FAQ And Guide - CPU Choice

[TechFan@ic]

Sir, I watch the videos.  They use just as many "pre-canned" benchmarks as they do playing games.  They even directly quote other websites benchmarks.

It's called diversification, don't use one source.  I don't understand why it is this message isn't getting through.  It's ok to use as many sources as possible, and someone playing a game on one rig (made out of a lot of components) isn't the end all for judgement on a single component.  There are too many combinations of components to lay affect to how something performs.  Even if you are using the exact same components in two rigs and only change the component being measured, you can actually tip the scales of performance by using a different component that is optimised for use against one of the measured ones.

So use multiple sources, LTT isn't the end all for all benchmarking.  And just because someone plays a game using their system specs doesn't mean that my system specs will get even remotely the same proportional scale between the two products because of component interaction.

I'm not opposed to diversification, I'm opposed to pre-canned benchmarks which are not based on real-world scenarios.

Have as many benchmarks as you want, as long as they're unbiased and based on real-world scenarios.

When I see a benchmark that I know does not reflect reality, I will point it out, and that's all I did.

[Flynn]

I'm not opposed to diversification, I'm opposed to pre-canned benchmarks which are not based on real-world scenarios.

Have as many benchmarks as you want, as long as they're unbiased and based on real-world scenarios.

When I see a benchmark that I know does not reflect reality, I will point it out, and that's all I did.

 

There are times where there is no real world instance that will task something to the point that a synthetic benchmark can.  I have yet to use anything on my computer (including all the 3D rendering I do, the pentesting, and games) actually task my computer to a point that benchmarks matter.  That's why I used something synthetic to stress test my system to see what it really can do to task it to a point where I can find out what she can do.

 

It's kind of like when I first bought my car and took her to the track and pushed her to 145mph just to do it.  I have yet to have a real world scenario where this would come in handy, but hey, at least now I know I can do it  lol

[Samdb]

Reached the video limit so I'll have to post this here.

 

 

[Cryptonite]

You have an opinion and I respect that, however when the game developers come out and say the 8350 will be better than the 3570K for games, that's a little more than speculation.

They make the games, they know what they're talking about and they unanimously agree.

 

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future-proofing-your-pc-for-next-gen

 potentially

not very likely a big problem in practice though

can be a benefit

Reading through that article I haven't changed my opinion. I'm not saying you are incorrect in the fact that AMD will perform better in next gen games, however everything will be getting a boost, even quad cores such as the i5 and even some older AMD quad cores. the reason we had to upgrade so far ahead was because games couldn't use CPUs to their full potential, now that is going to change, by how much we still don't know yet.

[TechFan@ic]

There are times where there is no real world instance that will task something to the point that a synthetic benchmark can.  I have yet to use anything on my computer (including all the 3D rendering I do, the pentesting, and games) actually task my computer to a point that benchmarks matter.  That's why I used something synthetic to stress test my system to see what it really can do to task it to a point where I can find out what she can do.

 

It's kind of like when I first bought my car and took her to the track and pushed her to 145mph just to do it.  I have yet to have a real world scenario where this would come in handy, but hey, at least now I know I can do it  lol

Synthetic benchmarks are perfect for stress-testing I absolutely agree, they're also excellent for measuring overclocking gains and stability.

However cross-platform performance analysis should be done using things people actually do in the real-world, whether it'd be video editing, rendering 3D scenes, photo editing, media encoding, playing games or whatever else.

[Dravic]

This is a very ignorant post there guys... what about Xeon e3-1230v3? That's i7 4770 without iGPU... very convenient lol. it's much cheaper too.

[TechFan@ic]

what about Xeon e3-1230v3? That's i7 4770 without iGPU... very convenient lol. it's much cheaper too.

That's a fantastic CPU, a quadcore haswell with hyperthreading clocked at 3.3Ghz and costs 40$ less than a 4770.

[Samdb]

This is a very ignorant post there guys... what about Xeon e3-1230v3? That's i7 4770 without iGPU... very convenient lol. it's much cheaper too.

 

The Xeon E3-1230V3 has features that are intended for virtualization which is handled on the server side, without actually running a server these features will be put to waste, therefore you would be better off buying an i7 as it would greater suit your needs.

