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The FAA itself doesn’t think the risk of birds weighing less than 1kg (2.2lb) is very high, raising the question: is the limit of 250g on unmanned aircraft is too low?

 

 

The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft
 

I believe rules for remote control aircraft is a good thing but the FAA is doing it the wrong way. How is R.C. Aircraft registration going to ensure safety the only thing its going to do is allow people to find out who is the owner of that R.C. aircraft after he crashed. Better rules like having pilot tests to show they can fly before they are allowed to fly where people can just walk past, no flying within a certain distance of people without their permission, no flying in highly populated areas with out permission of the police or no flying above a certain height.

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True but that would be very expensive and make the expensive hobby of owning a drone even more expensive. The rules are a good idea as long as that make the public aware they can report violations and you can then get fined and have your drone confiscated. Pilot tests are just too excessive. 

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You're completely right.

 

Let's stop all registration of pets, because if my dog gets out and blinds my neighbors infant because he tore his face off, then they shouldn't be able to trace me!

And fuck registration of firearms, if some how someone dies by my gun, then they definitely shouldn't be able to trace it back to me!

 

 

People get too fucking touchy feely about government lists. Do I think that a broad sweeping registration of all model-aircraft is awesome? No, not really, but to be honest a lot of that shit is dangerous enough I thought there already was a registration process for it to begin with.

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I believe rules for remote control aircraft is a good thing but the FAA is doing it the wrong way. How is R.C. Aircraft registration going to ensure safety the only thing its going to do is allow people to find out who is the owner of that R.C. aircraft after he crashed. Better rules like having pilot tests to show they can fly before they are allowed to fly where people can just walk past, no flying within a certain distance of people without their permission, no flying in highly populated areas with out permission of the police or no flying above a certain height.

Not illegal, just against the rules they set out.

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You're completely right.

 

Let's stop all registration of pets, because if my dog gets out and blinds my neighbors infant because he tore his face off, then they shouldn't be able to trace me!

And fuck registration of firearms, if some how someone dies by my gun, then they definitely shouldn't be able to trace it back to me!

 

 

People get too fucking touchy feely about government lists. Do I think that a broad sweeping registration of all model-aircraft is awesome? No, not really, but to be honest a lot of that shit is dangerous enough I thought there already was a registration process for it to begin with.

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You're completely right.

 

Let's stop all registration of pets, because if my dog gets out and blinds my neighbors infant because he tore his face off, then they shouldn't be able to trace me!

And fuck registration of firearms, if some how someone dies by my gun, then they definitely shouldn't be able to trace it back to me!

 

 

People get too fucking touchy feely about government lists. Do I think that a broad sweeping registration of all model-aircraft is awesome? No, not really, but to be honest a lot of that shit is dangerous enough I thought there already was a registration process for it to begin with.

 

can you imagine the outrage if the second amendment included rc planes as well

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Saddest thing is I'm very much so against trump... #BernieSanders but.... sometimes I just don't understand peoples over reactions to this kind of stuff.

Okay, so at worst having to go in and enter into a drone registration is a mild inconvenience to everyone involved, and Bill from down the street gets found out for being a drone hobbyist because his drone crashes in someones backyard.

 

Living in a modern society unfortunately requires some form of compromises, and me putting my name down on a list along with the identifying information for a couple drones I own is perfectly fine, as long as it means that the handful of people who are going to commit horrible crimes using these advanced tools are found.

And if anyone ever gets a hold of that list, so fucking what? They know my middle name and that I own a couple drones? That doesn't tell them anything. People against this kind of stuff seem the same to me as people against any form of gun control, you know, because since you never mistreat your toys means everyone else in the world treats theirs the same way. 

 

 

 

 

can you imagine the outage if the second amendment included rc planes as well

 

Jesus christ... I sure as hell can sadly enough, just look at the response the NRA came out with at the possibility of universal back-round checks for people buying guns. You've got something with almost 97% support from the general population, and the big wigs still turn it down, gotta wonder who they're working for eh? 

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You're completely right.

 

Let's stop all registration of pets, because if my dog gets out and blinds my neighbors infant because he tore his face off, then they shouldn't be able to trace me!

And fuck registration of firearms, if some how someone dies by my gun, then they definitely shouldn't be able to trace it back to me!

 

 

People get too fucking touchy feely about government lists. Do I think that a broad sweeping registration of all model-aircraft is awesome? No, not really, but to be honest a lot of that shit is dangerous enough I thought there already was a registration process for it to begin with.

I may have not worded it correctly the problem I have with it is that it doesn't stop people from flying in a place where a lot of people are. That is still allowed.

And also its just a waste of time and peoples money if someone is going to do something bad like fly a quadcopter they have never flow before in the middle of a city and dont want to be tracked all they have to do is get a pen and scribble all over the markings and if the police find the quadcopter they will not be able to find out who owns it.

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I may have not worded it correctly the problem I have with it is that it doesn't stop people from flying in a place where a lot of people are. That is still allowed.

