Best starter CPU?

[Prysin]

Yep. That's exactly the kind of scenarios a G3258 should be used for,and why for a gaming rig its always an i3 over the G3258.

 

 

Or Athlon 860k/FX 6300 if you REALLY need to cheap out

[Dabombinable]

Or Athlon 860k/FX 6300 if you REALLY need to cheap out

True, but then your wasting your money which would be best spent after you've saved up enough for decent components.

[Prysin]

True, but then your wasting your money which would be best spent after you've saved up enough for decent components.

sort of....

i still say you should buy Skylake i3 due to higher IPC, which really helps a dual core with hyper-threading... but it is so expensive and the i5 6400 is like, 20 bucks more, but way better....

the i3 4170 is really good bang for your buck, but you gotta flesh out a little bit in order to get a decent mobo (like i showed earlier)... an i3 should comfortably be able to push 2x R9 380s, so there is that. I know a FX 6300 CAN push R9 380s in CF (especially after the 15.201 Catalyst driver, due to AMD decreasing CPU overhead. This gave us almost 200k drawcalls improvement).

 

Haswell is a better platform, but to "make it better" you need to have the features... unfortunatly, atm, you gotta flesh out alot to mach the lower end 970 AM3+ boards feature wise... which means that FX 6300 is cheaper by a small margin, but will perform VERY close to the i3, unless you specifically play single or dual core games...

 

 

This is why FX/Athlon is worth it...

While you may not get the upgrade path, you get features + performance for lower cost. It is hard to argue with this really....

 

If only there was a low end intel board with a M.2 port for a NVME SSD.... then AMD wouldnt have jack shit to compete with.

[Dustin22]

nah. they are all Athlon 860k with iGPUs that are strong.

you are better off with a FX 6300/I3 4170 + R9 380 then you EVER will be with a A10 7850k or 7870k APU...

Ive built several APU systems, and while they are great in certain settings, they really suck in others.

 

However, if you do not mind playing at only 30FPS in most AAA title games, then YES!, the A10 series are pretty damn good.

what if I have a gtx 750ti in the build also? would the X4 860K be fine or would the upgrade to an A10-7870K be worth it? Or maybe a i3-4170...?

[Guest trucker2]

The 860k. The 7870k would get you an on-chip r7 250 which would be disabled as soon as you plug in the 750ti. The 750 ti is far better then the r7 250 using system ram. I would not buy I 750 ti for a build, they are great as a drop in card for existing pre-builts.

[Prysin]

what if I have a gtx 750ti in the build also? would the X4 860K be fine or would the upgrade to an A10-7870K be worth it? Or maybe a i3-4170...?

A6, A8 and A10 is supposed to be used without a GFX card.

 

My suggestion is to get the FX 6300, or if you can afford it , the Core i3 4170 (generally the best option)

 

As for graphics card, get a R9 270 or a cheap R9 285, it is way stronger then the 750Ti like way way stronger, but they do not cost that much more.

 

A decent setup would be:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($98.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock 970M PRO3 Micro ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard  ($63.89 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 285 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($179.99 @ Directron)

Total: $342.77

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-18 05:17 EDT-0400

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($114.88 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($67.89 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 285 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($179.99 @ Directron)

Total: $362.76

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-18 05:18 EDT-0400

 

You can get a cheaper mobo for intel, but you would loose out on features... you still lose out on a few features with this mobo, but in general that is a damn good mobo

 

The BEST setup you can get for cheap is this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($114.88 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: MSI H97M-G43 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($86.65 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card  ($196.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Total: $398.51

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-18 05:24 EDT-0400

 

get that mobo, slap a $199 Samsung 950 Pro 256GB NVME M.2 SSD in there and have the nippiest i3 you will ever have the pleasure to own.

[Dabombinable]

A6, A8 and A10 is supposed to be used without a GFX card.

 

My suggestion is to get the FX 6300, or if you can afford it , the Core i3 4170 (generally the best option)

 

As for graphics card, get a R9 270 or a cheap R9 285, it is way stronger then the 750Ti like way way stronger, but they do not cost that much more.

