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I am so incredibly furious about this bullshit in the game that I uninstalled it after having spent a very enjoyable 30 hours in the game. There is a mission in which your objective is to eliminate militants in a town (the militants are kids) and yet you can't shoot/kill the kids without the mission instantly failing despite it being your objective to kill them. It gets worse when you get into a bossfight and all of the kids shoot at you yet if you shoot back, you're the immoral one and you instantly fail the mission.

 

I fucking hate it when games try to teach me real life morals as if they apply to video games and some pixels on a screen are somehow more valuable than others and people can't be killed. They expect you to either run from the bullets or put the kids to sleep using your tranquilizer gun, meanwhile they're shooting at you with AKs. Until somebody makes a mod to fix this issue, this game will remain uninstalled which makes me very sad as I was really enjoying the game up until this point. 

 

edit: Oh, and I forgot to mention that you can't fulton extract the kids either so you only have two options. 1. try and sneak past all of the kids without them noticing you.

2. Individually subdue every single one of them with the tranquilizer and try and put the bodies somewhere where they won't be seen.


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I think you may be reading to far into it :P


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The backlash if you're slaughtering kids would be huge,. 


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And I instantly think less of you. As do other people I guarantee it.

It's a video game.

Let me shoot the kids. Why shouldn't I be able to? Unless it's a mission objective (which according to OP, it's not), that is indeed dumb imo.


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It's a video game.

Let me shoot the kids. Why shouldn't I be able to? Unless it's a mission objective (which according to OP, it's not), that is indeed dumb imo.

IIRC Infinity Ward took a decent bit of shit from MW2 where you entered an airport as a terrorist and killed everyone, so being forced to/encouraged/allowed (anything that's not discouraging it is basically encouraging it) to shoot kids wouldn't be great for the game's image. 


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Here's why I should be able to kill the kids in the game: BECAUSE THE THE GAME EXPLICITLY STATES THAT THAT IS THE OBJECTIVE!. Also because they shoot at me with AKs and they're just as much of a threat to me as anybody else in game. I absolutely despise when games try to tell me what is morally wrong (in a virtual and non-existent world in which no real people get harmed). This reminds me of Skyrim where you couldn't kill the kids which were nothing but pests. At least Skyrim had a mod to let you kill the kids. They're just pixels on a screen, there's no reason morals should have a play here.


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I fucking hate it when games try to teach me real life morals as if they apply to video games and some pixels on a screen are somehow more valuable than others and people can't be killed. They expect you to either run from the bullets or put the kids to sleep using your tranquilizer gun, meanwhile they're shooting at you with AKs. Until somebody makes a mod to fix this issue, this game will remain uninstalled which makes me very sad as I was really enjoying the game up until this point. 

 

edit: Oh, and I forgot to mention that you can't fulton extract the kids either so you only have two options. 1. try and sneak past all of the kids without them noticing you.

2. Individually subdue every single one of them with the tranquilizer and try and put the bodies somewhere where they won't be seen.

 

What's this?! STEALTH! IN A FUCKING STEALTH GAME!?!? Uninstall!!!! *flips table* Grow up lol


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That particular situation in the game is a slippery slope. I'm not trying to say one way or another, so don't get me wrong.

 

I understand the point of view of wanting to be able to kill the kids, especially in that situation. At the same time, we already have enough SJW bullshit in the media that gives gamers this image of being rapists and potential murderers and whatnot, so lets not add more fuel to the fire.

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That particular situation in the game is a slippery slope. I'm not trying to say one way or another, so don't get me wrong.

 

I understand the point of view of wanting to be able to kill the kids, especially in that situation. At the same time, we already have enough SJW bullshit in the media that gives gamers this image of being rapists and potential murderers and whatnot, so lets not add more fuel to the fire.

 

The whole point is for Boss to take a stance, if he had negative infamy or some shit then probably wouldn't fail but I'll hazard a guess the OP is playing a good guy role so then boss wouldn't shoot le kid soldiers. I bet one of them is Raiden...


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What's this?! STEALTH! IN A FUCKING STEALTH GAME!?!? Uninstall!!!! *flips table* Grow up lol

I see what you're saying but here's the thing. When you eventually reach the target who you are supposed to extract, all of the child soldiers will start shooting at you regardless of whether or not you had been stealthy up until that point. The end result being that you are being shot at by 10+ kids who you can't return fire to while you are also in what is effectively in a boss fight against a kid who you also can't shoot and can only punch.

 

Also, my kind of stealth is the kind where there is nobody to notice me if everyone is dead. I have no interest in just sneaking past people.


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I see what you're saying but here's the thing. When you eventually reach the target who you are supposed to extract, all of the child soldiers will start shooting at you regardless of whether or not you had been stealthy up until that point. The end result being that you are being shot at by 10+ kids who you can't return fire to while you are also in what is effectively in a boss fight against a kid who you also can't shoot and can only punch.

 

Also, my kind of stealth is the kind where there is nobody to notice me if everyone is dead. I have no interest in just sneaking past people.

 

Then don't complain about playing a game that isn't for you, that's like me kicking off because I was playing COD and losing. Its obvious that you just need to tranq the kids and throw them in dumpsters or something. Meh...


