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[REVIEW] Beyerdynamic T1 2. Generation

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, sszorin said:

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I think you may have made an "error" with your post formatting, as you keep posting a garbled mess of nested quotes.

 

I haven't heard the original T1. For all I know, it could be amazing. I know some people like to think that it is in the same league as the HD800.

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10 hours ago, SSL said:

 

 

I've never understood your complains about most headphones either; so we can assume that your ears and preferences are just extremely different from mine.

I guess so, but do I really complain about headphones? Out of the 20+ TOTL/hi-fi cans I've heard / owned I've only had two disappoint me (HE-560 and LCD 2.2)


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1 hour ago, Octavialicious said:

I guess so, but do I really complain about headphones? Out of the 20+ TOTL/hi-fi cans I've heard / owned I've only had two disappoint me (HE-560 and LCD 2.2)

 

I could be misrepresenting what you said, but my impression was that it took you a very long time to find a headphone that you were satisfied with. How many of the ones you tried that disappointed you I can't say.

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1 hour ago, Octavialicious said:

I guess so, but do I really complain about headphones? Out of the 20+ TOTL/hi-fi cans I've heard / owned I've only had two disappoint me (HE-560 and LCD 2.2)

Being curious, what was it about the two that disappointed you? I had the LCD2.2 nF and while I do appreciate the way it presented deep bass that is also tight, its rather dark sound signature (to my ears) ruled it out of a permanent place in my collection. The HE-560 (with SMC sockets) is rather pleasing to me, tight bass with good mids (sounds good to me anyway) and nice sparkling treble (NOT as sparkly as my Grado GS1000i, HD800 and K812 though). Next to the HEK, it sounds more analytical, not as euphonic (and perhaps warm'ish) as the HEK. I tend to favor cans with good bass and great treble (generally like V-shape and U-shape sound signature)


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51 minutes ago, SSL said:

 

I could be misrepresenting what you said, but my impression was that it took you a very long time to find a headphone that you were satisfied with. How many of the ones you tried that disappointed you I can't say.

Ah, it could appear that way. I just like trying new headphones but I could have been happy with almost all of them. But now that I've tried everything but Abyss I'm happy chilling with HE-6 for a while

37 minutes ago, GamerDude said:

Being curious, what was it about the two that disappointed you? I had the LCD2.2 nF and while I do appreciate the way it presented deep bass that is also tight, its rather dark sound signature (to my ears) ruled it out of a permanent place in my collection. The HE-560 (with SMC sockets) is rather pleasing to me, tight bass with good mids (sounds good to me anyway) and nice sparkling treble (NOT as sparkly as my Grado GS1000i, HD800 and K812 though). Next to the HEK, it sounds more analytical, not as euphonic (and perhaps warm'ish) as the HEK. I tend to favor cans with good bass and great treble (generally like V-shape and U-shape sound signature)

LCD 2.2 was too muddy, and that's coming from someone who loves a lot of bass response (I have modded HE-6 with hella bass EQ haha) And for the most part I thought it didn't do anything super well. Again, a lot of people love it for its bass and I felt that wasnt that special either (Oddly enough, it's older brother the LCD-3 ranks 2nd on my list)

 

HE-560 was just weird, that's all I can say about it. Nothing was specifically bad, I just felt I was listening to a bunch of sounds instead of it being listening to a song. I could NOT get into any music with them. Gave it two weeks, but ultimately gave up. 

 

Btw I don't know if you remember, but I was the guy with the HE-X. Finally got to try the HE-K and it wasn't all that I expected. It doesn't even break into my top 7 ranking :c Still prefer HE-X, which sits at #3 for me. I thought the people who said HE-6 was better than HE-X were crazy, but I would have to agree. For my odd sound signature tastes and specific genres I can't say I've heard anything like it


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Heh, different strokes for different folks I guess. The HEK is wonderfully euphonic, I can spend the whole afternoon just chilling and enjoying music, I can't seem to do that with my HD800 and K812 (and to a lesser degree, the HE560), they're just too analytical.....I can't seem to shake this urge to take note of how this or that sounded like, I find myself spending my time listening to the sound rather than the music. I don't do that with the HEK, I'm not saying the HEK isn't as detailed sounding as them, just in a softer/'fuzzier' sorta of way, it's more forgiving than the other two as well. I can lose an entire afternoon just chillaxing to my fave tunes with the HEK.

 

BTW, have you tried the Dharma Acoustics D1000? I'm kinda curious 'bout it since it's a hybrid can (electret/dynamic).......also curious about the Ether Flow and Focal Elear.


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8 minutes ago, GamerDude said:

Heh, different strokes for different folks I guess. The HEK is wonderfully euphonic, I can spend the whole afternoon just chilling and enjoying music, I can't seem to do that with my HD800 and K812 (and to a lesser degree, the HE560), they're just too analytical.....I can't seem to shake this urge to take note of how this or that sounded like, I find myself spending my time listening to the sound rather than the music. I don't do that with the HEK, I'm not saying the HEK isn't as detailed sounding as them, just in a softer/'fuzzier' sorta of way, it's more forgiving than the other two as well. I can lose an entire afternoon just chillaxing to my fave tunes with the HEK.

Have you tried the super dupont mod on the hd800? I find it makes em much more entertaining to listen to and less "analytical" especially off my Asgard 2, it's a bit warmer than my previous Magni 2, it brought out quite a bit of sub-bass that wasn't there on the Magni 2. 


