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Posted · Original PosterOP

Just bought i7 4790 last sunday because I was too excited to build my PC and i7 4790k was not on stock and I have all my parts except for the CPU.

 

Did I just made a mistake of going on the non K version? Did I miss out the glory of the K version? Are the manufacturing process of making the CPU's the same?

 

Even though I am not overclocking, I feel disappointed/dissatisfied buying the non K version. :(

 

I know that the K has .5 ghz advantage (base clock).


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You wouldn't be able to notice any difference at all. It doesn't matter. You did the right thing.
 


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You made the right choice if you're not overclocking and don't need that minor clock speed bump.

 

One option you may consider if you can still return the 4790 would be the Xeon E3 1231 V3. It's exactly the same CPU, except it lacks an integrated GPU. If you already have a dedicated graphics card, this can save you ~$70+.

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You made the right choice if you're not overclocking and don't need that minor clock speed bump.

 

One option you may consider if you can still return the 4790 would be the Xeon E3 1231 V3. It's exactly the same CPU, except it lacks an integrated GPU. If you already have a dedicated graphics card, this can save you ~$70+.

was about to post this exact thing :)


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Posted · Original PosterOP

You made the right choice if you're not overclocking and don't need that minor clock speed bump.

 

One option you may consider if you can still return the 4790 would be the Xeon E3 1231 V3. It's exactly the same CPU, except it lacks an integrated GPU. If you already have a dedicated graphics card, this can save you ~$70+.

That was what I am about going to do but a bit different. I was about to return the cpu for a K version, but I went in this forum to convince myself that I made a good choice and not worry about the hassle of shipping the cpu.


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If you dont overclock, you wont be "using the glory of the k" anyways, so you are fine.


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Just bought i7 4790 last sunday because I was too excited to build my PC and i7 4790k was not on stock and I have all my parts except for the CPU.

 

Did I just made a mistake of going on the non K version? Did I miss out the glory of the K version? Are the manufacturing process of making the CPU's the same?

 

Even though I am not overclocking, I feel disappointed/dissatisfied buying the non K version. :(

 

I know that the K has .5 ghz advantage (base clock).

 

You probably made a mistake since an i7-4790k runs 400 MHz faster on quadcore loads at stock while selling for $20 or so more while a Xeon E3-1231v3 runs 200 MHz slower on all cores while selling for $60 less. So the i7-4790 is kind of in a no man's land with regards to pricing: pay a little more for significantly more performance or pay significantly less for a little less performance. It's not a big mistake by any means though, as an i7-4790 is a monstrously powerful gaming cpu and a decent workstation processor too.


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You probably made a mistake since an i7-4790k runs 400 MHz faster on quadcore loads at stock while selling for $20 or so more while a Xeon E3-1231v3 runs 200 MHz slower on all cores while selling for $60 less. So the i7-4790 is kind of in a no man's land with regards to pricing: pay a little more for significantly more performance or pay significantly less for a little less performance. It's not a big mistake by any means though, as an i7-4790 is a monstrously powerful gaming cpu and a decent workstation processor too.

I know, I made a premature mistake because I'm too excited too build a PC and 4790k was out of stock. I'm just trying to convince myself that I made a good choice and make myself feel better.


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I know, I made a premature mistake because I'm too excited too build a PC and 4790k was out of stock. I'm just trying to convince myself that I made a good choice and make myself feel better.

 

It's an unbelievable cpu, I wouldn't sweat it.


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Really either step up to the K version and overclock the day lights out of it, or step a bit down to E3-1231v3 and save enough money to step your graphics up a notch or get a SSD for at least caching. Either way the i7-4790 is an awkward choice, and getting returning it can give you a huge boost in gaming experience.


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I'm going to make a blanket response :lol:

 

Quick and dirty comparison.

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E3-1231-v3-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790/m11040vs2293

 

The Xeon is slower and doesn't have the iGPU for testing, or a back-up as I've used mine twice now. My HD 4600 plays KOTOR II at luxury settings. So why you'd want to limit yourself to only the GPU is beyond me, for less performance to boot.


