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AMD Engineer: Developers Given Total Freedom with 'Zen'

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Posted · Original PosterOP

The “Zen” micro-architecture is a tremendously important project for Advanced Micro Devices. If the new technology is successful, AMD will become a viable developer of central processing units again. If not, the company will have troubles with surviving. Fortunately, “Zen” is a completely new micro-architecture that promises to be very competitive. Apparently, the management team gave a lot of freedom with the new CPU design.

“It is the first time in a very long time that we engineers have been given the total freedom to build a processor from scratch and do the best we can do,” said Suzanne Plummer, the veteran Austin chip engineer who heads the Zen team, in an interview with MyStatesman.

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“[Zen] is a multi-year project with a really large team,” said Ms. Plummer. “It’s like a marathon effort with some sprints in the middle. The team is working very hard, but they can see the finish line. I guarantee that it will deliver a huge improvement in performance and (low) power consumption over the previous generation.”

Ms. Plummer has worked at AMD since 2002, when the company took over Alchemy Semiconductor.

The first processor based on “Zen” micro-architecture is code-named “Summit Ridge”. The chip is expected to hit the market in October, 2016, and aim at high-end desktops and servers. The new cores will offer at least 40 per cent performance improvement at the same clock-rate compared to existing cores.

Hopefully AMD does well with 'Zen', considering it's the opportunity that could easily put them back into the CPU market. Although the recent departure of Jim Keller has caused some early doubts, the claims of the design process's 'total freedom', although ambiguous in meaning, seems very promising. Additionally, the prospect of 'Zen' being suited for high-end desktops and servers is exciting, and could provide fierce competition with Intel's products. I'm hoping that in next year's October Zen will do well.

Original Interview: http://www.mystatesman.com/news/business/amid-challenges-chipmnaker-amd-sees-a-way-forward/nngdf/

Source: http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/amd-engineer-developers-were-given-the-total-freedom-with-zen/


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They're gonna release a new chipset to go with this, right? 990FX is friggin' four years old now. That's two hundred in PC years.

 

I haven't followed AMD that closely but I do know AM3+-based chipsets have been very versatile in terms of how many generations of CPU's they've seen, at least. But they can't handle the jump to 14nm and DDR4, right? Right?

 

 

Edit: Don't want to double-post. This is actually an interesting move from AMD. Not tying down engineers is obviously what everyone says but AMD has recently been more marketing oriented. And clearly not allowing their engineers to go all out. (Re-brands!) Whether it works or not or actually even happens or not, time will tell. 

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my guess that it will be delayed and come at a bigger "nm"


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What happened to the delayed to 2017 BS we heard not so long ago? 2011v3 type AMD CPU 1 year from now sounds really good!


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they've been using the same guideline since Athlon 64

Energy efficient

Low latency, High performance

but this time they didn't mention low cost

 

because obviously Intel already own that market too with Atom, Celeron, Pentium

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What happened to the delayed to 2017 BS we heard not so long ago? 2011v3 type AMD CPU 1 year from now sounds really good!

Considering it's from our resident AMD antagonist Mr. zMeul, there hasn't been any actual clarification that Zen has been delayed to 2017. It's a rumour, and with an article that is pretty ambiguous on its source, they usually die hard.

As far as I know, October 2016 seems to be the schedule for Zen. With evidence.

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Maybe someone more knowledgeable can inform me, but for what possible reason could management handcuff cpu developers?

 

less R&D needed over the long run, either you make the best cpu you can now, or you make it 50% better and give the other 50% in the next generation stretching R&D expenses into twice the timeframe


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Power to 'em. There needs to be a competition in the market to lower prices for everyone.


 

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I see this just as publicity 

Here here.....

"Fortunately, “Zen” is a completely new micro-architecture that promises to be very competitive"

 

/Now I do completely understand that of COURSE no one has these but the internal guys.... and this information wouldn't be shared yet.

 

So it's no new information, just a reiteration?.,..a re-hype of marketing?

Just re-assuring to the world now that JIM's gone, it's still A-ok? <--my best guess.

 

Super hopeful to play with Zen, just want some more specific core-info like the rest of you.


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October 2016? Intel will have it beat before it comes out. (if they don't have it beat already)

I would not be surprised at all if intel already have something faster than what zen will be. Someone would have to run the compute numbers but is zens 40% improvement enough to beat even skylake clock for clock core for core. If its not enough AMD is going to have to push 8 core really hard and maybe even go further than that.


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I believe that the given estimates for Zen by AMD in regards to IPC were roughly 10% slower than Haswell or Ivy Bridge. This means they will be at least 2 generations behind Intel and then on a larger process than them as well. I sure hope Zen has some serious core count, energy efficiency, and base clock overhead to warrant a $250 price tag. These are not going to be cheap processors, and they may suck pretty bad compared to Intel's next step.

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Here here.....

The bit that killed the thread for me...

"Fortunately, “Zen” is a completely new micro-architecture that promises to be very competitive"

 

So it's no new information, just a reiteration?.,..a re-hype of marketing?

