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@MEC-777

Dude. You serious?
" Shadowplay offers lower quality than what I used to get with OBS + QuickSync"
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looking way better than Shadowplay"

Isn't it enough to tell that I've tried it? And even that I have to use it now, because OBS doesn't work?
You are thinking too much, is what I think ;)

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Just now, duzy_wonsz said:

@MEC-777

Dude. You serious?
" Shadowplay offers lower quality than what I used to get with OBS + QuickSync"
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looking way better than Shadowplay"

Isn't it enough to tell that I've tried it?

Easy man. I'm just asking a question.

You didn't specify if you tried shadowplay since upgrading to the 960. I though you were talking past-tense, as in - when you had the 770. 


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Not to be THAT GUY, but this topic is already filled with speculations, doubts and unsolved misteries, so it would be better to keep it clean from issues that don't concern the matter at hand duzy-wonsz. Just open another topic to ask for help with graphical issues for specific games or general blue screens / driver failures and i'm sure there'll be plenty of people willing to help.

Here the topic is not about any graphic error your card or drivers might have, it's about people with seemingly broken AA on their systems experiencing very specific shimmering, staircase effects and white jaggies, all complemented by some low res shadow glithces and for some texture pop-ins in ANY softawre or video being played/run.

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Just had a casual search on google cause you never know when someone might have a breakthrough somewhere else. Found nothing new alas, but the posts, also on other forums, of people complaining of this issue are start to pile up by the dozens on the net. Just Tomshardware forums have tens and tens identical posts of people complaining of this issue. Just randomly google "shimmering in all games" "bad draw distance in all games" etc.etc.

I reallly really think this has something to go with either: 1 a small incompatiblity between some hardware and/or softwares installed on a pc. This could explain why some pcs get it, most don't OR 2 a broken driver/directx issue on some rigs.

Just hoping from the jump in visibility this issue is having, with all the new daily cases and people asking for help (not that i'm a fan of other people having issues, mind it), someone finds out something and or really big tech savvies start investigating it seriously. I really wonder if linus ever stumbled in here yet...

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13 minutes ago, daraga123 said:

Guys any news?

No, and there probably won't ever be.

 

None of us are even sure this problem really exists, not to mention, we've got forty different problems being talked about.

 

I'm not surprised this topic hit the 3rd page. Everyone that wants to help knows that there's no point. We've tried reighning you guys in, but you all spout on about different problems, making our job impossible.


 

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7 minutes ago, FruitBasketSilex said:

 

No, and there probably won't ever be.

 

None of us are even sure this problem really exists, not to mention, we've got forty different problems being talked about.

 

I'm not surprised this topic hit the 3rd page. Everyone that wants to help knows that there's no point. We've tried reighning you guys in, but you all spout on about different problems, making our job impossible.

Well,so this is the end? No another topic no specific help no nothing? Goobye gaming.

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12 minutes ago, daraga123 said:

Well,so this is the end? No another topic no specific help no nothing? Goobye gaming.

As far as I'm concerned and after all the research, testing and discussions, I'm convinced that no problem exists in regards to which some here have described. We have seen no evidence to support these claims that cannot be explained by any known facts/information we have available. (we know about the LOD bias problem which is a non-issue at this point). 

 

There's really nothing else left to say. 


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2 hours ago, MEC-777 said:

As far as I'm concerned and after all the research, testing and discussions, I'm convinced that no problem exists in regards to which some here have described. We have seen no evidence to support these claims that cannot be explained by any known facts/information we have available. (we know about the LOD bias problem which is a non-issue at this point). 

 

There's really nothing else left to say. 

Well, I think we did determine beyond and shadow of a doubt that many games these days are rather ineffective in the way they apply AA (since my edits proved that the games can look better, even at the same resolution), and it often leads to edges that are still quite ragged, and often stick out, having whiter pixels than one would expect.  What we have not been able to prove is whether this is an "issue" only some people have, or whether the game just normally looks like that.  Personally, I'm leaning towards the latter, but in my opinion, that doesn't actually matter.  The fact is it is happening, and it's worth investigating any method that could help "solve" it.  Now whether there is anything we as end users can do to this end, or if it is something that only people like game devs and graphics card manufacturers can "fix" is another story, and might mean that there is nothing we can do, but it doesn't mean we can't raise the issue until someone (game dev, etc.) who can fix it puts in the effort and makes it happen.

 

That said, there have been other concerns raised as well, including games having inexplicably blocky shadows and a magical field surrounding the player that makes things render differently within than outside, and claims that these graphical issues actually get worse over time, in quantized, noticeable "steps".  The latter has been unproven thus far but I'm certainly not writing it off just yet.  As for the former, I think that certainly is a unique issue (only affects some people) since we have all seen these games ourselves, and we have seen the graphics settings of those with the issue, and by all that data, it should not be happening, and yet it does.  This too deserves further investigation, whether it means there is a flaw in the game design that causes this, or those people just need to troubleshoot one-on-one.

 

That's what I have to say so far :)

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Already posted a video to show the problem (on the Witcher 2), i could actually record a short minute gameplay of pretty much every game i own having this LOD issue (and i do have a lot!), but i don't have much time neither have a fast enough internet connection to do so.

 

The LOD issue is indeed a problem when people never actually experienced it that badly, while it's not the case for people who actually don't believe there is anything abnormal.

 

I mean, i played few games for hundred of hours, i think I would have noticed from the very beginning it was that terrible, while it was not. I replayed the whole Witcher 3 game for around 150 hours since i have noticed the issue, and you can tell there is weird "invisible bubble" drawing every detail as long as you are 5 meters away, that i've never experienced in my first playthrought, same goes for AC IV Black Flag, same goes for The Witcher 2, same goes for Sleeping Dogs, and can actually say the rest of my Steam/Origin/Uplay libraries.

