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National Crime Agency lists Cybercrime "Warning Signs" for parents

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Posted (edited) · Original PosterOP

Source 1: http://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/765-campaign-targets-uk-s-youngest-cyber-criminals

Source 2: http://oomlout.co.uk/blogs/news/79367233-national-crime-agency-lists-daft-cyber-crime-warning-signs

Source 3: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/09/nca_teen_hackers_parents_campaign/

 

Many of you are likely to fall into the categories the NCA has listed as potential cybercriminals, so hand yourself in right away!

 

 

According to the National Crime Agency, the following questions if answered in the positive raise the possibility that "a young person is at risk of getting involved in cyber crime:"

 

  • Is your child spending all of their time online?
  • Are they interested in coding? Do they have independent learning material on computing?
  • Do they have irregular sleeping patterns?
  • Do they get an income from their online activities, do you know why and how?
  • Are they resistant when asked what they do online?
  • Do they use the full data allowance on the home broadband?
  • Have they become more socially isolated?

     



According to Oomlout, the document says that a childs interest should be steered in a positive direction, but it doesn't do it in the right way, here's the quote.

 

 

While the document goes on to list ways a child's interest in technology topics can be steered in a positive direction, many older makers thinking back to their youth will likely be able to tick the majority of the 'warning sign' boxes - we know we can. While the NCA's aim of helping to curb the growing trend for ne'er-do-wells to use technology for ill is to be lauded, we can't help but feel this approach is badly thought out - and, worse, could lead to negative interactions which turns the next Steve Wozniak or Tim Berners-Lee off a career in technology for good.

 

 

One of the other things the NCA said, was that this is aimed at parents of 12-15 year old boys, because they are clearly the only ones who could possibly commit cybercrime, or use a computer. So I guess, I have always been safe from the NCAs prying eyes and scaremongering!

 

And if you want to cringe, YouTube video:

 

 

This is a terrible way to go about the whole issue, the tactics used and the list made are just going to make parents who don't understand anything about tech/computing scared without reason. I wouldn't have wanted my mum or dad coming into my room constantly asking "What are you doing? What are you doing?" which is what this seems to aim to want to promote. I'm not comfortable with any campaign which goes about getting their point across in this way.

 

UPDATE:

 

The NCA have made a change to their list on their website, possibly after getting some negative remarks, here is what it now states:

 

 


  • Are they resistant when asked what they do online?
  • Do they get an income from their online activities, do you know why and how?
  • Is your child spending all of their time online?
  • Do they have irregular sleeping patterns?
  • Have they become more socially isolated?

Removed coding, learning material and data allowance from the list.

 

http://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/crime-threats/cyber-crime/cyber-crime-preventing-young-people-from-getting-involved

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lol this looks like a direct copy of the "is your son a hacker" article


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If your kid is passionate about coding then they should be encouraged, not discouraged. There is a massive gap in the job market for competent coders and systems administrators (there are also a lot of incompetent ones:))


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But it was actually written and produced by a government agency, that is the depressing part!

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This is to prevent young kids into becoming what's known as a script kiddy. Often script kiddies are the ones being arrested at a young age. This ruins their life, and they either become suicidal, or give up on everything else. The government does not want to deal with these people; however, real cyber criminals are often watched for a few years then recruited, or thrown in jail if they don't see any potential. I'd go into more details, but these articles are somewhat important for parents.


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I found that video quite amusing. Especially when they awkwardly glanced at their son saying "he told us he robbed a bank". Message received though. I still have quite a bit to figure out about computers though before I can crash a server when losing a game.


 

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Lol. We shoulda seen this coming guys. Geeks become more powerful in modern society over time. Everyone likes it at first when were just bringing them the miracle of computing and modern technology, but once we start doing things they don't like, its time to hunt us down.


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This is something special, the government bodies never cease to amaze me with how out of touch they are, someone clearly hasn't done their homework. 


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neat i'm a l33t_haxor gonna get you with my LOIC.


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This is to prevent young kids into becoming what's known as a script kiddy. Often script kiddies are the ones being arrested at a young age. This ruins their life, and they either become suicidal, or give up on everything else. The government does not want to deal with these people; however, real cyber criminals are often watched for a few years then recruited, or thrown in jail if they don't see any potential. I'd go into more details, but these articles are somewhat important for parents.