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I'm going to make a blanket response :lol:

Quick and dirty comparison.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E3-1231-v3-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790/m11040vs2293

The Xeon is slower and doesn't have the iGPU for testing, or a back-up as I've used mine twice now. My HD 4600 plays KOTOR II at luxury settings. So why you'd want to limit yourself to only the GPU is beyond me, for less performance to boot.

I doubt anyone would feel the difference. And unless you buy really crappy graphics that always fails prematurely you would never ever need the iGPU even once.


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I doubt anyone would feel the difference. And unless you buy really crappy graphics that always fails prematurely you would never ever need the iGPU even once.

Deends, between the Xeon and the 4790? Maybe, more likely in the next year. Between the Xeon and the i5? Night and day the Xeon is better.

 

But the iGPU. Trust me that when for whatever reason you are without a GPU, the iGPU is worth it's weight in gold.


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Deends, between the Xeon and the 4790? Maybe, more likely in the next year. Between the Xeon and the i5? Night and day the Xeon is better.

But the iGPU. Trust me that when for whatever reason you are without a GPU, the iGPU is worth it's weight in gold.

Well unless you always buy crappy branded graphics cards and don't have a few spares you can take your iGPU won't see its day of light. I have a solidly built Zotac graphics card and a machine I can cannibalize for parts, so...


Workstation 1: Core i7-9700K ~ 2x Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4-3000 ~ Gigabyte Z390 UD ~ Sapphire RX 580 8GB ~ Samsung 960 Pro 512GB ~ WD Black 2TB ~ macOS Catalina amd64
Workstation 2: 2x Xeon E5-2680 ~ 8x Kingston KVR 16GB DDR3-1600 Registered ECC ~ Asus Z9PE-D16 ~ XFX RX 480 8GB ~ WD Black NVMe 1TB ~ Kingston SSDNow V300 240GB ~ Hitachi HDD 500GB ~ Windows 10 Pro Workstation amd64

Workstation 3: Core 2 Quad Q9300 ~ 4x mixed-brand 2GB DDR2-800 ~ Colorful C.P45K ~ Zotac GTX 650 Ti ~ Kingston V300 120GB ~ Samsung SpinPoint 1TB ~ Windows 10 Pro Workstation amd64
Home server: Core 2 Quad Q9550S ~ 4x Micron 2GB DDR2-800 Unbuffered ECC ~ Asus P5BV-C ~ Broadcom MegaRAID 9271-8iCC ~ Unbranded SATA SSD 120GB ~ 6x WD Green 2TB ~ 2x WD Red 2TB ~ Ubuntu Server 18.04 LTS amd64

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Laptop 1: Dell Latitude 3500 ~ Core i7-8565U ~ 2x Samsung 16GB DDR4-2400 SO-DIMM ~ WD Black NVMe 1TB ~ Intel SSD 520 Series 480GB ~ Windows 10 Pro Workstation amd64
Laptop 2: Apple MacBookPro9.2 ~ Core i5-3210M ~ 2x Samsung 8GB DDR3L-1600 SO-DIMM ~ Samsung SSD 850 Evo 1TB ~ macOS Catalina amd64

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Well unless you always buy crappy branded graphics cards and don't have a few spares you can take your iGPU won't see its day of light. I have a solidly built Zotac graphics card and a machine I can cannibalize for parts, so...

:lol: Funny stuff. RMA's happen to GPU's worth more than the two of us put together. I've used my iGPU twice because of selling the GPU I currently have to upgrade. Sometime you have a problem and the iGPU becomes an invaluable diagnostic tool.


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:lol: Funny stuff. RMA's happen to GPU's worth more than the two of us put together. I've used my iGPU twice because of selling the GPU I currently have to upgrade. Sometime you have a problem and the iGPU becomes an invaluable diagnostic tool.

