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AMD Zen to Bring Greater than 40% IPC Increase, New Reports Suggests

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AMD Zen to Bring Greater than 40% IPC Increase, New Reports Suggests

 

It’s no secret that AMD is currently struggling against Intel and Nvidia due to having less competitive products in the declining market for personal-computer components. The US-based chipmaker recently reported a 10% decline in 2015 revenue and an overall 28% decline in full year revenue.

 

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However, AMD is hoping to make a come back later this year when the company will launch their next generation Zen architecture. Built on a 14 nanometer architecture, AMD Zen was originally expected to bring up to 40% improvement in instructions per clock (IPC) over their current lineup. However, according to a new report from the company, Zen may be performing better than their early estimates, with greater than 40% IPC increase over current generation.

 

During the Q4 Earning call Lisa Su said:

 

In client computing our opportunities to regain share in 2016 will be driven by our design win momentum, continued progress expanding into the commercial market and reentering the high performance desktop market late in the year with our Zen based Summit Ridge CPU. Our second growth pillar is in the $15 billion plus datacenter and infrastructure markets, driven by our FirePro GPU’s and next-generation service CPU’s. Our Zen based CPU development is on track to achieve greater than 40% IPC uplift from our previous generation and we’re on schedule to sample later this year.

AMD believes the new architecture would mark the company’s “re-entry” into the high-performance desktop market as it will bring instruction set parity with competitors and a reworked and more balanced design. Zen will come with a unified AM-4 socket bringing support for DDR4 memory and other technologies.

 

The Summit Ridge FX CPUs family will be supported on the latest AM4 motherboards that will feature latest I/O compatibility and DDR4 memory support. The AM4 motherboards will be housing the latest Promontory PCH which will allow SATA Express/NVMe and USB 3.1 support.

The faster it is going to be the better for AMD.  I would take those statements with a grain of salt because of all the claims they made about the overclocking capabilities of the fury cards and how it turned out.

 

Source:http://techfrag.com/2016/01/21/amd-zen-to-bring-greater-than-40-ipc-increase-new-report-suggests/

http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-summit-ridge-launch-q4-2016/

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3820126-advanced-micro-devices-amd-ceo-lisa-su-q4-2015-results-earnings-call-transcript?page=1

http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/cpu_mainboard/amd_s_zen_will_have_a_greater_than_40_ipc_improvement/1

 


 


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I might actually wait on the Xeon I wanted...


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As always, if it's from AMD themselves, take it with a grain a salt...

 

BUT I WANT TO BELIEVE


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Damn, if this is true, AMD will finally go back to business, and I am selling my Xeon then  :lol:


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40% from bulldozer?   :lol:


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If I can get a quad-core with haswell or better IPC, I will ditch my Sandy Bridge i7 for sure.


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It’s no secret that AMD is currently struggling against Intel and Nvidia due to having less competitive products 

 

man, is that ever a loaded statement. AMD is struggling against Intel for far different reasons than their struggle with Nvidia. AMD might not have a high end CPU, but they certainly trade blows with Nvidia, non-stop for years now.


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If I can build a no compromises gaming machine with Zen. I will do so.


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As always, if it's from AMD themselves, take it with a grain a salt...

 

BUT I WANT TO BELIEVE

not very hard to believe though..

 

it's a brand new architecture (not bulldozer derivative) and it's a new (for AMD) 14nm finfet. So most likely it's going to be more than the incremental improvements that we have seen in the last few years. This doesn't mean that they will beat Intel, but at least the gap is going to be narrowed which allows AMD to get some market share.

 

Bulldozer overall was a failure. If you look back to the leadup to initial bulldozer launch you will see that AMD was not making claims regarding IPC and power consumption. They knew that they had failed to hit their goals. That's why they were only talking about things like high resolution gaming, because when the GPU is a bottleneck bulldozer is no slower than Intel... things look more positive this time.

