Low image quality on newer GPUs

[App4that]

Just now, Miscellaneous said:

Yes, but at least it was kind of simple. I mean, now you have issues that could come from everywhere, software or hardware. 

It's like cars, old ones were functional, easy to use and fix. Now you can't put your hands inside because of complexity 

Nah, still simple. Just has to be broken down into more parts. 

[Hunched]

So besides the first TLDR LOD Bias doesn't work (which Nvidia has stated the setting hasn't been functional for a long time, multiple generations) propaganda post about something that isn't news, has ANYONE else tested their GPU in other PC's that work perfectly fine to see what happens?

 

Because unless it's a hardware fault, it's something wrong on your end with your configuration and this doesn't need to be a big deal.

If it's a physical defect on some cards, then it's a problem.

 

I'm not expecting an actual answer or proof from anyone, since this topic is 40 pages long and remarkably little progress in any direction has been made.

Just a lot of fucking mixed messages and confusion.

 

And OP seems like a crazy person with an agenda.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Nvidia at all, and they've done things that we're quite quickly figured out once discovered like the 3.5gb of normal VRAM and the separate, rarely accessed, slower 0.5gb.

This topic though, this is just a clusterfuck of poor detective work.

[Masada02]

I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but has this been brought up before? Not sure if it's fully relevant to the topic either.

 

 

Take note of the edges of the roof where the light shafts are heavily pixelated. Any idea why this happens and if there is any fix? This ONLY happens on my Nvidia GPUs. It NEVER occurred on my Fury X's. While moving, the pixelation is much worse, then when stationary I can watch it tighten up. It never gets all that great though and the above screenshot was taken while stationary. 

[App4that]

7 minutes ago, Masada02 said:

I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but has this been brought up before? Not sure if it's fully relevant to the topic either.

 

 

Take note of the edges of the roof where the light shafts are heavily pixelated. Any idea why this happens and if there is any fix? This ONLY happens on my Nvidia GPUs. It NEVER occurred on my Fury X's. While moving, the pixelation is much worse, then when stationary I can watch it tighten up. It never gets all that great though and the above screenshot was taken while stationary. 

Yep, this I can fix.

 

Turn Godrays completely off, or put them to Ultra. Anything in between will cause this. If you turn them off check in the ini files that the setting is in fact off, likes to jump to low when you're not looking.

[Masada02]

6 minutes ago, App4that said:

Yep, this I can fix.

 

Turn Godrays completely off, or put them to Ultra. Anything in between will cause this. If you turn them off check in the ini files that the setting is in fact off, likes to jump to low when you're not looking.

Hmmm, had Godrays on high for whatever reason. On ultra it's better, but still there. Idk, what's weird is that I haven't messed with setting since my AMD cards and it looked fine on them even though I had to force tessellation to 8x. Maybe there's some setting in the nvidia control panel that I'm missing. 

[App4that]

22 minutes ago, Masada02 said:

Hmmm, had Godrays on high for whatever reason. On ultra it's better, but still there. Idk, what's weird is that I haven't messed with setting since my AMD cards and it looked fine on them even though I had to force tessellation to 8x. Maybe there's some setting in the nvidia control panel that I'm missing. 

I wasn't going to say anything but I know this because both my 290 and 390 had a problem with this. Not a brand thing, but a Bethesda thing. If you turn it off it goes completely away, or if you have the power go above ultra in the ini files. 

[Masada02]

Just now, App4that said:

I wasn't going to say anything but I know this because both my 290 and 390 had a problem with this. Not a brand thing, but a Bethesda thing. If you turn it off it goes completely away, or if you have the power go above ultra in the ini files. 

It's very possible that I could have messed with it in the ini files earlier. I had to edit things for ultrawide support and I feel like I messed with settings to get the AMD cards to run better. Either way, it's better now. Not perfect, but better. Maybe I'll try turning it up in the ini files as well. 