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Then don't complain about playing a game that isn't for you, that's like me kicking off because I was playing COD and losing. Its obvious that you just need to tranq the kids and throw them in dumpsters or something. Meh...

You say that but for the entire duration of the game so far, I've been able to stealthily headshot people but now the game has to be all emotional and teach me about the world's moral issues? Fuck that.


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I can see this is going to be pointless, but It's a mission objective with certain parameters. Games force you to do a lot of things a certain way; it's no ones fault that you can't complete the mission bar your own. It's an unconventional enemy and you have to use irregular (or maybe not so irregular in MGS) means

 

As for world moral issues, sometimes it's good to have these things brought up on certain topics, after all there are actual child soldiers in the world. More often than not in the real world, people see child soldiers not as the enemy. Soldiers usually exhibit a great amount of empathy toward child soldiers. But you've said you're not interested in the moral side of things so I won't bother typing more on it.

 

As for the message the mission *may* be trying to pass to the user, you can just ignore it; suck it up and try complete the mission, with the tools and the parameters you're given.


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There is a mission in which your objective is to eliminate militants in a town (the militants are kids) and yet you can't shoot/kill the kids without the mission instantly failing despite it being your objective to kill them.

 

The objective is to eliminate them, which at no point in MGSV has necessarily been synonymous with killing. You don't really have to Fulton any humans (children or otherwise), you can also manually place them in your helicopter. Additionally I've heard others have been able to put the child soldiers into vehicles, and Fulton those.

 

It's made clear over the radio by Ocelot in the very first mission where you encounter child soldiers (which was 12 or 14 I think) that if you harm them, the mission will be a failure. My assumption would be that that rule applied game-wide, anyway.

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You say that but for the entire duration of the game so far, I've been able to stealthily headshot people but now the game has to be all emotional and teach me about the world's moral issues? Fuck that.

 

haha its a Hideo Kojima game, of course it has moral agenda

 

on the first mission you encounter child soliders in the cave you have to fulton them.. big boss is the good guy, hes not going to start murdering children... the game has to fit into a story arc spanning many games

 

besides, often in games a mission has a specific perimeter to overcome....

 

Uninstalling a game because of this is literally THE MOST PETTY thing I have heard in my whole life


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haha its a Hideo Kojima game, of course it has moral agenda

 

on the first mission you encounter child soliders in the cave you have to fulton them.. big boss is the good guy, hes not going to start murdering children... the game has to fit into a story arc spanning many games

 

besides, often in games a mission has a specific perimeter to overcome....

 

Uninstalling a game because of this is literally THE MOST PETTY thing I have heard in my whole life

 

Lol everyone but the OP gets it, which just makes it even funnier! 


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I am so incredibly furious about this bullshit in the game that I uninstalled it after having spent a very enjoyable 30 hours in the game. There is a mission in which your objective is to eliminate militants in a town (the militants are kids) and yet you can't shoot/kill the kids without the mission instantly failing despite it being your objective to kill them. It gets worse when you get into a bossfight and all of the kids shoot at you yet if you shoot back, you're the immoral one and you instantly fail the mission.

I fucking hate it when games try to teach me real life morals as if they apply to video games and some pixels on a screen are somehow more valuable than others and people can't be killed. They expect you to either run from the bullets or put the kids to sleep using your tranquilizer gun, meanwhile they're shooting at you with AKs. Until somebody makes a mod to fix this issue, this game will remain uninstalled which makes me very sad as I was really enjoying the game up until this point.

edit: Oh, and I forgot to mention that you can't fulton extract the kids either so you only have two options. 1. try and sneak past all of the kids without them noticing you.

2. Individually subdue every single one of them with the tranquilizer and try and put the bodies somewhere where they won't be seen.

Welcome to metal gear solid world fella.

Have u ever played this series before sir?

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Welcome to metal gear solid world fella.

Have u ever played this series before sir?

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why he have to play the game before to fully enjoy current one?

 

that's like asking people now to play frogger before they can even try mario

 

I see that as a bad design imo if people have to do that.

sure, playing previous game would give better perspective/experience

 

but required to play one? that's absolutely a turn off.

 

again imo there's too much  hype and exposure for the game that's already been abandoned by the IP holder

I don't even understand why people still buy the game from such company, your money surely will be well spend... for casino.

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There is a mission in which your objective is to eliminate militants in a town (the militants are kids) and yet you can't shoot/kill the kids without the mission instantly failing despite it being your objective to kill them.

 

Here's why I should be able to kill the kids in the game: BECAUSE THE THE GAME EXPLICITLY STATES THAT THAT IS THE OBJECTIVE!.

 

Eliminate does not necessarily mean to kill. Look it up.

 

edit: Oh, and I forgot to mention that you can't fulton extract the kids either so you only have two options

 

Bullshit. You can fulton extract them. Hell, the game even has an optional completable objective (called Tasks) to extract 20 child soldiers in that mission that you described.

 

You remind me of DarkSydePhil. He's a YouTuber who is infamous for criticizing (doing exactly what you've done in this thread) and being so terrible at the Metal Gear Solid series.

 

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I think I seen a mod that allows you to murder kids on Nexus.

Haven't tried and haven't been bothered by kids unless its that pest of a white kid that keeps getting into fights.

 

I normally go without killing anyone in MGSV. I can understand why people hate it when you can't kill them though.


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