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I'm looking at getting a new build at the moment, and being relatively new to high end computers I'm really undecided on what to get processor wise. Basically I have three options - an i7 4770K, an i5 4670K saving some money which I can spend on a better graphics card, or an overclocked i5 4670K for the same price as the i7. What would people recommend? 

 

I'm not looking to use 3D or do much video editing, it's mostly for gaming and multitasking. Also, is the Haswell worth getting over the Ivy Bridge?

all the names you gave is haswell, I prefer ivy B myself because the temps are lower. But from those you mentioned get the i5 4670k on stock settings and check out ProKoN's guide on how to overclock it here: http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/41234-intel-haswell-4670k-4770k-overclocking-guide/?view=getnewpost

 

edit: if you're going to stream the AMD 8350/8320 is a better choice though.

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I'm looking at getting a new build at the moment, and being relatively new to high end computers I'm really undecided on what to get processor wise. Basically I have three options - an i7 4770K, an i5 4670K saving some money which I can spend on a better graphics card, or an overclocked i5 4670K for the same price as the i7. What would people recommend? 

 

I'm not looking to use 3D or do much video editing, it's mostly for gaming and multitasking. Also, is the Haswell worth getting over the Ivy Bridge?

 

The i5 4670K would better suit your needs, however the AMD FX-8350 would not be a bad choice either. I would go for the Haswell option if you decide to chose Intel, this would give you the opportunity to upgrade in the future as well as packing more feautres than the Z77 chipset, including more SATA 3 ports and better RAM overclocking capabilities.

 

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The i5 4670K would better suit your needs, however the AMD FX-8350 would not be a bad choice either. I would go for the Haswell option if you decide to chose Intel, this would give you the opportunity to upgrade in the future as well as packing more feautres than the Z77 chipset, including more SATA 3 ports and better RAM overclocking capabilities.

 

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although I do agree with the up-gradable fact the performance increase would be minimal unless he goes from Haswell i5 to next gen i7. as for overclocking the RAM, since he  is gaming he doesn't require much more than 1600 MHz so here the cheapest he can get out of the 4670k / 3570k or 8350/20 (they overclock around the same) will be the best option.

it also depends on which titles he wants to play, some games prefer the 8350/20 above the i5s for example metro 2033 and metro last light.

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one thing ... about where you said the haswell produces more heat... the tim is not related to the heat production of the cpu ... in fact  haswell consume less power than ivybridge (unless i'm mistaken). if that is the case then that means that haswell produces less heat (directly related to power consumption)  but because of the cheap thermal interface material used the heat is less effectively transferred to the heat spreader (lid) which causes the piece of silicon to be at a higher temperature even though less heat is being output by it.     

(1) high frame rate (2) ultra graphics settings (3) cheap...>> choose only two<<...

 

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If AMD really is that much better on the higher-end, then why if you check rigs of people that encode a lot and render 3D is there almost always Intel inside?

 

 

Because of the way Intel brain wash every one into their way of thinking. Intel Response Squad? hahahahahaha !!!! Don't you mean brainless bots that go around preaching like Christians?

 

Intel have always used ploys like that. We used to have an Intel rep come to our store in 1998 and grease our palms with silver (IE - free Xeons and such).

 

People like being brainwashed when it comes to computers, it makes them feel better about spending loads of money.

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The i5 4670K would better suit your needs, however the AMD FX-8350 would not be a bad choice either. I would go for the Haswell option if you decide to chose Intel, this would give you the opportunity to upgrade in the future as well as packing more feautres than the Z77 chipset, including more SATA 3 ports and better RAM overclocking capabilities.

 

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add this video as well

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Do you mind if I add it to the OP?

nope, that's why I linked it.

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The benchmarks of the processors should be unified and since this is an LTT forum it would be preferable if you just add Linus's CPU benchmarks.

Also the performance analysis of these chips should not rely on synthetic benchmarks that rarely represent real-world performance such as cinebench not to mention that a five year old game (FC2) will give an in-accurate representation of CPU performance in modern games.