 

Some people actually asked for videos footage from before and after, but how in hell the people concerned could have known this problem would have happen ?

 

And there is not only people interacting here experiencing this, i've actually joined a french topic with people having the same damn thing since they changed graphic card, updated drivers, or neither of both, all of sudden. How can you ever think we went crazy bonkers on such graphic weird rendering just like that ?

 

Being clueless don't mean there is not something wrong. Actually be happy to not have this issue. I don't wish it for any gamers.

 

 

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Hi everyone,

 

Just wanted to add my own experience, since I have the same issue for 3 days now.

I bought a KFA2 GTX970 EXOC to replace an old (but working, haha) HD7870. Didn't noticed the issue at first, MGS5 worked fine. But things got dirty when I launched Just Cause 3. I noticed white dots in all reflections, no more antialiasing anywhere, and some thin parts were disappearing like if it was really far from me. Didn't took that as an error at first, I thought that the game was poorly optimized.

Anyway, then I launched Killing Floor 2, and I couldn't deny that there where an issue. Aliasing, and dots, everywhere.

 

Tested some others games, no differences.

But what killed me, it's when I put back my HD7870. God, so this story about this "hardware virus" thing I read wasn't a joke ?

 

I read almost all the original thread on geforce forums expecting a fix, so I came here.

And please, stop saying it's the game engine, or what the developers wanted to do. I mean, I play since years, we play since years. We're not stupid. I can see the difference between what is supposed to be here, and what is not. And since I'm playing with a 2560 x 1440 monitor, there is even less excuses about aliasing, that shouldn't be there.

I uploaded a video about Killing Floor 2 and shimmering issues here (I see them better here when in 1080p windowed)

 

Also attached two screenshots. You need to look at 100% size to see reflections or grass fading in dots.

 

However, I would be glad to add the things a found, and speculations :

 

- Desktop is also affected, to a lesser extent, by aliasing, and some kind of white accentuation on some edges (both are linked, I guess),

- All softwares, as 3D or Adobe Suite are affected by aliasing (this is what bother me the most actually),

- Since the installation, I hear Coil Whine. EVEN with my old card, which never had this issue.

- CPU seems to have small issues with current or something from time to time. (i5-3570K, was OC @ 4,2Ghz but not anymore since the bois update I did yesterday).

- Strange sounds coming from motherboard under load, need to check that further.

 

Nothing was present before, of course.

 

My speculations are :

 

- It seems that the card is in a kind of fixed-ultra-low-power mode, that force without asking lots of settings to the minimum possible, or below. The issues look a lot like the performance setting here :nd8y00.png

 

- I didn't see anybody talking about the windows parameters sync between computers. Maybe that could explain why laptops are sometimes infected ? Doesn't explain about consoles etc, though. The current theory is a little bit hard to believe actually.

 

I'm following every clue I find, can't imagine not resolving this issue.

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EDIT : be aware that all of this look really worse when in game. Like if there were another bad filter applied right before it's sent to the screen..

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Yep, it seems like this form is going to end up like all the others with people giving up and declaring that since they can't figure it out that this must be normal = BULLSHIT.  I, as well as MANY others, know for a fact that this isn't normal especially when I see in real time with my own eyes that this is not occurring on my friend's rig with the exact same hardware and settings.  I am returning all my pc components to micro center today.  I'm tired of looking at my pc just sitting there with no desire to use it. I hope to build and play again in the future when this problem hopefully gets figured out. This is insane.  Don't give in to denial simply because we don't understand what's happening. 

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I've just remembered that at first launch, probably in MGS5, there were a burning smell for like a minute or so. On the moment I considered this had to be dust, but maybe something burnt on mobo ? Didn't see any artifact on screen though. Anybody experienced the same thing ?

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No, and i think if that was the case, my laptop would have encounter more issues. Burning smell is definitely not a good sign generally, experienced it the hard way on my previous ROG.

 

And as hard it is to believe, few people actually tried to change every piece of hardware possible to figure out which could provoke this, without getting rid of it even with a new rig.

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19 minutes ago, Miscellaneous said:

I was wondering, maybe we could check what are the files edited by the ENB to find something ?

Angalote is posting here if I remember correctly

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Except the ENB only affects that one game. Doesn't explain the issues people are claiming to have with numerous other games which remain un-modded. 

 

I'm running sharpshooter's classic ENB with Skyrim and don't have these shimmering issues. 


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Today, someone came over to trade their 980 for my R9 Fury. Remembering this thread, I tested my Fury, and ingrained pictures of Oblivion (Old game) and The Witcher 3 (New game).

 

I popped in the 980 to test it, and sure enough, only the colours looked duller, expected on NVIDIA, other than that, looked exactly the same.

 

Oblivion is a different story though. Everything looks much more aliased with the 980. Needless to say, I kept the Fury.


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1 hour ago, Noirgheos said:

Today, someone came over to trade their 980 for my R9 Fury. Remembering this thread, I tested my Fury, and ingrained pictures of Oblivion (Old game) and The Witcher 3 (New game).

 

I popped in the 980 to test it, and sure enough, only the colours looked duller, expected on NVIDIA, other than that, looked exactly the same.

 

Oblivion is a different story though. Everything looks much more aliased with the 980. Needless to say, I kept the Fury.

Were you running the exact same settings with both cards?


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1 minute ago, MEC-777 said:

Were you running the exact same settings with both cards?

Yep, no control panel settings were on. Hairworks was off for both on Witcher 3.


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