Just re-assuring to the world now that JIM's gone, it's still A-ok? <--my best guess.

Yup it is pure publicity. This can be explained in a different way.. Till now we where limiting the employees to make a good processor, although they could make a good processor. We did not care  even if the company was sinking. we just forced employees not to make a good processor. As if this would happen.. They are making a lot of hype, hope they could deliver.. I am seeing the zen news for a long..Now i am beginning to think is it just a unicorn 

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They're gonna release a new chipset to go with this, right? 990FX is friggin' four years old now. That's two hundred in PC years.

 

I haven't followed AMD that closely but I do know AM3+-based chipsets have been very versatile in terms of how many generations of CPU's they've seen, at least. But they can't handle the jump to 14nm and DDR4, right? Right?

 

 

Edit: Don't want to double-post. This is actually an interesting move from AMD. Not tying down engineers is obviously what everyone says but AMD has recently been more marketing oriented. And clearly not allowing their engineers to go all out. (Re-brands!) Whether it works or not or actually even happens or not, time will tell. 

 

They originally talked about FM3, now its AM4, new socket, most likely completely new chipset, more akin to the later APU chipsets than earlier FX chipsets.

 

 

October 2016? Intel will have it beat before it comes out. (if they don't have it beat already)

 

THey don't need the performance crown if they can still maintain const competitiveness.

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Right, well as long as it's great performing and I hope so. I want to see affordable 8-core.


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FM3 huh? Does that mean backwards compatibility to the FM2+ or forwards compatibility maybe? x.x

 

Right, well as long as it's great performing and I hope so. I want to see affordable 8-core.

AMD is probably gonna quit 8-cores... :c

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FM3 huh? Does that mean backwards compatibility to the FM2+ or forwards compatibility maybe? x.x

 

AMD is probably gonna quit 8-cores... :c

 

 

"Zen" and most of the next-generation APUs (if not all) will be using socket AM4.

This was mentioned during this year at AMD's 'Financial Analyst Day' event, back in May 2015.

 

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There may be DDR3 and DDR4 DRAM hybrid compatibility (given the below presentation slide) on socket AM4 since the "7th Generation APUs" have "DDR3/DDR4 compatibility."

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"Zen" and most of the next-generation APUs (if not all) will be using socket AM4.

This was mentioned during this year at AMD's 'Financial Analyst Day' event, back in May 2015.

 

JcCJ72Ml.png

 

There may be DDR3 and DDR4 DRAM hybrid compatibility (given the below presentation slide) on socket AM4 since the "7th Generation APUs" have "DDR3/DDR4 compatibility."

AMD_2016_roadmap.jpg?79ad0d

My guess is you can put FM3 in FM2+ or if it is AM4 then in AM3+ but not the other way around probably... 


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Lake-V-X6-10600 (Gaming PC) | R20 score MC: 3529cb | R20 score SC: 506cb

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Case: Cooler Master HAF XB Evo Black / Case Fan(s) Front: Noctua NF-A14 ULN 140mm Premium Fans / Case Fan(s) Rear: Corsair Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition (red) / Case Fan(s) Side: Noctua NF-A6x25 FLX 60mm Premium Fan / Case Fan VRM: SUNON MagLev KDE1209PTV3 92mm / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / CPU: Intel Core i5-10600 (Base: @4.4GHz | Turbo: @4.8GHz) Hexa-Core (Intel 14nm++++) / Display: ASUS 24" LED VN247H (67Hz OC) 1920x1080p / GPU: Gigabyte Radeon RX Vega 56 Gaming OC @1501MHz (Samsung 14nm FinFET) / Keyboard: Logitech Desktop K120 (Nordic) / Motherboard: ASUS PRIME B460 PLUS, Socket-LGA1200 / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 850W PSU / RAM: G.Skill Sniper X DDR4-2666MHz CL13-15-15-30-1T (2x8GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Windows 10 Home / Sound: Zombee Z300 / Storage 1 & 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD / Storage 3: Seagate® Barracuda 2TB HDD / Storage 4: Seagate® Desktop 2TB SSHD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN851N 11n Wireless Adapter

Zen-II-X6-3600 (Gaming PC) | R20 score MC: 3688cb | R20 score SC: 489cb

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Case: Medion Micro-ATX Case / Case Fan Front: SUNON MagLev PF70251VX-Q000-S99 70mm / Case Fan Rear: Fanner Tech(Shen Zhen)Co.,LTD. 80mm (Purple) / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: AMD Near-silent 125w Thermal Solution / CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (Base: @3.6GHz | Turbo: @4.2GHz) Hexa-Core (T.S.M.C. 7nm) / Display: HP 19" Flat Panel L1940 (75Hz) 1280x1024 / GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5 OC "Afterburner" @1450MHz (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Keyboard: HP KB-0316 PS/2 (Nordic) / Motherboard: ASRock B450M Pro4, Socket-AM4 / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 550W PSU / RAM: HyperX Fury DDR4-3066MHz CL14-17-17-34-1T (2x8GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Windows 10 Home / Sound 1: Zombee Z500 / Sound 2: Logitech Stereo Speakers S-150 / Storage 1 & 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD / Storage 3: Western Digital My Passport 2.5" 2TB HDD / Storage 4: Western Digital Elements Desktop 2TB HDD / Wi-fi & Bluetooth: ASUS PCE-AC55BT Wireless Adapter

