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Trump Clarifies Position On ‘Shutting Down’ Parts Of The Internet

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Yeah, all I need to know about the real world implementation of full blown communism is China and the Soviet union. Both of which were arguably more harmful than good. I'm trying to develop a working .......I'm not sure what word to use here (economic theory?) between capitalism and socialism.

One that still thrives on competition, but doesn't fuck people over so completely (that latter part applying to both capitalism and communism/socialism). One that encourages competition and fair pay, but also allows for people to succeed and have more than others (no point in pushing yourself if you can only have the same shitty personal possessions as everyone else, barring the politburo)

Basically, capitalism with restraints that actually work. Not by simply punishing a company by taking money from them, but by punishing them by making it possible for someone else to do the same thing as them, but being less asinine about it.

It already exists and its being practiced by a lot of European countries, Canada and Japan. You arenjust unwilling to accept it because you think taxes are the antichrist.

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Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark are to the east of that wall and they're not moderate. The countries you are talking about are just, relatively speaking, still recovering from the influence of the Soviet Union so what you're saying is very disingenuous. Japan and canada are not moderate either.

 

So I'm not being fair by being critical of collectivists because....the communist nations are poor as the result of former collectivism....


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So I'm not being fair by being critical of collectivists because....the communist nations are poor as the result of former collectivism....

No, you are equating Keynesian economics to collectivism.

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I'm simply asking questions because I am not familiar with the infrastructure. If what you are saying is true, then yeah, it won't fucking work. I'm assuming the physical ethernet lines are laying right next to phone and power lines.

At that point, you might as well be carpet bombing I guess. it would have the same effect. (mass chaos, confusion, and destruction)

Ehh, sorry for lumping you in with the others, I just get tired of repeating myself to the point where I stopped looking at the names.

You are correct for the most part as that was the most economical way of doing it. Much cheaper to put 2 lines into 1 larger hole. You're already digging bigger than the pipe will be.

Aside from that, most communications lines are routed through the control centers for radio towers, as that is where most originate. Think of the image of the old operators in old films. Essentially the same thing. Eliminating the towers will eliminate the control centers as they are one and the same essentially (most are connected).

It's just amazing to me how far some people are willing to go in order to defend a stupid idea that has to have someone else make a way that might have a potential of even maybe working a tiny bit.

While not harmful when for pure conjecture, when advocated for implementation, that's when it's toxic.

The best way to give an example of this to a person inside the "I like the idea" stance, read the following.

Saying that "feeding the homeless to the hungry is a way of solving both world hunger and homelessness" is not toxic when it is purely conjecture. It essentially states you have to throw away morality to have it be a solution, but it is technically correct.

However, when someone says "Hey, we have to implement this", and is seriously going out and advocating for it without irony, the idea becomes extremely toxic as you then advocate genocide of billions.

While that example is very extreme, it's really not that far off from what you all advocate for with what I am hearing, as this is what I have heard from the pro:

We are willing to throw an entire nation into chaos, cut off both internal and external communications by bombing every landline and radio tower in the nation, and desert everything there, all for nothing because it won't even remotely work because people can move around and you advocate for a geographic-based solution for a global problem.

I hope this makes it clear why I vehemently oppose this.

Even if we stick to a Chinese-style firewall, you advocate billions of dollars of expenditure for something which again, is a geographic solution for a global problem which doesn't even solve for the geographic problem due to the ease of getting around it.

Note: You refers to those who advocate for Trump's plan.


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It already exists and its being practiced by a lot of European countries, Canada and Japan. You arenjust unwilling to accept it because you think taxes are the antichrist.

I think taxes are idiotic (NOT ENTIRELY, but a lot of what they are spent on, IS) because I've worked for the government before. You will never find a more retched hive of waste, self justification, and complete idiocy. I'd rather give the money directly to the people, by specifying that the corporations need to give half of their profits directly to their employees. The corporate tax rates would essentially remain the same.

 

Why do this? Why not just raise minimum wage? Because minimum wage doesn't work. It does raise how much you get paid, but the corporations just raise prices and fire people to offset that increase in overhead. So instead, specify that the money to be given to the employees be 50% of profit, ontop of the currently existing minimum wage. That way if they raise prices, they just have to give more money to employees. And then, if they start laying people off and outsourcing, you take away their patents and make them public domain. That way, ANYONE can make the exact same product (including the original patent owner) and they end up losing money, and someone else decides "fuck it, I can make a decent living making this product, I'll start hiring the people they just fired, and make this product. Not like they can do anything to stop me".

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I understand where you are coming from, however I would point out that morality is an entirely social construct (please see: The price equation on the evolution of altruism). What is best for the majority of the group, will be considered moral. Yes, that solution would basically f**k over an entire country, the real question being, is it called for. Will the harm that ISIS does to the people in that country, and to the rest of the world, be worth the complete f**king of said country? (and also, as @Builder pointed out, will it even work, would doing absolutely nothing work? I don't think doing nothing will work. Doing nothing didn't work against the Nazi's, but then again I'm not a fortune teller)

 

(I am now going to start censoring my F-bombs, because I know a mod will come through here at some point and censor them anyways. Because some people apparently can't handle F-bombs in 2015)

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It's nice to see someone in politics talk a little more in depth about something and not sound like a complete incompetent while doing so.

 

I mean, trump is still a joke, but I have to give credit where it is due.


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It's nice to see someone in politics talk a little more in depth about something and not sound like a complete incompetent while doing so.

 

I mean, trump is still a joke, but I have to give credit where it is due.

Milo Yiannopoulos is a joke. He's a conservative who hates himself and thinks there is something wrong with him because he's gay. He might not be incompetent, but that doesn't mean he isn't being disingenuous.


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Always liked Trump simply because of his no bull shit attitude.