 

Saying that you should only include Linus' on the LTT forums is like saying you cant use TomHardware info over at Hardware Canucks because they are based out of France and not Canada.

 

There shouldn't be an issues with using non-LTT information on here to form a more well rounded, informed, and unbiased set of material for people to learn from.  I actually prefer it when people use a wide variety of sources in research as opposed to one source.

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Saying that you should only include Linus' on the LTT forums is like saying you cant use TomHardware info over at Hardware Canucks because they are based out of France and not Canada.

 

There shouldn't be an issues with using non-LTT information on here to form a more well rounded, informed, and unbiased set of material for people to learn from.  I actually prefer it when people use a wide variety of sources in research as opposed to one source.

that's exactly how I feel.

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Saying that you should only include Linus' on the LTT forums is like saying you cant use TomHardware info over at Hardware Canucks because they are based out of France and not Canada.

I never said that "only" Linus's benchmarks should be included, however they should be the top priority as this is the LTT forum.

I oppose synthetic benchmarking software because they are well known not to represent real-world performance and are often manipulated by hardware vendors.

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I think that while a general info topic like this can be useful, it will end up more often than not to be very misleading.
A case by case CPU recommendation is a much better method to get the best hardware for the task at hand.

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I never said that "only" Linus's benchmarks should be included, however they should be the top priority as this is the LTT forum.

I oppose synthetic benchmarking software because they are well known not to represent real-world performance and are often manipulated by hardware vendors.

 

I don't think it should have any priority, just simply include it along with any other valid benchmarking.  How do you think Linus benchmarks things?  This is technology not magic, him running a test and someone else running a test are still tests.  Hell, half the time he quotes benchmarks from other sources as well.

 

The more sources you use (granted quality sources) the better.  Allow readers to prefer what they want to prefer, don't skew data with preferential treatment.

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As far as CPUs for gaming go, console-optimizations should be discussed and the profound effect this will have boosting the performance of AMD CPUs should be expressed.
The 8 cores in the PS4 & the XOne will end up benefiting the AMD 8 core CPUs the most, making them ideal choices for PC gamers.

All credit to @TechFan@ic .
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/43230-console-optimizations-already-boosting-the-performance-of-cpus-on-the-pc/
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/10522-game-developers-choose-amd-over-intel-for-gaming/

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/42309-console-optimizations-will-boost-amd-cpu-performance-on-pc-according-to-john-carmack/

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I don't think it should have any priority, just simply include it along with any other valid benchmarking.  How do you think Linus benchmarks things?  This is technology not magic, him running a test and someone else running a test are still tests.  Hell, half the time he quotes benchmarks from other sources as well.

 

The more sources you use (granted quality sources) the better.  Allow readers to prefer what they want to prefer, don't skew data with preferential treatment.

 

Sir, benchmarking methods of tech sites are very very different, that's why Slick (which actually does the benchmarking for Linus) ALWAYS argues against not just synthetic benchmarks but for pre-done benchmark sequences in games (which Far Cry 2 uses).

If you watch Linus's graphics showdowns you'll always hear Linus talk about why they do real game-play runs instead of "pre-canned" benchmarks, even though custom runs are difficult to replicate each time, which increases the margin of error.

Slick's benchmarking methods have the most credibility of any other benchmarks listed in the OP, the custom runs are showcased for people to replicate and they're based on real gameplay sections of the game.

Not "pre-canned" sequences that can be swayed either way.

 

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Sir, benchmarking methods of tech sites are very very different, that's why Slick (which actually does the benchmarking for Linus) ALWAYS argues against not just synthetic benchmarks but for pre-done benchmark sequences in games (which Far Cry 2 uses).

If you watch Linus's graphics showdowns you'll always hear Linus talk about why they do real game-play runs instead of "pre-canned" benchmarks, even though custom runs are difficult to replicate each time, which increases the margin of error.