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man, is that ever a loaded statement. AMD is struggling against Intel for far different reasons than their struggle with Nvidia. AMD might not have a high end CPU, but they certainly trade blows with Nvidia, non-stop for years now.

ya AMD and Nvidia do not seem to have any overall technical edge over one another. Even if one has a victory the other is always there or thereabouts with 15% of the same performance. AMDs main issues in the GPU space are marketing and distribution related. e.g. some people still spread nonsense (AMD drivers suck) which gets reinforced each time an issue crops up. Nvidia doesn't have to deal with that, they have plenty of serious issues but people tend to criticize them for those particular issues rather than making blanket statements (nvidia sucks), the brand name strength of geforce helps the perception I guess. This is a marketing issue which AMD has to eventually sort out especially amongst the less tech savvy or prejudiced. What I have noticed is that AMD GPUs tend to sell better amongst tech savvy people who research. But probably the average PC gamer who only looks up stuff when he needs to buy a GPU or randomly walks into a shop is more comfortable with the 'geforce' brand name.

 

Intel on the other-hand is a juggernaut and it seems to be an uphill battle against them in technical terms. The only thing that must be encouraging for AMD is that Intel too has slowed down performance gains of late (maybe due to physics and natural limits). So even if AMD cannot beat them they probably have hope that they can narrow the gap enough to start selling CPUs at decent profit margins in bigger quantities than now.

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not very hard to believe though..

 

it's a brand new architecture (not bulldozer derivative) and it's a new (for AMD) 14nm finfet. So most likely it's going to be more than the incremental improvements that we have seen in the last few years. This doesn't mean that they will beat Intel, but at least the gap is going to be narrowed which allows AMD to get some market share.

 

Bulldozer overall was a failure. If you look back to the leadup to initial bulldozer launch you will see that AMD was not making claims regarding IPC and power consumption. They knew that they had failed to hit their goals. That's why they were only talking about things like high resolution gaming, because when the GPU is a bottleneck bulldozer is no slower than Intel... things look more positive this time.

 

It hasn't hard to believe, yes, but usually AMD's claims leading up to a product's launch have been sort of a hit or miss (Fiji anyone?).

 

Here's hoping it's somewhat accurate this time.


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AMD 8-core with Haswell-or-better IPC? Sign me up

 

I'll settle for Ivy Bridge IPC and no microcode bugs.


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40% from bulldozer?   :lol:

 

Ya I was wondering the same thing. But I mean 40% is still quite a bit. :P


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Yep... we've been had before.

Grain of salt still stands strong.

If it turns out to be true, I'd be happy to get on it and experience its strengths.


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The only problem is no one needs an 8 core zen.Its nice to have but its too late most of the people already have i3's /i5's.

Unless the next generation games/programs will start requiring such a cpu it will not be a sale success.The cpu arhitecture might be but it comes at a bad time.

Im sure intel has something up their sleeve they havent thrown any peformance in their cpu's since sandy bridge, if amd comes with an 8 core 300$ overclockable monster that trump's the i7 k edition then Intel will have to respond, if i were intel i would have saved something for a time like this during all that monopoly time.

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The only problem is no one needs an 8 core zen.Its nice to have but its too late most of the people already have i3's /i5's.

how about stuff like video editing, encoding, image processing etc? It will probably rock on those tasks compared to i3 / i5

 

Obviously not required for typical user...

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how about stuff like video editing, encoding, image processing etc? It will probably rock on those tasks compared to i3 / i5

 

Obviously not required for typical user...

Which isn't optimal if you want to sell volume, the largest market is where you want to place your product if you want to maximize profit.


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If they said 40% they only designed for 40%, I don't buy this as the design hasn't change (since it was finalized when they made those claims)

They might have derated a bit to cover their asses until they did further testing.


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"Overclockers Dream"

Yep... we've been had before.

Grain of salt still stands strong.

If it turns out to be true, I'd be happy to get on it and experience its strengths.

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40% from bulldozer?   :lol:

 

if it's from vishera it would be enough to catch up to haswell.


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Sauron'stm Product Scores:

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Just a list of my personal scores for some products, in no particular order, with brief comments. I just got the idea to do them so they aren't many for now :)

Don't take these as complete reviews or final truths - they are just my personal impressions on products I may or may not have used, summed up in a couple of sentences and a rough score. All scores take into account the unit's price and time of release, heavily so, therefore don't expect absolute performance to be reflected here.

 

-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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They might have derated a bit to cover their asses until they did further testing.

Well it's possible but trusting amd with performance numbers, is like trusting Nvidia with long term support, or better yet EA with a franchise, can it happen to be true yes, but the odds are not in favor of it.


https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/ Tier Breakdown (My understanding)--1 Godly, 2 Great, 3 Good, 4 Average, 5 Meh, 6 Bad, 7 Awful

 

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