And also its just a waste of time and peoples money if someone is going to do something bad like fly a quadcopter they have never flow before in the middle of a city and dont want to be tracked all they have to do is get a pen and scribble all over the markings and if the police find the quadcopter they will not be able to find out who owns it.

 

I have much the same problems, but those have two vastly different implementations and I think we'll see some solutions here rather quickly to those problems now that drone regulation is starting to take place.

 

Drones flying over places and around things they shouldn't can only really be handled in the drone either being jammed and falling to the ground (But that in of itself raises problems) or it being removed physically from the air whether by nonlethal shot, net, or another drone. I have a feeling we're going to see something along these lines soon here, its only a matter of time.

 

As for a drone being able to be unmarked or the identification being obscured, there are again a ton of ways to go about that. Actual quad+ copter drones might see something along the lines of an electronic identification chip that would relay its ID number when removed from the craft, then all you need to do is work out the drone systems to not be capable of flight while that chip is removed, or some sort of fail-safe to detect if that chip has been modified.

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Drones flying over places and around things they shouldn't can only really be handled in the drone either being jammed and falling to the ground (But that in of itself raises problems) or it being removed physically from the air whether by nonlethal shot, net, or another drone. I have a feeling we're going to see something along these lines soon here, its only a matter of time.

This just happened yesterday: http://olympics.nbcsports.com/2015/12/22/marcel-hirscher-drone-video-camera-slalom-alpine-skiing-world-cup

 

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And that drone was controlled by the event holders/media there. So...either people need more training(or you know, the common sense of NOT FLYING OVER PEOPLE!) or they need to be regulated more. 

 

*Edit, didn't see this before, but it looks like the International Ski Federation just banned drone cameras from their World Cup races because of this.

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You're completely right.

 

Let's stop all registration of pets, because if my dog gets out and blinds my neighbors infant because he tore his face off, then they shouldn't be able to trace me!

And fuck registration of firearms, if some how someone dies by my gun, then they definitely shouldn't be able to trace it back to me!

 

 

People get too fucking touchy feely about government lists. Do I think that a broad sweeping registration of all model-aircraft is awesome? No, not really, but to be honest a lot of that shit is dangerous enough I thought there already was a registration process for it to begin with.

It's funny because there isn't an "official" federal gun registry, but one does exist. Namely the records that FFL dealers are required to keep, which the ATF can check at any point in time, without a warrant or reason.

 

Of course, this doesn't apply to black market firearms that weren't sold by an FFL dealer.

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It's funny because there isn't an "official" federal gun registry, but one does exist. Namely the records that FFL dealers are required to keep, which the ATF can check at any point in time, without a warrant or reason.

 

Of course, this doesn't apply to black market firearms that weren't sold by an FFL dealer.

 

Not gonna lie, was waiting on a reply from you on that post xD

I also won't lie again, the current system is broken, that I can whole heartedly agree on, but gun registration is beyond important. Of course hardcore criminals are going to get around it, but it makes no sense to just make it easier for them.

Though, I don't think any of that matters. Registration of firearms is aside the point, the area I was talking about was background checks. I'm sure we all can agree that people with less than sub-standard mental health should not be able to purchase assault "style" rifles. Last thing we need is a large group of mentally instable people with weapons capable of clearing out the local bar or movie theater. Well... we actually already have that group, but let's at least try to stop more mentally instable people from getting their hands on killing machines eh?

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True but that would be very expensive and make the expensive hobby of owning a drone even more expensive. The rules are a good idea as long as that make the public aware they can report violations and you can then get fined and have your drone confiscated. Pilot tests are just too excessive. 

 

Its just $5. Not expensive at all. If people can afford their hobby 5 dollars is nothing.

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Saddest thing is I'm very much so against trump... #BernieSanders but.... sometimes I just don't understand peoples over reactions to this kind of stuff.

Okay, so at worst having to go in and enter into a drone registration is a mild inconvenience to everyone involved, and Bill from down the street gets found out for being a drone hobbyist because his drone crashes in someones backyard.

 

Living in a modern society unfortunately requires some form of compromises, and me putting my name down on a list along with the identifying information for a couple drones I own is perfectly fine, as long as it means that the handful of people who are going to commit horrible crimes using these advanced tools are found.

And if anyone ever gets a hold of that list, so fucking what? They know my middle name and that I own a couple drones? That doesn't tell them anything. People against this kind of stuff seem the same to me as people against any form of gun control, you know, because since you never mistreat your toys means everyone else in the world treats theirs the same way. 

 

 

 

 
 

Jesus christ... I sure as hell can sadly enough, just look at the response the NRA came out with at the possibility of universal back-round checks for people buying guns. You've got something with almost 97% support from the general population, and the big wigs still turn it down, gotta wonder who they're working for eh? 

One could easily deduce you support Bernie Sanders by your comments, but that's not the point. What I really want to know is what 'horrible crimes' could i commit with a drone? That I couldn't already commit? Remember, when people say drones, they mean quad-copters. However, you could call an RC plane or helicopter the same thing as a 'drone'.