Slick's benchmarking methods have the most credibility of any other benchmarks listed in the OP, the custom runs are showcased for people to replicate and they're based on real gameplay sections of the game.

Not "pre-canned" sequences that can be swayed either way.

 

 

I'm working on this, just in the process of collecting some results from various sources.

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As far as CPUs for gaming go, console-optimizations should be discussed and the profound effect this will have boosting the performance of AMD CPUs should be expressed.

The 8 cores in the PS4 & the XOne will end up benefiting the AMD 8 core CPUs the most, making them ideal choices for PC gamers.

All credit to @TechFan@ic .

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/43230-console-optimizations-already-boosting-the-performance-of-cpus-on-the-pc/

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/10522-game-developers-choose-amd-over-intel-for-gaming/

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/42309-console-optimizations-will-boost-amd-cpu-performance-on-pc-according-to-john-carmack/

those are all still speculations, we have no idea how much of a real world effect it will have on CPU performance.

so when the time comes, we will have to discuss that, for now the information is too limited.

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Nice guide dude, I would add in that AMD is not nearly as upgradable as intel in terms of the FM2 socket and am3 where due to the lack of CPUs you gotta wait for new generations.

 

This is the most nonsensical thing i have ever read...

 

AMD does not change the whole architecture requiring you to go out and by a new board every-time they release a new CPU, and nearly every new Intel next generation CPU has required a whole new architecture so a new board.

 

The OP have made a valid and good unbiased post and so spoiled it with a moron first comment...

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Sir, benchmarking methods of tech sites are very very different, that's why Slick (which actually does the benchmarking for Linus) ALWAYS argues against not just synthetic benchmarks but for pre-done benchmark sequences in games (which Far Cry 2 uses).

If you watch Linus's graphics showdowns you'll always hear Linus talk about why they do real game-play runs instead of "pre-canned" benchmarks, even though custom runs are difficult to replicate each time, which increases the margin of error.

Slick's benchmarking methods have the most credibility of any other benchmarks listed in the OP, the custom runs are showcased for people to replicate and they're based on real gameplay sections of the game.

Not "pre-canned" sequences that can be swayed either way.

 

Sir, I watch the videos.  They use just as many "pre-canned" benchmarks as they do playing games.  They even directly quote other websites benchmarks.

 

It's called diversification, don't use one source.  I don't understand why it is this message isn't getting through.  It's ok to use as many sources as possible, and someone playing a game on one rig (made out of a lot of components) isn't the end all for judgement on a single component.  There are too many combinations of components to lay affect to how something performs.  Even if you are using the exact same components in two rigs and only change the component being measured, you can actually tip the scales of performance by using a different component that is optimised for use against one of the measured ones.

 

 

So use multiple sources, LTT isn't the end all for all benchmarking.  And just because someone plays a game using their system specs doesn't mean that my system specs will get even remotely the same proportional scale between the two products because of component interaction.

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I'm working on this, just in the process of collecting some results from various sources.

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about.  Using results from various sources.  Add to that various conditions and stimuli (aka components, software, configs, etc) and you are dead on.

 

The goal is still an unbiased gathering of information to write up a solid comparable "thesis".  Which I would say you pretty much did with the original post @Samdb

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those are all still speculations, we have no idea how much of a real world effect it will have on CPU performance.

so when the time comes, we will have to discuss that, for now the information is too limited.

You have an opinion and I respect that, however when the game developers come out and say the 8350 will be better than the 3570K for games, that's a little more than speculation.

They make the games, they know what they're talking about and they unanimously agree.

 

We approached a number of developers on and off the record - each of whom has helped to ship multi-million-selling, triple-A titles - asking them whether an Intel or AMD processor offers the best way to future-proof a games PC built in the here and now. Bearing in mind the historical dominance Intel has enjoyed, the results are intriguing - all of them opted for the FX-8350 over the current default enthusiast's choice, the Core i5 3570K.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future-proofing-your-pc-for-next-gen

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