[App4that]

I can't even load Fallout 4 now after 1.3 so you're lucky. Started with stuttering and input lag and now I can't even get past the launcher

 

So trade ya

[MEC-777]

6 hours ago, Miscellaneous said:

Talking about that, I tried some games on my old 1080p 20" monitor, and a lot games looks really "better" in terms of shimmering. All issues are less annoying, and I thought that I wouldn't see some of them if I did not knew. Ironically.

Only some of them though.

Back on this post: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/499767-low-image-quality-on-newer-gpus/?do=findComment&comment=7216846 I calculated the approximate ppi (pixel density) on both your 20" 1080p monitor and your 32" 1440p monitor and concluded that your 20" 1080p display has a higher pixel density (higher ppi) and thus would produce a slightly sharper, more crisp image, viewing at the same relative distance. So yeah, given the same graphics settings, aside from resolution, games will look slightly more sharp, less pixely than on the 1440p display. So I'm not surprised you found games looked better on the 20" 1080p display. 

 

Higher ppi = better image quality.

[Miscellaneous]

2 hours ago, MEC-777 said:

Back on this post: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/499767-low-image-quality-on-newer-gpus/?do=findComment&comment=7216846 I calculated the approximate ppi (pixel density) on both your 20" 1080p monitor and your 32" 1440p monitor and concluded that your 20" 1080p display has a higher pixel density (higher ppi) and thus would produce a slightly sharper, more crisp image, viewing at the same relative distance. So yeah, given the same graphics settings, aside from resolution, games will look slightly more sharp, less pixely than on the 1440p display. So I'm not surprised you found games looked better on the 20" 1080p display. 

 

Higher ppi = better image quality.

Yup that's make sense. I was more looking for the visual artifacts actually.

 

5 hours ago, Hunched said:

So besides the first TLDR LOD Bias doesn't work (which Nvidia has stated the setting hasn't been functional for a long time, multiple generations) propaganda post about something that isn't news, has ANYONE else tested their GPU in other PC's that work perfectly fine to see what happens?

 

Because unless it's a hardware fault, it's something wrong on your end with your configuration and this doesn't need to be a big deal.

If it's a physical defect on some cards, then it's a problem.

 

I'm not expecting an actual answer or proof from anyone, since this topic is 40 pages long and remarkably little progress in any direction has been made.

Just a lot of fucking mixed messages and confusion.

 

And OP seems like a crazy person with an agenda.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Nvidia at all, and they've done things that we're quite quickly figured out once discovered like the 3.5gb of normal VRAM and the separate, rarely accessed, slower 0.5gb.

This topic though, this is just a clusterfuck of poor detective work.

It's not that stupid IMO. Even if all of these issues are all normal issues, there is still something wrong. I mean, with my old card, using higher graphic settings made the games look better, and reduced the fps. That was logical.

Now, even with a card that can handle much more than the highest settings, you have to tweak the game to get rid of artifacts, to be able to play the game as it was created ?

 

The only point of all of this is : if this is normal, this is not an upgrade. If it's not, how to fix it.

Obviously, it is well intended.

 

This thread isn't moving much, because 90% of the posts are about "is it real or not". And that's not a bad thing in my opinion, since I accept more artifacts now, as well as others.

 

Testing the GPU in a working PC as been done in the original post on Geforce forums. No differences in terms of quality

[7850OC]

between this nvidia AA problem
and the intel "lock" news lol

i am so happy with my AMD machine 

[Miscellaneous]

Found this screenshot I took before I changed my screen & my GPU. So I tried to take a new one (bottom picture) more or less identical.

The first one is in 1080p, while the second one is in 1440p.

 

And, well, can't really see any differences. The new one is actually better which is normal since graphics are technically higher as well as resolution.