 

A decent setup would be:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($98.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock 970M PRO3 Micro ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard  ($63.89 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 285 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($179.99 @ Directron)

Total: $342.77

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-18 05:17 EDT-0400

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($114.88 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($67.89 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 285 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($179.99 @ Directron)

Total: $362.76

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-18 05:18 EDT-0400

 

You can get a cheaper mobo for intel, but you would loose out on features... you still lose out on a few features with this mobo, but in general that is a damn good mobo

 

The BEST setup you can get for cheap is this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor  ($114.88 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: MSI H97M-G43 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($86.65 @ OutletPC)

Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 380 2GB Video Card  ($196.98 @ SuperBiiz)

Total: $398.51

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-18 05:24 EDT-0400

 

get that mobo, slap a $199 Samsung 950 Pro 256GB NVME M.2 SSD in there and have the nippiest i3 you will ever have the pleasure to own.

I will say this however, 2GB of vRAm is really starting to be not quite enough for 1080p-it will do the job but we are at the point where it is starting to become the old 512MB in the days where 1GB was becoming mainstream.

[Nena Trinity]

860K(cheap and value) or FX-6300(best) but i3(future proof) is good if you want upgrade path for later?

[s3ns3]

the best 'starter' cpu is the cheap pentium g3258. it performs good for its price,it can be overclocked on any h81/b85 mobo and the most important part is the upgrade path. later you can buy an i5 4460 and use it on the same motherboard.

 

 

but if you have the budget get the i3 4170.its better than any overclocked amd fx 8xxx chip while it can be run on very cheap boards.it still has the uprade path but if you upgrade you wont really see big improvements in gaming. http://www.techspot.com/review/943-best-value-desktop-cpu/page6.html

 

 

860K(cheap and value) or FX-6300(best) but i3(future proof) is good if you want upgrade path for later? 

emm no the pentium g3258 is better than the athlon 860k and it has the upgrade path.

 

 

i3 is better than fx 8xxx nevermind the fx 6300

Edited October 18, 2015 by s3ns3

[Prysin]

I will say this however, 2GB of vRAm is really starting to be not quite enough for 1080p-it will do the job but we are at the point where it is starting to become the old 512MB in the days where 1GB was becoming mainstream.

true. However it will do for another year or so if you keep the AA in check (force max X2 or X4 instead of letting it loose with x8 or x16)

 

the best 'starter' cpu is the cheap pentium g3258. it performs good for its price,it can be overclocked on any h81/b85 mobo and the most important part is the upgrade path. later you can buy an i5 4460 and use it on the same motherboard.

 

 

but if you have the budget get the i3 4170.its better than any overclocked amd fx 8xxx chip while it can be run on very cheap boards.it still has the uprade path but if you upgrade you wont really see big improvements in gaming. http://www.techspot.com/review/943-best-value-desktop-cpu/page6.html

 

 

emm no the pentium g3258 is better than the athlon 860k and it has the upgrade path.

 

 

i3 is better than fx 8xxx nevermind the fx 6300

G3258 is a piece of shit CPU that shouldnt be mentioned, EVER.

 

It is suited for HTPC and that is about it. Even then an AMD APU is stronger, as it will more easily play back 4k content due to onboard decoders helping it, then the G3258 ever will.

 

i3 is better then a FX 8000 series ONLY in titles that relies heavily on single or dual cores. In games that utilize multiple cores, and these are getting more and more common these days, the FX will wipe the floor with the i3. I3 tend to have better maximums. But WAY worse minimums in multi-core heavy games.

A i3 will usually get slightly higher maximums, but way lower minimums...

 

check a few benchmarks if you will. an i3 really aint that superior once the games start using multiple cores.

