Should we support AMD?

[Edgar R. Zakarian]

Since AMD is in a lot of trouble at the moment,

should we consider buying Radeon Graphics or AMD Processors, in order to support them back up, and boycut Nvidia a bit?

 

Because if AMD falls too low, Nvidia will own the market, and can possibly skyrocket its prices.

 

Stupid thought?

 

Can this happen? Why? Why not?

 

Please add your thoughts :lol:  :lol:

[AresKrieger]

Nvidia can't have the full market due to US anti-trust laws, same goes for intel

[olback]

inb4 "Zen" reks all Intel CPUs...

[Edgar R. Zakarian]

AresKrieger, on 25 Sept 2015 - 2:28 PM, said:

Nvidia can't have the full market due to US anti-trust laws, same goes for intel

But if AMD can't sell enough products to cover the cost of research and Development (which is A LOT). They will eventually go Down with the ship.

What happens then?

[Edgar R. Zakarian]

inb4 "Zen" reks all Intel CPUs...

We don't know that yet, do we?

-Besides, the maker of it left, so we're kinda stuck at zen for eternity.

[SPAS-ID]

No

[r1Ns3]

Someone will buy AMD even if they die, don't worry I had the same thoughts. I was also scared when I was planning to buy a r9 390x but I was assured by 20+ people that it'll be fine and even if AMD dies, Intel or someone else WILL take over. The market is too valuable to let Nvidia rule by themselves, don't worry.

[Guest]

Yes!

We NEED competition!

It allows the economy to grow and the industry to innovate!

[Manny Calavera]

We don't know that yet, do we?

-Besides, the maker of it left, so we're kinda stuck at zen for eternity.

if AMD lied about 40% more ipc ( over a10 7850k ) then no

 

if they didnt lie, that means it will be up there with i7s

[themaniac]

if AMD falls then they will be bought or intel will be force to give a license to someone else or be forced to split

[Edgar R. Zakarian]

Manny Calavera, on 25 Sept 2015 - 2:33 PM, said:

if AMD lied about 40% more ipc ( over a10 7850k ) then no

 

if they didnt lie, that means it will be up there with i7s

Can it compete with / beat the new skylake i7's?

[Guest]

Its the markets natural selection.

We shouldn't buy products because we feel sorry for them.

If they go bankrupt who is gonna continue driver support for your new GPU?

 

Buy what you feel is best. Always.

[Me1z]

I'd skip on the processors because frankly they suck, but I am totally behind buying AMD GPUs. Honestly, its not even like you're getting a bad deal, for the same price an R9 390x trades blows with a GTX 970, the R9 Fury trades blows with the GTX 980, and the same with the Fury X and GTX 980ti. Other than rampant fanboyism or an overwhelming need for CUDA, there's no real reason to pick Nvidia over AMD.

[Praesi]

If i would be millionair, of course. Untill than i buy what fits the most.

[harrynowl]

It's up to AMD to produce a product that will bail them out of their situation right now, which has been caused by multiple failures over the last 10 years.

 

It's not our job to keep them afloat, there are multiple laws that will prevent an Intel/nvidia monopoly and many companies would be interested in purchasing a controlling stake in AMD anyway.

[Bsmith]

We don't know that yet, do we?

-Besides, the maker of it left, so we're kinda stuck at zen for eternity.

 

the guy that left DESIGNED it, the designing process was done so there was nothing left for him to do.

[Misanthrope]

Only what it makes sense to support: Their GPUs are still excellent products that remain competitive. No, not perfect, but also no the "crap lol heat up your house during the winter" people usually assume. 

 

Their CPUs I just cannot in good conscience recommend: I could 2 years ago but it's way too outdated tech today.

[Thorium19]

Yes we should, as they are competitive in the GPU market, just that with maxwell nvidia went all out on efficiency and people are buying cards because they cost a few quid less to run each year at most, when really it makes little difference. Hopefully with quite a few major DX12 titles leaning more towards AMD we might see an increase in market share again, even if there's no real increase over nvidia.

On the CPU front, Zen really needs to be good, at the minimum the same level as haswell, preferably as good as skylake, but we'll have to wait a year and see.

[PlayStation 2]

AMD normally isn't that bad on lying (so I'd bet that the Zen CPUs can compete with Intel's CPU in IPC) so I really would take the shot on an AMD GPU.

[Edgar R. Zakarian]

Bsmith, on 25 Sept 2015 - 2:35 PM, said:

the guy that left DESIGNED it, the designing process was done so there was nothing left for him to do.

Yeah, but what about the newer/better versions afterwards?

[Nineshadow]

I'd skip on the processors because frankly they suck, but I am totally behind buying AMD GPUs. Honestly, its not even like you're getting a bad deal, for the same price an R9 390x trades blows with a GTX 970, the R9 Fury trades blows with the GTX 980, and the same with the Fury X and GTX 980ti. Other than rampant fanboyism or an overwhelming need for CUDA, there's no real reason to pick Nvidia over AMD.

Dunno what to say about the rest of the world, but AMD prices are more expensive than equivalent Nvidia cards in Romania right now. For example, an R9 390 is about $70 more expensive than a 970.

[AresKrieger]

But if AMD can't sell enough products to cover the cost of research and Development (which is A LOT). They will eventually go Down with the ship.

What happens then?

A buyout or those companies being split in two (intel/nvidia)

[ozziestig]

Well AMD has stated that Zen competes with Skylake which is a 14nm and AMD had to go the Global foundries and use their 16nm process.

But I believe that AMD needs to be the first with 10nm chips to be a force in the CPU market, hopefully post Zen will be 10nm.

On the Graphics AMD needs to better their drivers and push the limits of HBM because the helped design it.

[thekeemo]

Nvidia can't have the full market due to US anti-trust laws, same goes for intel

you assume too much. They can just change base or the gov just won't do anything.

[Edgar R. Zakarian]

Nineshadow, on 25 Sept 2015 - 2:39 PM, said:

Dunno what to say about the rest of the world, but AMD prices are more expensive than equivalent Nvidia cards in Romania right now. For example, an R9 390 is about $70 more expensive than a 970.

Isn't 970 better than 390? I think it competes with the 390x?