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2 minutes ago, Lays said:

Have you tried the super dupont mod on the hd800? I find it makes em much more entertaining to listen to and less "analytical" especially off my Asgard 2, it's a bit warmer than my previous Magni 2, it brought out quite a bit of sub-bass that wasn't there on the Magni 2. 

Heh, you'd done it already? I need to research a little more, but what size hole punchers did you use? More interested in the bass enhancement part since I have no issue with its sparkling treble. You're the second guy who've mentioned this improvement in bass.....


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5 minutes ago, GamerDude said:

Heh, you'd done it already? I need to research a little more, but what size hole punchers did you use? More interested in the bass enhancement part since I have no issue with its sparkling treble. You're the second guy who've mentioned this improvement in bass.....

 

I bought mine already modded, but I had a pair of non modded ones previously.  I don't have issues with the treble either, but I think it makes them much more enjoyable.  I recently upgraded my magni 2 to an asgard 2 and I like that even more, the sub bass definitely came out to play, they are real nice now :D


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5 minutes ago, Lays said:

 

I bought mine already modded, but I had a pair of non modded ones previously.  I don't have issues with the treble either, but I think it makes them much more enjoyable.  I recently upgraded my magni 2 to an asgard 2 and I like that even more, the sub bass definitely came out to play, they are real nice now :D

Ooh, I really must find the time to 'SuperDupont' mod mine!B| I'd like to spray paint mine as well since I don't intend to sell mine at all. A mod that improves on the bass of the HD800 is definitely something I can sink my teeth into.

 

I've always wanted to try the T1 (and T1 v2) but have never found the time and/or opportunity to do so. I've read some compare it favorably against the HD800, and though some trash it, I feel my K812 stacks up well against the HD800 as well.


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Ooh, I really must find the time to 'SuperDupont' mod mine!B| I'd like to spray paint mine as well since I don't intend to sell mine at all. A mod that improves on the bass of the HD800 is definitely something I can sink my teeth into.

 

I've always wanted to try the T1 (and T1 v2) but have never found the time and/or opportunity to do so. I've read some compare it favorably against the HD800, and though some trash it, I feel my K812 stacks up well against the HD800 as well.

 

I don't think it necessarily adds bass, I think bringing down the treble slightly makes the bass more noticeable. 


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2 minutes ago, Lays said:

 

I don't think it necessarily adds bass, I think bringing down the treble slightly makes the bass more noticeable. 

Hmmm, quite possible as well......still, this enhancement sounds like something I'd like. Just need to find time and a place I can get all the necessary material needed for the mod. Also thinking of give it the HD800S look by painting it black.....perhaps I ought get adventurous and spray paint it some sorta neon color.^_^


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6 hours ago, GamerDude said:

I can't seem to do that with my HD800 and K812 (and to a lesser degree, the HE560), they're just too analytical.....

 

HE-560 pretty much requires Focus-A pads. 2-ply TP in front of the driver takes it the final 1%.

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1 hour ago, SSL said:

 

HE-560 pretty much requires Focus-A pads. 2-ply TP in front of the driver takes it the final 1%.

Thanks for the tips, umm, what's TP? Please remember, I'm rather new at this. I've bookmarked a link for the SuperDupont mod at HF, any link to this particular mod for the HE560?


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40 minutes ago, GamerDude said:

Thanks for the tips, umm, what's TP? Please remember, I'm rather new at this. I've bookmarked a link for the SuperDupont mod at HF, any link to this particular mod for the HE560?

 

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4 hours ago, SSL said:

 

HE-560 pretty much requires Focus-A pads. 2-ply TP in front of the driver takes it the final 1%.

Well I cannot get Focus-A pads sadly..


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4 hours ago, Dackzy said:

Well I cannot get Focus-A pads sadly..

 

But I assume you can get toilet paper.

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6 hours ago, SSL said:

 

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LMAO, live and learn is all I can say!xD So, Focus-A pads + a TP mod (LOL!) would do it for the HE560......will go to the local HFM distributor and order the Focus-A then.


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8 minutes ago, GamerDude said:

LMAO, live and learn is all I can say!xD So, Focus-A pads + a TP mod (LOL!) would do it for the HE560......will go to the local HFM distributor and order the Focus-A then.

 

I'll be interested to hear what you think of them. Objectively, the Focus-A takes down some of the bump near 4kHz. I also thought it improved the soundstage a bit.

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But I assume you can get toilet paper.

well yeah ofc


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Nothing like exhuming an old thread, ey? 

 

But I just spend some days with the Beyerdynamic T1, 2nd generation, and I can fully confirm that these suck. 

 

Not everything about them and not with every music though. 

 

Choirs performing Gospel and Spirtuals sounded fantasic, almost out of this world. Same for female singer-songwriters with small bands. Also, small jazz ensembles sounded like pure bliss. As soon as I tried to listen to something more "difficult", something with more instruments and more dynamic ranges, things fell apart before my eyes, ahm, ears. It's allmost as if the T! cannot cope with the sonic requirements of rock bands, big bands or orchesters. Everythings sounds tinny and shrill and dissected into little ugly pieces. 

 

Of course the folks on the forums told me I am doing it all wrong by listening to the T1 plugged to the headphone jack of my 2.000-Dollar-Receiver. "You need a special Headphone amp", I was told. Well, I agree that a dedicated Headphone Amp should and often can make Cans sound even better, but no flagship headphone should sound like total crap out of the jack of a pretty good Stereo-Amp.  I tend to agree that Beyerdynamic messed up and the fanboys out there are all shouting: "Look at the beautiull clothes of gthe naked emperor!°"

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