaking) right before the supposed original Fury X launch really might have messed shit up internally.

 

After all remember how hard is was to get ANY Fury X cards at launch? This makes me think this sort of timeline

 

Mid March:

  • Titan X launches.
  • 390x (Fiji X) rumors still indicate 8GB variants
  • AMD it totes ok cause it's a stupid high cost high bar to compete with *speculation*

Mid April:

  • a leak begins to swirl about the 980ti launch (quite literally out of the blue)
  • Fiji X leaks indicate pricing around 800-900 dollars (and 4GB of HBM)
  • AMD gets worried and as time goes on likely begins upclocking Fiji products *speculation*

Mid May:

  • The 980ti seems like a certainty, 650-700 USD pricing effectively confirmed
  • Fiji X begins swirling as "Fury", pricing rumors drop from mid 800s to 700-750 or so
  • AMD makes comments about overclockers dream card (likely from before they knew internally exactly how good the 980ti was going to be)

June:

  • 980ti launches, Fury X now has to effectively compete directly with a Titan X with aftermarket availability
  • AMD MUST push Fiji to the limit to compete (kinda) *speculation*, leading to low yields and shortages of products/review samples at launch
  • AMD also has to launch Fiji at 650 dollars as well, hitting their profit on the card.

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5 minutes ago, Masada02 said:

If I remember correctly, that statement was made by someone in charge of cooling during a cooling related discussion. In that context, it makes perfect sense. It's also very likely that the people in charge of cooling design do not know the performance of the chip until release, only the power output to design the cooling around.

 

Basically, it was a statement during a discussion about cooling that has been taken WAAAAYYYYY out of context.

 

But whatever, what's been said has been said, and can't be changed now. Maybe the internet should take some time to understand situations before shouting about everything.

That is definitely another possibility. I still think just based on the direction the rumors took (compared to normally knowing basically everything about the card weeks in advance of launch) that AMD must have been taken by surprise by a lower cost 980ti (I mean after all, the entire rest of the tech world was, at least at the start of the rumors and how quickly they became effectively confirmed...)


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38 minutes ago, DXMember said:

can someone ask how big the die will be and what is the TDP for the flagship?

Will we see Fury performance at 100W or are we going to see 2.5x faster than Fury at 275W?

The 2.5x perf/w is misleading at the very least.

We want big-die monster chips!!!

 

What are the prognoses on the next die shrink? Can we achieve 16k per eye @ 144Hz by 2020?

I asked about the die, though not the TDP.

Unfortunately though, I don't think it will be answered since he did mention no details about Polaris until another AMA later this year.


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can anyone ask if we will see in Crimson working preset, like in catalyst, since they may be there, but they dont work, and u are forced to use catalyst in that case (i need to have 500mhz clock minimum, otherwise i got screen corruption with crimson)


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15 minutes ago, Masada02 said:

If I remember correctly, that statement was made by someone in charge of cooling during a cooling related discussion. In that context, it makes perfect sense. It's also very likely that the people in charge of cooling design do not know the performance of the chip until release, only the power output to design the cooling around.

 

Basically, it was a statement during a discussion about cooling that has been taken WAAAAYYYYY out of context.

 

But whatever, what's been said has been said, and can't be changed now. Maybe the internet should take some time to understand situations before shouting about everything.

 

 

So far, this AMA has been a bit of a let-down, but that's generally how these corporate sponsored events go.

First off, nobody is shouting (I'm not anyways). Just pointing out that a statement was made when they (I would assume) knew what the card could do. I'm not saying it's not possible the 980ti threw them for a loop. The release dates for all these cards were very close and maybe they thought it was going to be fast enough at 900mhz stock clocks? I don't know. Again, Just pointing it out is all. 

 

Found the video. If you go to 13:30 he starts talking about how "we built these for the overclockers" and goes on to talk about the power phase etc. 

 

Sounds to me like they were pretty confident in it's OC capabilities before the hard launch. Again, I'm not upset, nor am I shouting. If things changed significantly between this presentation and the hard launch, then I can understand and accept that as an answer. I'm just curious to know what happened. ;)


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13 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

That is definitely another possibility. I still think just based on the direction the rumors took (compared to normally knowing basically everything about the card weeks in advance of launch) that AMD must have been taken by surprise by a lower cost 980ti (I mean after all, the entire rest of the tech world was, at least at the start of the rumors and how quickly they became effectively confirmed...)

I don't doubt that at all. I think AMD probably designed the chip around what they thought Nvidia would release then Nvidia released something a lot better than everyone thought. I'd bet the highly strung chips were meant to be like that from the start, but only the chip design people knew it had no headroom left.

 

Although the 2 Fury X's that I had OCd quite well up to 1195mhz on the core. I realized after I sold them that they were basically golden chips, but whatever. Some people got some good deals on those, haha. 


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6 minutes ago, Masada02 said:

I don't doubt that at all. I think AMD probably designed the chip around what they thought Nvidia would release then Nvidia released something a lot better than everyone thought. I'd bet the highly strung chips were meant to be like that from the start, but only the chip design people knew it had no headroom left.

 

Although the 2 Fury X's that I had OCd quite well up to 1195mhz on the core. I realized after I sold them that they were basically golden chips, but whatever. Some people got some good deals on those, haha. 

I would argue you are saying the same thing as I am, but wow you did have two really nice onces...


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Best comment was asking about the names of his guinea pigs names or imagining him playing rocket league in his boxer shorts. 

gold.

 

Other than that a snore fest. Hyped up with a massive letdown. Typical amd.

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