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consoles have one thing that pc doesnt have, and will never realistically get. split screen gaming.

yes its starting to get phased out of the console world, but its still there. and yes i realize you can make it work on pc, but its a pain in the ass.

you cant do party gaming on a pc. yea you could do a lan party if you have the space. but the ability to have a bunch of friends over, sit on the couch and all plug a controller in, is feature that is unique to consoles.

 

 

tom already owns a computer that he uses to check his email and watch porn when his wife is "too tired". he should get a 750ti and a steam account

 

You can easily do split screen gaming on a PC. What is stopping you?

 

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You can turn on a PC, throw a CD in it, and play a game. With no worries about an OS. There are pre-built systems out there for a reason. A console, is basically a tuned down PC, with an OS that can only be repaired if shipped out.

 

At least on a PC, if the OS breaks you can repair it in your own home. I've had more problems with Consoles and have seen other people have the same issues with consoles, than I have had with any PC.

 

You keep repeating yourself with the assumption that a console gamer is going to have any idea what to do if, for example, they get a BSoD. I know several console gamers who don't know the first thing about windows and really don't give a shit, they just want to have fun with friends or play the latest exclusive title, so they do exactly that.

Why can't you just let them be happy how they want to be happy? What's the big fucking deal, honestly?

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I don't really see consoles as being simplicity, when they break and overheat all the time. I had an Xbox 360 and a PS3, I had to buy a new one every few months.

You must not take care of your stuff then or you live in the middle of a volcano.

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Why can't you just let them be happy how they want to be happy? What's the big fucking deal, honestly?

 

It's pretty common I think to be of the mindset that "I'm perfectly happy to let them run whatever they want, so long as you are making that decision consciously; I will not stand for people who don't realize or refuse to recognize that PC has better graphics, FPS, mods, controls, etc." and I get it :)

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Meh, I'm here to discuss, not argue. 

 

The points given to me of why consoles should stick around doesn't really make sense to me. 

Everything is prone to breaking. I feel that people think that consoles are more resistant than PC's.

Neither is more resistant, I just never understood why people pay more, for less.

 

Sure you don't care about the specs, you don't care about the graphics, ect. You don't care, but don't you care about your money? You pay extra for your games, you have literally no free games. You pay extra for your out-of-date hardware. You pay extra just to PLAY. Like literally, you pay to play online?! What the hell. You can buy BF4 cheaper, and play online for free! I don't understand why even if you don't care about the specs, the hardware, anything. I would think you would care about your money that you work hard for. Or at least that your parents worked hard for.

 

And I could go much longer about this. Besides the valid point of money.

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You can easily do split screen gaming on a PC. What is stopping you?

cant actually watch the link right now(domain is blocked at work) but yes i know its possible, its not easy(doing it the way linus did, or even doing it the right way, which he didnt..). there are a couple games that support it, but the vast majority dont, and the ones that do, are mostly crap.

 

Yes. Local multiplayer in general is also lacking on PCs right now.  No reason why it couldn't improve, but while it remains an issue, like exclusives, that's another reason to have a console.

Are you sure?  Are you sure he doesn't have an iPad? :P

normally i dont argue for exclusives, but especially in the case of nintendo, mario party, smash brothers. these experiences cant be had on a pc(yes they can be emulated be lets be honest, smash bros on emulator sucks)  i hate consoles, i really do, but they have their place.

 

if Tom has an iPad then he can take his starbucks and his scarf and die in hipster hell!! (for reals though, he probably also has a laptop for "work" that he can at least play basic games on"

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It's pretty common I think to be of the mindset that "I'm perfectly happy to let them run whatever they want, so long as you are making that decision consciously; I will not stand for people who don't realize or refuse to recognize that PC has better graphics, FPS, mods, controls, etc." and I get it  :)

People that don't realise PCs have better graphics etc. don't care enough about graphics or fps in the first place, or they'd research it and end up playing on a PC. People that refuse to accept it aren't worth the energy to try and convince otherwise. So it really is a matter of caring, and some people just don't.