Well it boils down to the fact you sell old parts to buy new ones. I never sell them so they accumulate in my parts bucket and from time to time I pull old parts out of that bucket and put them into perfectly working spare machines that can both be cannibalized for spare parts or started up to deal with odd jobs. So a spare graphics card bucket eliminated my need of any iGPU. You can buy a second hand low end card like a GT 610 for this.


Workstation 1: Core i7-9700K ~ 2x Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4-3000 ~ Gigabyte Z390 UD ~ Sapphire RX 580 8GB ~ Samsung 960 Pro 512GB ~ WD Black 2TB ~ macOS Catalina amd64
Workstation 2: 2x Xeon E5-2680 ~ 8x Kingston KVR 16GB DDR3-1600 Registered ECC ~ Asus Z9PE-D16 ~ XFX RX 480 8GB ~ WD Black NVMe 1TB ~ Kingston SSDNow V300 240GB ~ Hitachi HDD 500GB ~ Windows 10 Pro Workstation amd64

Workstation 3: Core 2 Quad Q9300 ~ 4x mixed-brand 2GB DDR2-800 ~ Colorful C.P45K ~ Zotac GTX 650 Ti ~ Kingston V300 120GB ~ Samsung SpinPoint 1TB ~ Windows 10 Pro Workstation amd64
Home server: Core 2 Quad Q9550S ~ 4x Micron 2GB DDR2-800 Unbuffered ECC ~ Asus P5BV-C ~ Broadcom MegaRAID 9271-8iCC ~ Unbranded SATA SSD 120GB ~ 6x WD Green 2TB ~ 2x WD Red 2TB ~ Ubuntu Server 18.04 LTS amd64

Home router: Atom D2550 ~ Samsung 4GB DDR3-1600 SO-DIMM ~ Guoguang IC2M1028V-J ~ Kingston V300 60GB ~ Ubuntu Server 19.10 amd64

Laptop 1: Dell Latitude 3500 ~ Core i7-8565U ~ 2x Samsung 16GB DDR4-2400 SO-DIMM ~ WD Black NVMe 1TB ~ Intel SSD 520 Series 480GB ~ Windows 10 Pro Workstation amd64
Laptop 2: Apple MacBookPro9.2 ~ Core i5-3210M ~ 2x Samsung 8GB DDR3L-1600 SO-DIMM ~ Samsung SSD 850 Evo 1TB ~ macOS Catalina amd64

Laptop 3: Apple MacBookPro8,1 ~ Core i7-2620M ~ 2x Samsung 4GB DDR3-1600 SO-DIMM ~ Kingston SSDNow V300 240GB ~ Ubuntu 19.10 amd64
Laptop 4: Dell Latitude D620 ~ Core 2 Duo T7600 ~ Kingston 2GB DDR2-800 SO-DIMM ~ Kingston 1GB DDR2-800 SO-DIMM ~ Intel 945PM ~ nVidia Quadro NVS 110M ~ Kingston SSDNow V300 60GB ~ Windows 10 Pro Workstation amd64

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Well it boils down to the fact you sell old parts to buy new ones. I never sell them so they accumulate in my parts bucket and from time to time I pull old parts out of that bucket and put them into perfectly working spare machines that can both be cannibalized for spare parts or started up to deal with odd jobs. So a spare graphics card bucket eliminated my need of any iGPU. You can buy a second hand low end card like a GT 610 for this.

And for you that works great. Never said there was a universal to this. The vast majority of people using their PCs for gaming don't have spare parts, or want to have the hassle of storing them. Or want to deal with drivers. TONS of reasons that make iGPU's important. And since just about every gaming rig built has one, I'd say the industry agrees with me on this factoid.


If anyone asks you never saw me.

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And for you that works great. Never said there was a universal to this. The vast majority of people using their PCs for gaming don't have spare parts, or want to have the hassle of storing them. Or want to deal with drivers. TONS of reasons that make iGPU's important. And since just about every gaming rig built has one, I'd say the industry agrees with me on this factoid.

You may want to pay a visit to the market. At least in Shanghai non-K Intel processors at and above i5-4670 almost stalled - people are recommended to go for E3-1231v3 instead, and stores don't stock them.