 

Sam,

Intel Response Squad member

http://bit.ly/RallySquad

[Ssoele]

This is a very ignorant post there guys... what about Xeon e3-1230v3? That's i7 4770 without iGPU... very convenient lol. it's much cheaper too.

 

The E3-1230v3 is not supported on most consumer chipsets. You need an motherboard with an C22x to run this chip and those boards are a lot more expensive and have a lot less features that are relevant to consumers.

[Dravic]

The E3-1230v3 is not supported on most consumer chipsets. You need an motherboard with an C22x to run this chip and those boards are a lot more expensive and have a lot less features that are relevant to consumers.

 

The Xeon E3-1230V3 has features that are intended for virtualization which is handled on the server side, without actually running a server these features will be put to waste, therefore you would be better off buying an i7 as it would greater suit your needs.

 

Sam,

Intel Response Squad member

http://bit.ly/RallySquad

 

That's a fantastic CPU, a quadcore haswell with hyperthreading clocked at 3.3Ghz and costs 40$ less than a 4770.

 

Xeon e3-1230v3

 

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i7

 

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igpu

 

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overclocking

 

period.

 

And yes e3-1230v3 is i7 4770 and it works with all consumer motherboards, if you claim otherwise then you are clearly lying or ignorant. It's cheaper than i7 too.

[Ssoele]

Xeon e3-1230v3

 

Is

 

an

 

i7

 

without

 

igpu

 

and

 

overclocking

 

period.

 

And yes e3-1230v3 is i7 4770 and it works with all consumer motherboards, if you claim otherwise then you are clearly lying or ignorant. It's cheaper than i7 too.

 

My bad, the Asus product pages does list them for some reason.

 

This does not take away that you shouldn't get an Xeon for gaming PC!!

[Cryptonite]

He actually has a point, Xeon E3-1230v3 is actually better bang for your buck than a non "K" version i7 and will perform around the same as the 4770(non K)

[Dravic]

My bad, the Asus product pages does list them for some reason.

 

This does not take away that you shouldn't get an Xeon for gaming PC!!

 

Why not? It's just an i7, why shouldnt i get i7 for gaming PC? it costs around i5 price too.

[NinjaStyle013]

This is the most nonsensical thing i have ever read...

 

AMD does not change the whole architecture requiring you to go out and by a new board every-time they release a new CPU, and nearly every new Intel next generation CPU has required a whole new architecture so a new board.

 

The OP have made a valid and good unbiased post and so spoiled it with a moron first comment...

If you buy an FX 6300 the only upgrade is to the 8 core. If you buy a A8 apu the only upgrade is the A10.

If I buy an i3 which is damn clos in gaming performance I can upgrade to an i7 extreme.

You must be a huge fanboy to not see that. AMD has literally got a quarter of the actual available models as intel. You have to wait till a new generation comes out.

If I brought a pentium for gaming o. A good 1150 board as anyone should as if it fails everything goes you can change the PC into a hardcore workstation.

I would suggest you go out and research a bit more into the CPU side of things.

[Samdb]

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Xeon vs i7

[TechFan@ic]

If you buy an FX 6300 the only upgrade is to the 8 core. If you buy a A8 apu the only upgrade is the A10.

If I buy an i3 which is damn clos in gaming performance I can upgrade to an i7 extreme.

You must be a huge fanboy to not see that. AMD has literally got a quarter of the actual available models as intel. You have to wait till a new generation comes out.

If I brought a pentium for gaming o. A good 1150 board as anyone should as if it fails everything goes you can change the PC into a hardcore workstation.

I would suggest you go out and research a bit more into the CPU side of things.

No you can't upgrade from an i3 to an i7 extreme, those use an entirely different socket and platform (X79 on the 2011 socket).

Dual core CPUs like the i3 are already beginning to struggle running games like Far Cry 3 or Crysis 3 which can effectively use up to 6 cores.

The next-gen consoles will give the i3s a very tough time when multi-core optimizations start kicking in.

[Samdb]

No you can't upgrade from an i3 to an i7 extreme, those use an entirely different socket and platform (X79 on the 2011 socket).

Dual core CPUs like the i3 are already beginning to struggle running games like Far Cry 3 or Crysis 3 which can effectively use up to 6 cores.

The next-gen consoles will give the i3s a very tough time when multi-core optimizations start kicking in.