 

What's a downside of it? One, the rules are only enforceable by the feds, so unless the FBI show's up, no one gives a shit. Two, I can just not register it and do whatever the hell I want anyways, or I can just scratch the sticker off with the registration info. Three, I could just put incorrect information down on the registration and they'll never figure out who I am. Four, it'd likely just be abused, such as the following example.

 

For example, lets say Joe is flying his quad-copter in his small suburban backyard. The wind blows and causes Joe's drone to clip a tree and it crashes in a neighbor down the street's yard. However, after hearing about the NSA and the sensationalized topics on the news about 'drones', said neighbor is delusional when it comes to drones. Not particularly the neighbors fault, just mostly misinformation from the media. However, said neighbor now thinks said drone was just hovering outside their window spying on them when it happened to crash. Thanks to a tag, Joe's getting sued and has to register as a sex offender. The claim may be bullshit, but Joe can't disprove it and a jury would side with the 'poor neighbor being spied on'. Now Joe is screwed for life.

 

TLDR: As an RC plane/heli enthusiast, There's nothing I could do now that I couldn't have done 5 years ago before people even heard the word drone (aka quad-copter not military predator planes). As such, a registration system is pointless.

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This just happened yesterday: http://olympics.nbcsports.com/2015/12/22/marcel-hirscher-drone-video-camera-slalom-alpine-skiing-world-cup

 

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And that drone was controlled by the event holders/media there. So...either people need more training(or you know, the common sense of NOT FLYING OVER PEOPLE!) or they need to be regulated more. 

 

*Edit, didn't see this before, but it looks like the International Ski Federation just banned drone cameras from their World Cup races because of this.

Looked fake at first but really how do you manage to make it fall from the sky. That is like 5 grand lost right there. IDIOTS!

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Looked fake at first but really how do you manage to make it fall from the sky. That is like 5 grand lost right there. IDIOTS!

I haven't read anything of why it happened, but people are suspecting it died and gravity did the rest.

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I haven't read anything of why it happened, but people are suspecting it died and gravity did the rest.

If you are actually smart there are things called LIPO cutoffs that tell you it is going dead and you have like 3 minutes left. People use them in RC boats all the time

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Your title is sensationalist.

Well yeah I'd agree, but it is technically accurate, however I'd put a question mark at the end of the title, as it is still up for debate
 

 

The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft

 
In the Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, ‘model aircraft’ are defined as, ‘an unmanned aircraft capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere, flown within visual line of sight, and flown for hobby or recreational purposes.’ If these qualifications are met, the FAA may not make a rule regarding these aircraft, so long as they are not flown within 5 miles of an airport.
 
Yet the requirements for the FAA’s UAS registration do just that. A month ago, 99% of the aircraft sold on HobbyKing were safe from FAA rules. By making a simple rule that anyone can understand, the FAA may have crossed a line, and overstepped the authority granted to it by Congress.

 

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/ Tier Breakdown (My understanding)--1 Godly, 2 Great, 3 Good, 4 Average, 5 Meh, 6 Bad, 7 Awful

 

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If you are actually smart there are things called LIPO cutoffs that tell you it is going dead and you have like 3 minutes left. People use them in RC boats all the time

I've only ever flown RC helicopters, so I didn't know that was a thing, but I think I would catch on pretty quick or would read the manual before using a big quadrocopter like that one. Other people though...you never know what kind of idiots are piloting these things lol.

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You're completely right.

 

Let's stop all registration of pets, because if my dog gets out and blinds my neighbors infant because he tore his face off, then they shouldn't be able to trace me!

And fuck registration of firearms, if some how someone dies by my gun, then they definitely shouldn't be able to trace it back to me!

 

 

People get too fucking touchy feely about government lists. Do I think that a broad sweeping registration of all model-aircraft is awesome? No, not really, but to be honest a lot of that shit is dangerous enough I thought there already was a registration process for it to begin with.

there are pet registration? 

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there are pet registration? 

 

certain breeds of dog have to be registered in some places

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Not gonna lie, was waiting on a reply from you on that post xD

I also won't lie again, the current system is broken, that I can whole heartedly agree on, but gun registration is beyond important. Of course hardcore criminals are going to get around it, but it makes no sense to just make it easier for them.

Though, I don't think any of that matters. Registration of firearms is aside the point, the area I was talking about was background checks. I'm sure we all can agree that people with less than sub-standard mental health should not be able to purchase assault "style" rifles. Last thing we need is a large group of mentally instable people with weapons capable of clearing out the local bar or movie theater. Well... we actually already have that group, but let's at least try to stop more mentally instable people from getting their hands on killing machines eh?

Background checks are already required for anyone purchasing a gun from an FFL dealer.

 

Requiring background checks for private cash transactions between private citizens, will basically do nothing (impossible to enforce). And you can already be charged with a crime if you sell a gun to someone and they then commit a crime with said gun, or if that person was a convicted felon not legally allow to own a firearm.

Ketchup is better than mustard.

GUI is better than Command Line Interface.

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