If you don't have a graphics card they would get you an i3 or low tier i5, or if you really insist jump straight to i7-4790K and a Z97 motherboard. If you have a graphics card and planning on using high tier i5 or any i7 the shops would suggest you go to E3-1231v3, even refuse to sell you the i5 or i7 you asked for ("we don't have that in stock, sorry")

Also if you absolutely need the iGPU, E3-1246v3 still offer better bang for the buck than i7-4790 non-K.


Workstation 1: Core i7-9700K ~ 2x Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4-3000 ~ Gigabyte Z390 UD ~ Sapphire RX 580 8GB ~ Samsung 960 Pro 512GB ~ WD Black 2TB ~ macOS Catalina amd64
Workstation 2: 2x Xeon E5-2680 ~ 8x Kingston KVR 16GB DDR3-1600 Registered ECC ~ Asus Z9PE-D16 ~ XFX RX 480 8GB ~ WD Black NVMe 1TB ~ Kingston SSDNow V300 240GB ~ Hitachi HDD 500GB ~ Windows 10 Pro Workstation amd64

Workstation 3: Core 2 Quad Q9300 ~ 4x mixed-brand 2GB DDR2-800 ~ Colorful C.P45K ~ Zotac GTX 650 Ti ~ Kingston V300 120GB ~ Samsung SpinPoint 1TB ~ Windows 10 Pro Workstation amd64
Home server: Core 2 Quad Q9550S ~ 4x Micron 2GB DDR2-800 Unbuffered ECC ~ Asus P5BV-C ~ Broadcom MegaRAID 9271-8iCC ~ Unbranded SATA SSD 120GB ~ 6x WD Green 2TB ~ 2x WD Red 2TB ~ Ubuntu Server 18.04 LTS amd64

Home router: Atom D2550 ~ Samsung 4GB DDR3-1600 SO-DIMM ~ Guoguang IC2M1028V-J ~ Kingston V300 60GB ~ Ubuntu Server 19.10 amd64

Laptop 1: Dell Latitude 3500 ~ Core i7-8565U ~ 2x Samsung 16GB DDR4-2400 SO-DIMM ~ WD Black NVMe 1TB ~ Intel SSD 520 Series 480GB ~ Windows 10 Pro Workstation amd64
Laptop 2: Apple MacBookPro9.2 ~ Core i5-3210M ~ 2x Samsung 8GB DDR3L-1600 SO-DIMM ~ Samsung SSD 850 Evo 1TB ~ macOS Catalina amd64

Laptop 3: Apple MacBookPro8,1 ~ Core i7-2620M ~ 2x Samsung 4GB DDR3-1600 SO-DIMM ~ Kingston SSDNow V300 240GB ~ Ubuntu 19.10 amd64
Laptop 4: Dell Latitude D620 ~ Core 2 Duo T7600 ~ Kingston 2GB DDR2-800 SO-DIMM ~ Kingston 1GB DDR2-800 SO-DIMM ~ Intel 945PM ~ nVidia Quadro NVS 110M ~ Kingston SSDNow V300 60GB ~ Windows 10 Pro Workstation amd64

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You may want to pay a visit to the market. At least in Shanghai non-K Intel processors at and above i5-4670 almost stalled - people are recommended to go for E3-1231v3 instead, and stores don't stock them.

If you don't have a graphics card they would get you an i3 or low tier i5, or if you really insist jump straight to i7-4790K and a Z97 motherboard. If you have a graphics card and planning on using high tier i5 or any i7 the shops would suggest you go to E3-1231v3, even refuse to sell you the i5 or i7 you asked for ("we don't have that in stock, sorry")

China=/=the market

 

I'd make an obvious joke here but I don't have the points to spare :lol:

 

NewEgg, Amazon, NCIX, pretty much any retailer is pushing Skylake or Haswell i5's and i7's. Not a CPU made for a workstation. And honestly, personally. I'm an overclocking snob. If you're not overclocking, you're just playing.


If anyone asks you never saw me.

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