I play on consoles almost as much as I play on my PC these days, I know the PC has better graphics but I don't care that a console doesn't because I understand the limitations of consoles. I don't expect them to blow me away, so I don't feel disappointment when I use them, and I have just as much fun on a console with my friends as I do on a PC with my friends.

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People that don't realise PCs have better graphics etc. don't care enough about graphics or fps in the first place, or they'd research it and end up playing on a PC. People that refuse to accept it aren't worth the energy to try and convince otherwise. So it really is a matter of caring, and some people just don't.

I play on consoles almost as much as I play on my PC these days, I know the PC has better graphics but I don't care that a console doesn't because I understand the limitations of consoles. I don't expect them blow me away, so I don't feel disappointment when I use them, and I have just as much fun on a console with my friends as I do on a PC with my friends.

 

 

Well you say not caring, when ignorance should be more in place. Refusing facts is just ignorance. Accepting the facts and doing as you do is just not caring.

But let me ask you this, seriously.

 

Why play on console? Why pay extra for your games? Why pay to play online? Do you perhaps have like, a console, and maybe a device like a Roku that lets you stream netflix, hulu, amazon plus? Anything like that? Do you have other devices plugged into your TV besides your console?

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I think this whole argument might boil down to one fundamental disconnect: What consoles currently offer vs the fact that PCs could completely replace them (but have not yet).

 

Sure, the list of ways in which PC is better is embarrassingly lengthy, but so long as there is at least one legitimate reason for people to own consoles (they find them easier, they have games PC doesn't, etc.) they will continue to exist.

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I think this whole argument might boil down to one fundamental disconnect: What consoles currently offer vs the fact that PCs could completely replace them (but have not yet).

 

Sure, the list of ways in which PC is better is embarrassingly lengthy, but so long as there is at least one legitimate reason for people to own consoles (they find them easier, they have games PC doesn't, etc.) they will continue to exist.

 

Which is complete and udder shit in my opinion, but I can't blame them for that. People hate change. I love change.

 

It really bothers me though when people pay 350 bucks for a PlayStation. Then pay 150 bucks for a Roku or any other streaming devices, and buy maybe some form of music docking station for their TV and Phone to play music our YouTube off your TV speakers. What-say-you. When for 350 bucks, a computer could do all of that and more.

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Which is complete and udder shit in my opinion, but I can't blame them for that. People hate change. I love change.

 

It really bothers me though when people pay 350 bucks for a PlayStation. Then pay 150 bucks for a Roku or any other streaming devices, and buy maybe some form of music docking station for their TV and Phone to play music our YouTube off your TV speakers. What-say-you. When for 350 bucks, a computer could do all of that and more.

That happens for the same reason $100 HDMI cables exist :P

 

Oh, and just in case it's not clear where I stand so far, I'm PC all the way.  I only game on PC and I think they should eventually take over.  I'm just playing devil's advocate for now since for the time being, there is (unfortunately) a reason for them to exist.

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LOL The HD 7870 shits on the Xbone and Pisspoor graphics.

 

I don't know why people say it's as powerful as that. 

 

Because the GPU portion of the APU in the PS4 is based on the 7870 dGPU and the Xboxone GPU is based on a slightly cut down version of the same GPU. What they forget is the memory in the Xboxone is much slower DDR3 which makes the GPU equivalent potential performance closer to that of a 7790. The PS4 with faster DDR4 ram puts it closer to that of a 7850.

 

But, this doesn't mean the consoles are as capable as a PC with the same GPU. That depends on other factors (what CPU the PC is using etc.).

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The consoles are well on their way out the door. They are the Elvis Leaving The Building.

Consoles used to be an excellent way for people to play games way back when. Back in the day when computers barely had enough graphical power to drive a screen. They were special because they ran on custom-built hardware that was built for the sole purpose of rendering relatively complicated graphical models and scenes very very quickly whilst not drinking power from the wall. Then 3D accelerators came to the PC. They were weak compared to the hardware on the consoles and so no one really paid them any mind. Around 2006 when the Xbox 360, Wii and PS3 came out, PCs still weren't the most kickass things on the market, not by a longshot. High-end gaming PCs were expensive and didn't really offer that much power in comparison.