[s3ns3]

G3258 is a piece of shit CPU that shouldnt be mentioned, EVER.

oh shut up its a 70$ cpu and its super good for that price. ofc it has fps drops in some games but again its 70$ and the most important thing it has the generous upgrade path

you are just expecting i7 performance out of a pentium.that cant happen at 70$.nobody expects that

[thekeemo]

860k / i5-4440

[Prysin]

oh shut up its a 70$ cpu and its super good for that price. ofc it has fps drops in some games but again its 70$ and the most important thing it has the generous upgrade path

you are just expecting i7 performance out of a pentium.that cant happen at 70$.nobody expects that

i expect playable experience.

 

get an Athlon 860k, its 70 bucks, and it wrecks the G3258 in terms of stable FPS.

get a i3 41xx or FX 6300, they wreck BOTH the G3258 and Athlon 860k

[s3ns3]

i expect playable experience.

 

get an Athlon 860k, its 70 bucks, and it wrecks the G3258 in terms of stable FPS.

get a i3 41xx or FX 6300, they wreck BOTH the G3258 and Athlon 860k

its playable alright. the athlon is very weak.you get fps drops with it too.not as severe but the pentium compensates with higher fps.the athlon has almost double tdp(it matters for someones ears),and theres no upgrade path. you know what why don`t you buy the athlon for yourself and struggle with it when you will upgrade. you have to make good recommendations for ppl not complicate things. its a pc so when a weak athlon is the TOP cpu for a socket,you just have to move away from it.

 

ofc an i3 is better,but we are talking double the price. if he has the budget the i3 is a no-brainer

[Prysin]

its playable alright. the athlon is very weak.you get fps drops with it too.not as severe but the pentium compensates with higher fps.the athlon has almost double tdp(it matters for someones ears),and theres no upgrade path. you know what why don`t you buy the athlon for yourself and struggle with it when you will upgrade. you have to make good recommendations for ppl not complicate things. its a pc so when a weak athlon is the TOP cpu for a socket,you just have to move away from it.

 

ofc an i3 is better,but we are talking double the price. if he has the budget the i3 is a no-brainer

i have an Athlon myself. i also have an i7 4790k, and i used to own a FX 8320 for 2.5 years...

 

honestly, i KNOW what i am talkin about. Ive nerfed my i7 down to G3258 levels to see how it works. ive tried it at i3 levels too. its quite noticable really how much "stronger" a 4GHz dual core CPU is once you give it hyper-threading...

 

honestly. ill take 5 FPS lower average if that gives me 10 FPS higher minimums. It is better to be rock stable at 55 FPS, then it EVER is to bounce between 75 and 20 FPS.... bouncyness, especially if it dips below the refresh-rate of your monitor, is extremely noticable and annoying.

 

In all honesty, upgrade path ONLY matters if you are upgrading anytime soon. Like if you plan to upgrade in less then 6 months, sure it matters. If not, prices usually drop enough to make it worth buying an Athlon over the Pentium.

 

I do not care what your beef is with the Pentium. Perhaps you bought it and felt cheated. IDK, IDC. Anyway, if you have 70 bucks to spend on a CPU, buy a Athlon, or wait and get a FX 6300, or better, wait a little longer still and get a i3. OR ask these forums how to fit an Core i3 into your set budget, and we will make it happen. Somehow

 

Buying a G3258 is wasting 70 bucks. you cannot use it for jack shit, and they are so cheap you cannot sell it either.... because everyone already HAVE a i3 or i5 or i7, so who needs your filthy Pentium anyway?

 

Atleast you are plenty more likely to sell a CPU + mobo, then just a CPU.... Sure you will not get your money back on the Athlon either, but you are less likely to be stuck with it. That is for sure.

[s3ns3]

In all honesty, upgrade path ONLY matters if you are upgrading anytime soon. Like if you plan to upgrade in less then 6 months, sure it matters. If not, prices usually drop enough to make it worth buying an Athlon over the Pentium.

 

I do not care what your beef is with the Pentium. Perhaps you bought it and felt cheated. IDK, IDC. Anyway, if you have 70 bucks to spend on a CPU, buy a Athlon, or wait and get a FX 6300, or better, wait a little longer still and get a i3. OR ask these forums how to fit an Core i3 into your set budget, and we will make it happen. Somehow

 

Buying a G3258 is wasting 70 bucks. you cannot use it for jack shit, and they are so cheap you cannot sell it either.... because everyone already HAVE a i3 or i5 or i7, so who needs your filthy Pentium anyway?