 

Unfortunately, this campaign doesn't present it in the right way at all, it's scaremongering and doesn't give parents any useful advice, how can a parent talk to their child about cybercrime if they don't have the information or knowledge on the subject? An IT teacher at a school is better equip to give warnings/advice if the school hired someone competent, a parent will just get worried and panic if they don't understand. Then you also have to trust that the child will tell the truth to their parents on what they are doing on the computer, they aren't going to say "Oh yeah, I just DDoSed a website ma." unless they are A+ Stupid.

 

The criteria listed is also a joke, completely useless, just scares and will probably mean that some kids are discouraged from going near a computer at home, or when they do, heavily supervised. It would be helpful to give parents useful information, not this...

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1, 2, 5, and 7 are correct for me


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According to this then I'm a Y0L0 SW$G 3l33t_H4X0R_M4ST3R ready to commit dem cyber crimes yo.

 

How about you let people with knowledge on the subject (like actual former hackers/cyber criminals turned good) have a talk about his huh? Instead of some businessmen or government people with red ties and no knowledge of the subject whatsoever. All this is going to create is panic under the parents with tech-savy kids and kids that do read this who are interested in learning to code or just general computer related things.

 

 

Also:

 


  • Do they use the full data allowance on the home broadband?

 

Welcome to the 21st century, 'Murica. If a government-related party says this don't you think it's time for them to start looking, oh I don't know, EVERYWHERE ELSE ON THE PLANET WHERE DATA CAPS ON HOME BROADBAND INTERNET HAS BEEN GONE FOR 10 YEARS OR WAS NEVER THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?


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Welcome to the 21st century, 'Murica. If a government-related party says this don't you think it's time for them to start looking, oh I don't know, EVERYWHERE ELSE ON THE PLANET WHERE DATA CAPS ON HOME BROADBAND INTERNET HAS BEEN GONE FOR 10 YEARS OR WAS NEVER THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

 

This was produced by the British Government, where there also is no datacap, but they had no idea what they were talking about.

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  • Is your child spending all of their time online? Check

Are they interested in coding? Do they have independent learning material on computing? Check

Do they have irregular sleeping patterns? Kind of

Do they get an income from their online activities, do you know why and how? I wish

Are they resistant when asked what they do online? Who isn't?

Do they use the full data allowance on the home broadband? No usage cap FTW

Have they become more socially isolated? Yep.

Looks like I am a cyber criminal. These guys are just hitting out at the 'nerds' it seems.


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Come on guys! We shouldn't just tolerate this! Us techies are stronger than this! We've made too many compromises; too many retreats. They take our privacy, and we fall back! They censor the internet, and we fall back! Now they want to take us out at the source? NO!!! The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!


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The video is so annoying... "oh yeah, my kid fits all stereotypes, I have no idea what he's doing so I assume it's genious work, and he also told me he robs banks". Makes me want to punch the parents.

 

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in the light of a more thorough read of the nca post, I feel it's not as bad as it appeared from the article. The nca does aparently realize these signs are not necessarily a clear indicator of a cyber criminal and clearly say so in their website.


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Unfortunately, this campaign doesn't present it in the right way at all, it's scaremongering and doesn't give parents any useful advice, how can a parent talk to their child about cybercrime if they don't have the information or knowledge on the subject? An IT teacher at a school is better equip to give warnings/advice if the school hired someone competent, a parent will just get worried and panic if they don't understand. Then you also have to trust that the child will tell the truth to their parents on what they are doing on the computer, they aren't going to say "Oh yeah, I just DDoSed a website ma." unless they are A+ Stupid.

 

The criteria listed is also a joke, completely useless, just scares and will probably mean that some kids are discouraged from going near a computer at home, or when they do, heavily supervised. It would be helpful to give parents useful information, not this...

I haven't read the article yet, but I will after work. I wrote a long essay and presented it to my English 11 class on the topic of internet dangers/underground groups including ISIS. Scared the poop out of everyone, but that translated into awareness. Once again I have yet to read the articles... so I guess I can't comment on them yet!

I'm scared to watch the video


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I'm not going to comment on the video or the articles. But I do agree with some of you people that this is scaremongering. It's not okay to do that. And some of you pointed out that this is being delivered in the wrong way, which discourages most coders who can land a job as a system admin or a lead programmer in a game development company, or wherever they choose.


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