 

 The problem with the consoles is that they are released over extended periods of time, about once every five to seven years. PCs on the other hand, grew and indeed continue to grow in computational horsepower once every six months, with rather large bumps in performance in some aspect with every Computex or CES expo that happened. The consoles on the other hand, are not due for a refresh for another several years, and whilst consoles may have hiked up 50% in performance since 2007, the PC has easily doubled its capabilities since that time. Also, because of the vast abundance of older yet still powerful hardware lying around, I for instance can pick up parts to build a console-killing machine for around half the MSRP of the consoles, and spend the rest on about two dozen massively wickedly cool titles (many of which you can't get on consoles) and that's not even counting the stuff I can get from steam sales. Consoles just aren't updated often or drastically enough to catch up with the now-obscenely-fast PCs, which just a single console generation ago were no more powerful for the price, yet now are several times more powerful for the price, and about a thousand times more versatile. The consoles never even saw it coming, and because of the business model they're entrenched in, they couldn't catch up to the PC even if they wanted to.

And for those who use consoles because they're easier to use and they don't have to dick around with a load of stuff... Honestly, that says a lot more about those sorts of people than it does about the PC, because honestly my PC is faster and easier at opening up games. Boot from cold startup in 15 seconds, open Steam in half a second, start up CS:GO in five seconds. No fumbling around with profiles and logging in and inserting disks. I'm up and playing CS:GO in under a minute, and with my five-monitor setup, I can listen to music on youtube, browse the forums, chat on Google Hangouts with project buddies and have a file explorer dialogue open at the same time as having CS:GO running in the background.

 

TL;DR, Consoles have their place for now, but they're a dying breed. They're too big, too expensive, too limited and too slow to remain relevant for long. Look at how much their price plummeted in the past couple of years! They've halved in price and have thrown-in games. That smacks of desperation to me.

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Because the GPU portion of the APU in the PS4 is based on the 7870 dGPU and the Xboxone GPU is based on a slightly cut down version of the same GPU. What they forget is the memory in the Xboxone is much slower DDR3 which makes the GPU equivalent potential performance closer to that of a 7790. The PS4 with faster DDR4 ram puts it closer to that of a 7850.

 

But, this doesn't mean the consoles are as capable as a PC with the same GPU. That depends on other factors (what CPU the PC is using etc.).

I think the video mentioned in the OP sums it up nicely.  A 5 year old GPU couldn't be underclocked enough to match the performance of the "next-gen" consoles :D

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Consoles have their place and some people prefer to game on them. It's a fact of reality. We all need to get over ourselves (pcmr) and just accept it. 

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I think the video mentioned in the OP sums it up nicely.  A 5 year old GPU couldn't be underclocked enough to match the performance of the "next-gen" consoles :D

That was the killer punchline for me. That's how far the PCs have come in the past ten years, we're at the point where relatively ancient hardware beats the consoles outright. That's just sad.

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Consoles have their place and some people prefer to game on them. It's a fact of reality. We all need to get over ourselves (pcmr) and just accept it. 

That's what I was saying earlier.  It is unfortunate though when there's no reason PC's couldn't replace consoles if a few things happened (better local multiplayer features in more games, generally easier to use, no more console exclusives) yet they don't happen, and thus consoles have to continue to exist.  And I'm not trying to deprive console users of their beloved; I'd like everyone to be able to enjoy the same quality gaming experience, without having to give up all the benefits of PC for the few benefits of consoles.

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Consoles have their place and some people prefer to game on them. It's a fact of reality. We all need to get over ourselves (pcmr) and just accept it. 

 

The fact of the matter is, even if you prefer to game on them, it's pointless and redundant. It's more of an ignorance than a "not caring".