 

Atleast you are plenty more likely to sell a CPU + mobo, then just a CPU.... Sure you will not get your money back on the Athlon either, but you are less likely to be stuck with it. That is for sure.

prices on intel cpus don`t drop. never. monitor the haswell prices for one year and see for yo self now that skylake is out.the athlon is weak and it also has fps drops.do you understand that part?and the g3258 holds its resell value better than the athlon.like any intel cpu.and yes you can sell it and you sell it very fast.bcause its good and cheap.not everyone has money for i cpus.its the most wanted cheap cpu.the g3258 outsells the athlon in stores by a longshot.dont worry about the sh market.

[Dabombinable]

prices on intel cpus don`t drop. never. monitor the haswell prices for one year and see for yo self now that skylake is out.the athlon is weak and it also has fps drops.do you understand that part?and the g3258 holds its resell value better than the athlon.like any intel cpu.and yes you can sell it and you sell it very fast.bcause its good and cheap.not everyone has money for i cpus.its the most wanted cheap cpu.the g3258 outsells the athlon in stores by a longshot.dont worry about the sh market.

The Athlon however can far better in most modern titles due to its 2module/4thread construction. Modern games use 4 threads now (and have for at least the last 4 years) and dual thread CPU are past the point of being a good recommendation for a gaming CPU. And never forget that the Athlon is unlocked.....

[Prysin]

The Athlon however can far better in most modern titles due to its 2module/4thread construction. Modern games use 4 threads now (and have for at least the last 4 years) and dual thread CPU are past the point of being a good recommendation for a gaming CPU. And never forget that the Athlon is unlocked.....

yup, overclocked to around 4.5GHz it will be within 5-7% of a i3 4160...  and actually better in terms of multi-thread performance... (easy to do on any A88X board... and the Athlon REALLY AINT THAT HOT... the 95w TDP is massively exxaggerated).

[s3ns3]

The Athlon however can far better in most modern titles due to its 2module/4thread construction. Modern games use 4 threads now (and have for at least the last 4 years) and dual thread CPU are past the point of being a good recommendation for a gaming CPU. And never forget that the Athlon is unlocked.....

in most games the stock g3258 beats the overclocked athlon.  http://www.techspot.com/review/1017-best-budget-gaming-cpu/page2.html

 

and don`t worry the athlon is not far better in minimum fps. its better but not by much.the pentium is better overall anyways. that fps drop arguement was brought when someone was undicided between an i3 and the cheaper pentium.ofc we were tryin to explain that the i3 is superior. but between the pentium and the athlon theres no debate whatsoever. the pentium is better and it has the upgrade path. 

 

 

yup, overclocked to around 4.5GHz it will be within 5-7% of a i3 4160...  and actually better in terms of multi-thread performance... (easy to do on any A88X board... and the Athlon REALLY AINT THAT HOT... the 95w TDP is massively exxaggerated).

thats just your imagination. lets see some numbers.the pentium and athlon are similar in multithread performance.and like i said the pentium is better at games among other advantages

[Prysin]

in most games the stock g3258 beats the overclocked athlon.  http://www.techspot.com/review/1017-best-budget-gaming-cpu/page2.html

 

and don`t worry the athlon is not far better in minimum fps. its better but not by much.the pentium is better overall anyways. that fps drop arguement was brought when someone was undicided between an i3 and the cheaper pentium.ofc we were tryin to explain that the i3 is superior. but between the pentium and the athlon theres no debate whatsoever. the pentium is better and it has the upgrade path. 

 

 

thats just your imagination. lets see some numbers.the pentium and athlon are similar in multithread performance.and like i said the pentium is better at games among other advantages

ARE YOU FUCKING HIGH?

 

similar in Multi thread?

what shit are you smoking? cuz i want a HUGE PUFF of that stuff.

 

A10 7850k = Athlon X4 860k as CPU + R7 250 as iGPU.