I'm done. I'm joining the everything-is-alright clan from now I guess 

 

(btw, this is the best way to beat all stunt driver records haha)

[MEC-777]

1 hour ago, 7850OC said:

between this nvidia AA problem
and the intel "lock" news lol

i am so happy with my AMD machine 

If you've looked through at least part of this thread early on, you'd have seen that the problem is not exclusive to Nvidia. That's why the title of the thread was changed. Also, many of us are still not convinced there even is a problem and we are Nvidia users (980/980Ti's etc). Everything looks great on my rig.  

40 minutes ago, Miscellaneous said:

I'm joining the everything-is-alright clan from now I guess 

 

Welcome.

[App4that]

49 minutes ago, Miscellaneous said:

Found this screenshot I took before I changed my screen & my GPU. So I tried to take a new one (bottom picture) more or less identical.

The first one is in 1080p, while the second one is in 1440p.

 

And, well, can't really see any differences. The new one is actually better which is normal since graphics are technically higher as well as resolution.

I'm done. I'm joining the everything-is-alright clan from now I guess 

 

(btw, this is the best way to beat all stunt driver records haha)

I play JC3 on a 27" 1080p monitor. And MEC-777 agree a 27" 1080p monitor is not for anyone picky about image quality lol. I've played around with the settings a bunch but haven't found a way to really get the benefit from running the game in 1440 as you do with other games like ROTTR. Not sure why. 

[Miscellaneous]

This game is poorly optimized overall. Even if you accept the fact that you can't get rid of aliasing, the frame rate management is still complete bs. Activating V-Sync make the game barely playable, and if you deactivate it the screen tearing is madness.

Maybe I should try from the Nvidia panel though.

 

Besides, I noticed some kind of checkerboard effect when meshes fade. Same in a lot of games. Never seen that before. It's like discovering video games again omg I feel stupid.

[daraga123]

1440p changes nothing for me in witcher 3

[MEC-777]

12 hours ago, daraga123 said:

1440p changes nothing for me in witcher 3

What size/resolution was your old monitor and what size is your new 1440p monitor? 

 

Increasing resolution doesn't help if you also increase the size of the display such that the pixel density is not significantly improved. 

[FruitBasketSilex]

This topic has gone nowhere.

[Denisix]

 

 

[MEC-777]

4 minutes ago, Denisix said:

 

 

This is normal aliasing. The game is trying to represent high levels of detail (many fine lines) with limited pixel density. The effect always looks worse when it's trying to render fine lines that are slightly off verticle/horizontal angles. Pixels are tiny squares arranged in a grid. Trying to represent a thin line slightly off angle from the X and Y axis with pixels in a grid gives you this aliasing effect. I can demonstrate with AutoCAD using the images below.

 

See the grid of pixels? 

 

Here's a straight vertical line vs a slightly angled line. Notice how the vertical line is smooth and thin, yet the angled line is "aliased" - not smooth, has "steps" and looks a bit thicker:

 

Close up:

 

Increasing the pixel density (going to a higher resolution at relative display size) is the only way to properly reduce/eliminate this effect. It is normal. 

 

[Denisix]

Yes I here what you say show your video of this sample..and some words

[MEC-777]

34 minutes ago, Denisix said:

Yes I here what you say show your video of this sample..and some words

I took those pictures with my phone of my screen at work. Kind of hard to film that, the camera doesn't like to focus in that close. Don't know what else you want me to say. That's what's happening and that's what you're seeing. 

[VagabondWraith]

So, any new revelations over the past month? MEC, I see you're still fighting the fight, hope all is okay buddy.

[MEC-777]

5 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

So, any new revelations over the past month? MEC, I see you're still fighting the fight, hope all is okay buddy.

Lol, all is well of course.  It's frustrating when people keep posting videos showing normal aliasing effects as if it's some kind of new problem we've never seen before. 

[VagabondWraith]

1 minute ago, MEC-777 said:

Lol, all is well of course.  It's frustrating when people keep posting videos showing normal aliasing effects as if it's some kind of new problem we've never seen before. 

I'm just surprised you're still posting in here. I would've left a long time ago.  But I figured you must be bored or something. ha