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TL;DR, Consoles have their place for now, but they're a dying breed. They're too big, too expensive, too limited and too slow to remain relevant for long. Look at how much their price plummeted in the past couple of years! They've halved in price and have thrown-in games. That smacks of desperation to me.

 

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Meh. PS4 > 7850 and Xone = 7790

I think that might be a bit of an overestimate on both counts, but probably close

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I think that might be a bit of an overestimate on both counts, but probably close

PS4's GPU is actually on par with the R7 265 (I say that because the 7850 is a bit slower) and the Xbox One's GPU is a literal copypaste of the 7790.

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Consoles have their place and some people prefer to game on them. It's a fact of reality. We all need to get over ourselves (pcmr) and just accept it. 

With the exception of the PCMR members who are actually really hardcore anti-console, most of us didn't even have anything to get over. The whole PCMR thing is the result of a haywire inferiority complex.

 

2000:

Console Gamer: Hey, so you into any games?

PC Gamer: Yeah, a few, I play games on my PC...

Console Gamer: Oh really, what sort?

PC Gamer: Half-Life, Deus Ex, Quake, Shadow Warrior...

Console: Cool! I like these games... *lists off*

PC Gamer: Oh, yeah, isn't that the one where...

 

2007:

Console Gamer: Hey, so you into any games?

PC Gamer: Yeah, a few, I play games on my PC...

Console Gamer: Oh really, what sort?

PC Gamer: Half-Life 2, Crysis, Bioshock...

Console: Cool! I like these games... *lists off*

PC Gamer: Pretty sweet deal...!

2014:

Console Gamer: Hey, so, what games do you play?

PC Gamer: Oh, I play various sorts, some indie titles, that sorta thing...

Console Gamer: Oh ok, what do you have, a PS4, Xbox One, 360...?

PC Gamer: I don't have a console. I just play on my PC.

Console Gamer: Really? Hmm... You should get a console so we can hang out and play games on Xbox Live or something.

PC Gamer: Ehhhhhh... Maybe not...

Console Gamer: Whynat?

PC Gamer: It's a bit too expensive.

Console Gamer: Whaaaaat, no it's not, PCs are the expensive ones man.

PC Gamer: Eh, I like to do a lot with my PC, and besides, my 290 only cost me like, $300 used.

Console Gamer: well... well consoles have exclusives!

PC Gamer: O.o (wut?) uhhh, sure...

 

I think you can see where this is going. Console Gamer thought his consoles were still relevant but heard that the PCs had somehow become really really powerful. He doesn't believe this of course - Consoles have never been beaten by PCs before this (but he didn't know about the 480 4 years prior...) and he tries defending the consoles, and after about a dozen tries of various kinds "More Cinematic" "GDDR5" "Controllers is bettar" "Easier" "I can play from my couch" are each effortlessly countered in turn by the PC gamer, the console gamer just starts getting angry and abusive. So the PC gamer, surprised and frustrated and kind of miffed that his old friend has become so blindly ignorant to pure numbers, starts the GloriousPCGamingMasterRace in response, as a counteractive stonewall to the Console Gamer's newfound ignorance. And he turns to Lord Gaben for support and guidance.

And so here we are a year later. A console-destroying 290X is now half the cost that the consoles initially were even without the games, and the consoles have stayed more or less where they were when they were released.

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The fact of the matter is, even if you prefer to game on them, it's pointless and redundant. It's more of an ignorance than a "not caring".

 

No, not to everyone. Some people just want to sit down and play games. They don't want to build or buy a desktop PC for gaming and they don't need or want to have the best graphics with the highest frame rates, nor do they buy tons of games on a regular basis. They like to keep PC tasks and gaming separate. That is their preference, it is neither right nor wrong and not born of ignorance either. The only ignorance is us not respecting their personal preferences, whether we agree with them or not.

 

Note: I'm not talking about console fan boys who believe they are the bees knees of gaming graphics etc. I'm talking about people who simply prefer to enjoy their games on console (casual gamers). 

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