 

Nice to see that he was some solid ideas behind it as well now.

 

No bullshit attitude while spouting a metric ton of bullshit :lol:

 

...sorry I had to... blame the chocolate I just ate.

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Really nice post. Lets not forget that this follows the doctrine that people in syria are the only problem. Most of the attackers come from the countries they attack or nearby so blocking syrian access is dumb. Not to mention it was already done to Assad and he was still buying rhianna music on iTunes or whatever so this isn't new and has been shown not to work.


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So he proposes routing an approximate 21EB of data a month through US network infrastructure? Need I remind people that America has some of the worst infrastructure in the world? It barely copes with the current load, never mind the added load of everything else, also he proposes having the NSA monitor it? 21EB of data a month? They can't even monitor current levels of data, never mind all of that.

How would a small government branch sift through that much data? They can't, it's impossible, the entirety of the internet would collapse in an instant, not even Google could do it, but go ahead, spend a lot of tax payers dollars trying to enact his genius plan.

All of this to deny a handful of countries access to the internet? What a fucking nutcase, the only morons here are those that believe that this is even remotely possible, or even remotely moral, no one country should police the internet, least of all the US.

He also wants to build a wall along the border with Mexico, I remember hearing something like that once before, and I think it was a video game that took the piss out of people like Trump, oh yeah, I remember, it was GTA Vice City.

He's not a legitimate politician, he's a moron, a dangerous moron at that, but one with a lot of money that could cause the US a lot of problems if he ever took seat in the White House.

I'll reiterate, this "plan" is not possible, and comes from the mouth of someone with only the vaguest idea of what the internet actually is, or how big it really is. His brainfart (I refuse to call it an idea) would be the biggest DDOS in history and in the meantime Daesh would be pissing themselves laughing at the whole charade.


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Trump is still a moron in all this - no one even explained why he named Bill Gates

simply, Trump was "educated" in how to explain his original idiocy on stage

even if you manage to limit access to Syria at hardware level, by physically disconnecting the multiple trunks in and out of the country, you will create a widespread effect on the entire region

even thinking of this is lunacy since it would involve international legislation and decades of economic and communication treaties, multiple countries and multiple ISPs

let's say they cut internet to Syria, what makes him think ISIS won't just use another country's internet? you do need to keep in mind this terrorist organisation is one without borders

didn't Russia, intentionally wanted to cut itself from "The Internet" a couple of times already?

how well did that went? it didn't! one just can't cut "The Internet"

immagine cutting internet access to Syria like cutting access to internet to an entire apartment building in some city - the residents will just go to the nearest WiFi HotSpot

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to sum it up: you just can't cut physical access to internet to a specific geographic region without it having a ripple effect

if it was possible, North Korea, China, Russia would've been already DCed

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it would be simpler for Syria, internally, to cut internet access to specific regions - but still fruitless since ISIS is a network of people spread internationally

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VPN's don't mean a thing if you cut all the lines to that country.

 

Which would involve a physical solution instead of software.

so now we're not only walling off Mexico (and making them pay for it), banning Muslims from the US and cutting the chords from countries WHERE THE US DOESNT EVEN HAVE LEGISLATION.

Goddamnit America.


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none of his policies are war-inducing. Absolutely none of them.

banning of Muslim travel through US borders.

He would destroy USA's political standing if not cause war and sanctions.


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banning of Muslim travel through US borders.

He would destroy USA's political standing if not cause war and sanctions.

There is already a war between many countries and Isis, so I don't think a war could start from this. I think this policy of his is more of a way to temporarily ban them, so that they could create better measures against stopping terrorists from getting in. No one wants another incident like what happened at Paris.

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There is already a war between many countries and Isis, so I don't think a war could start from this. I think this policy of his is more of a way to temporarily ban them, so that they could create better measures against stopping terrorists from getting in. No one wants another incident like what happened at Paris.

What happened in Paris had nothing to do with refugees. it's insane that people are still perpetuating this nonsense.


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Honestly there internet structure is probably so rag tag thrown together you could just take out a repeater and all of it would fail


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What happened in Paris had nothing to do with refugees. it's insane that people are still perpetuating this nonsense.

I don't understand your point. People travelling to a country do not have to be a refugee, they can simply be a traveler or something. How they got in is still questionable, but nothing changes the fact that you gotta stop them before they get in. France has even tightened border checks to try to reduce the probability of another attack.

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I don't understand your point. People travelling to a country do not have to be a refugee, they can simply be a traveler or something. How they got in is still questionable, but nothing changes the fact that you gotta stop them before they get in. France has even tightened border checks to try to reduce the probability of another attack.

 

And some of the attackers were French citizens, so...


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I don't understand your point. People travelling to a country do not have to be a refugee, they can simply be a traveler or something. How they got in is still questionable, but nothing changes the fact that you gotta stop them before they get in. France has even tightened border checks to try to reduce the probability of another attack.

Stop them? Who is them? When a white christian male goes on a mass shooting, do we now worry about all christian white males? Why is it okay to generalize about other demographics, but when it comes to whites, they're not only isolated incidents but also not even labeled terrorism? You just said you don't want anymore incidents similar to what happened in France. Who exactly is it that you want to stop from traveling to prevent that?


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It doesn't really matter that he clarified his original "shut down the internet" statement or whatever it was. People that are against Trump because he's Trump will always be against him no matter what he says or what points he makes. 

Yeah, I now like him even less after this


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And rightfully so. Why do you want to support an idiot like him?

Ding ding, we have ourselves a winner!

 

I can tell you're the type of person to shoot down anyones' opinions that you don't agree with, so I won't waste my time with you.

 

Yeah, I now like him even less after this

Of course you do. I honestly don't really care what you like and don't like, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual. No offense.

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