Look at every Cinebench result. Intel wins single thread every time (we know this by now)

860k vs G3258

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1200?vs=1265

860k vs i3 4360

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1200?vs=1197

 

Also as a note: most of the titles featured in Anandtechs reviews seem to be single or dual core'd games. Seeing as i saw little improvement comparing a stock G3258 to a stock i7 4790k... which REALLY should have shown a difference the moment you add more cores. but it doesnt improve a whole lot...

 

now go troll somewhere else. Or better yet. GO READ UP ON SOME REAL INFO.

[s3ns3]

ARE YOU FUCKING HIGH?

 

similar in Multi thread?

what shit are you smoking? cuz i want a HUGE PUFF of that stuff.

 

A10 7850k = Athlon X4 860k as CPU + R7 250 as iGPU.

Look at every Cinebench result. Intel wins single thread every time (we know this by now)

860k vs G3258

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1200?vs=1265

860k vs i3 4360

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/1200?vs=1197

 

Also as a note: most of the titles featured in Anandtechs reviews seem to be single or dual core'd games. Seeing as i saw little improvement comparing a stock G3258 to a stock i7 4790k... which REALLY should have shown a difference the moment you add more cores. but it doesnt improve a whole lot...

 

now go troll somewhere else. Or better yet. GO READ UP ON SOME REAL INFO.

ok. go look at your link with the i3 and also pay attention to 'lower is better'.you cant fill that gap with overclock.no matter how you want to twist this story. amd are good if you want to unzip files i get it . same story with the pentium,its similar to the athlon in multiple multithread tests. 

 

as for gaming, here is shown the avg fps. 5 damn pages with gaming benchmarks. now what? 

[Tsuki]

860k if you want a quad core.

pentium g3258 if you want to OC like a boss

[Prysin]

ok. go look at your link with the i3 and also pay attention to 'lower is better'.you cant fill that gap with overclock.no matter how you want to twist this story. amd are good if you want to unzip files i get it . same story with the pentium,its similar to the athlon in multiple multithread tests. 

 

as for gaming, here is shown the avg fps. 5 damn pages with gaming benchmarks. now what? 

Benchmark doesnt show the minimums... benchmark is useless and way too scarce in details.

 

we already know that the pentium will have higher FPS due to higher IPC (more drawcalls). However its minimums is another story. The whole review doesnt talk of minimums even once. The whole argument of the Athlon is that it has better minimums. Without showing that, you cannot show its "true power"...

 

THe G3258 will have higher maximums, but if you have lower minumums then your average goes down fast.

The Athlon has lower maximums, but higher minimums, so averages is more "average"....

 

 

without minimums, this whole test is useless. The devils in the fucking details. Show me REAL DETAILED BENCHMARKS, OR GET LOST.

 

A QUAD CORE IS THE MINIMUM YOU SHOULD EVER BUY FOR FOR GAMING IN THE YEAR 2015.

[don_svetlio]

Benchmark doesnt show the minimums... benchmark is useless and way too scarce in details.

 

we already know that the pentium will have higher FPS due to higher IPC (more drawcalls). However its minimums is another story. The whole review doesnt talk of minimums even once. The whole argument of the Athlon is that it has better minimums. Without showing that, you cannot show its "true power"...

 

THe G3258 will have higher maximums, but if you have lower minumums then your average goes down fast.

The Athlon has lower maximums, but higher minimums, so averages is more "average"....

 

 

without minimums, this whole test is useless. The devils in the fucking details. Show me REAL DETAILED BENCHMARKS, OR GET LOST.

 

A QUAD CORE IS THE MINIMUM YOU SHOULD EVER BUY FOR FOR GAMING IN THE YEAR 2015.

just let him buy the dual core - when it sucks and he gets massive stutters, he will realize it was a bad decision. If a person is so desperate to waste their money, let them.

[Prysin]

just let him buy the dual core - when it sucks and he gets massive stutters, he will realize it was a bad decision. If a person is so desperate to waste their money, let them.

that s3ns3 guy already bought one and is now trying to make others buy it too