This is very true.

[NinjaStyle013]

No you can't upgrade from an i3 to an i7 extreme, those use an entirely different socket and platform (X79 on the 2011 socket).

Dual core CPUs like the i3 are already beginning to struggle running games like Far Cry 3 or Crysis 3 which can effectively use up to 6 cores.

The next-gen consoles will give the i3s a very tough time when multi-core optimizations start kicking in.

It was an example, currently intel has much more selection than amd but amd likes to keep the sme socket for a long time.

[TechFan@ic]

It was an example, currently intel has much more selection than amd but amd likes to keep the sme socket for a long time.

Well you based your opinion on a falsehood, which means that you should probably re-evaluate.

[NinjaStyle013]

Well you based your opinion on a falsehood, which means that you should probably re-evaluate.

What are you talking about? 1150 supports every Haswell chip that's i3 through to i5 including the k versions. These are the latest CPUs.

AM3+ has the FX line up as latest CPUs, that's like 9 CPUs. Intel is far more upgradable.

[TechFan@ic]

What are you talking about? 1150 supports every Haswell chip that's i3 through to i5 including the k versions. These are the latest CPUs.

AM3+ has the FX line up as latest CPUs, that's like 9 CPUs. Intel is far more upgradable.

Currently for Haswell you have one unlocked i7 and one locked i7, you have one unlocked i5 and three locked i5s, that's a total of 6 processors.

For the AM3+ socket you have all the Sempron II, Athlon II, Phenom II, bulldozer quadcores, hexacores & octacores and Piledriver based quadcores, hexacores & octacore CPUs, that's over 30 possible CPUs you can use.

Ranging from $40 to $800.

Then you falsely claimed that you can upgrade from an i3 to an i7 extreme edition without changing the platform & accused another member of being a fanboy.

[Samdb]

Currently for Haswell you have one unlocked i7 and one locked i7, you have one unlocked i5 and three locked i5s, that's a total of 6 processors.

 

Actually there are many processors from the i7 and i5 series, and eventually i3. You can view the entire range of Haswell CPUs below.

 

http://ark.intel.com/products/family/75023/4th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors/desktop

http://ark.intel.com/products/family/75024/4th-Generation-Intel-Core-i5-Processors/desktop

 

Sam,

Intel Response Squad member

http://bit.ly/RallySquad

 

Also, could we not turn this into an argument @NinjaStyle013

Couldn't mention TechFan@ic, sorry.

[MetroP]

Actually there are many processors from the i7 and i5 series, and eventually i3. You can view the entire range of Haswell CPUs below.

 

http://ark.intel.com/products/family/75023/4th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors/desktop

http://ark.intel.com/products/family/75024/4th-Generation-Intel-Core-i5-Processors/desktop

 

Sam,

Intel Response Squad member

http://bit.ly/RallySquad

 

Also, could we not turn this into an argument @NinjaStyle013

Couldn't mention TechFan@ic, sorry.

All of the i7s in the link are the same CPU with different thermal limits and one is only BGA (soldered on the motherboard) which is the 4770R which uses the embedded DRAM for the graphics.

So essentially there are only one i7 CPU and three i5s, if you count the unlocked versions then 2 i7s and four i5s.

The i3 cpus are coming but they're ridiculously overpriced from what we've seen.

[NinjaStyle013]

Currently for Haswell you have one unlocked i7 and one locked i7, you have one unlocked i5 and three locked i5s, that's a total of 6 processors.

For the AM3+ socket you have all the Sempron II, Athlon II, Phenom II, bulldozer quadcores, hexacores & octacores and Piledriver based quadcores, hexacores & octacore CPUs, that's over 30 possible CPUs you can use.

Ranging from $40 to $800.

Then you falsely claimed that you can upgrade from an i3 to an i7 extreme edition without changing the platform & accused another member of being a fanboy.

Ah see now I didn't realise AMD even made semprons still... Sorry for the mistake.

Also I misread the false assumption as you saying intel didn't have more selection instead of you meaning the i7 extreme.

Still if you did need a big bad CPU intel unfornatly trumps amd because of the i7 range.

[Whiskers]

@Windspeed36 @Whaler_99 @[member=dave ] Maybe this should be stickied? This guide would be very useful for those looking to buy a CPU who are unsure what they need or want.