Vishera-X8-9370 (old config 4)

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Case: Cooler Master HAF XB Evo Black / Case Fan(s) Front: Noctua NF-A14 ULN 140mm Premium Fans / Case Fan(s) Rear: Corsair Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition (red) / Case Fan(s) Side: Noctua NF-A6x25 FLX 60mm Premium Fan / Case Fan VRM: SUNON MagLev KDE1209PTV3 92mm / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / CPU: AMD FX-8370 (Base: @4.4GHz | Turbo: @4.7GHz) Black Edition Eight-Core (Global Foundries 32nm) / Display: ASUS 24" LED VN247H (67Hz OC) 1920x1080p / GPU: Gigabyte Radeon RX Vega 56 Gaming OC @1501MHz (Samsung 14nm FinFET) / Keyboard: Logitech Desktop K120 (Nordic) / Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING, Socket-AM3+ / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 850W PSU / RAM 1, 2, 3 & 4: Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1866MHz CL8-10-10-28-37-2T (4x4GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Windows 10 Home / Sound: Zombee Z300 / Storage 1: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (x2) / Storage 2: Seagate® Barracuda 2TB HDD / Storage 3: Seagate® Desktop 2TB SSHD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN951N 11n Wireless Adapter / https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZW4Jtg 

Godavari-X4-880 (old config 3)

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Case: Medion Micro-ATX Case / Case Fan Front: SUNON MagLev PF70251VX-Q000-S99 70mm / Case Fan Rear: Fanner Tech(Shen Zhen)Co.,LTD. 80mm (Purple) / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: AMD Near-silent 125w Thermal Solution / CPU: AMD Athlon X4 880K Black Edition Elite Quad-Core (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Display: HP 19" Flat Panel L1940 (75Hz) 1280x1024 / GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5 OC "Afterburner" @1450MHz (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Keyboard: HP KB-0316 PS/2 (Nordic) / Motherboard: MSI A78M-E45 V2, Socket-FM2+ / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 550W PSU / RAM 1, 2, 3 & 4: SK hynix DDR3-1866MHz CL9-10-11-27-40 (4x4GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) / Operating System 2: Windows 10 Home / Sound 1: Zombee Z500 / Sound 2: Logitech Stereo Speakers S-150 / Storage 1: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (x2) / Storage 2: Western Digital My Passport 2.5" 2TB HDD / Storage 3: Western Digital Elements Desktop 2TB HDD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN851N 11n Wireless Adapter / https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LBjbw6

Vishera-X8-8370 (old config 2)
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Case: Cooler Master HAF XB Evo Black / Case Fan(s) Front: Noctua NF-A14 ULN 140mm Premium Fans / Case Fan(s) Rear: Corsair Air Series AF120 Quiet Edition (red) / Case Fan(s) Side: Noctua NF-A6x25 FLX 60mm Premium Fan / Case Fan VRM: SUNON MagLev KDE1209PTV3 92mm / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo / CPU: AMD FX-8370 Black Edition Eight-Core (Global Foundries 32nm) / Display: ASUS 24" LED VN247H (67Hz OC) 1920x1080p / GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5 OC "Afterburner" @1450MHz (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Keyboard: Logitech Desktop K120 (Nordic) / Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING, Socket-AM3+ / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 850W PSU / RAM 1, 2, 3 & 4: SK hynix DDR3-1866MHz CL9-10-11-27-44 (4x4GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Ubuntu Kylin 14.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) / Operating System 2: Windows 10 Home / Sound: Zombee Z300 / Storage 1: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (x2) / Storage 2: Seagate® Barracuda 2TB HDD / Storage 3: Seagate® Desktop 2TB SSHD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN951N 11n Wireless Adapter / https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZW4Jtg

Kaveri-X4-860K (old config 1)

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Case: Medion Micro-ATX Case / Case Fan Front: SUNON MagLev PF70251VX-Q000-S99 70mm / Case Fan Rear: Fanner Tech(Shen Zhen)Co.,LTD. 80mm (Purple) / Controller: Sony Dualshock 4 Wireless (DS4Windows) / Cooler: AMD FX-8370 125w Thermal Solution / CPU: AMD Athlon X4 860K Black Edition Elite Quad-Core (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Display: HP 19" Flat Panel L1940 (75Hz) 1280x1024 / GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 SuperSC 2GB (T.S.M.C. 28nm) / Keyboard: HP KB-0316 PS/2 (Nordic) / Motherboard: MSI A78M-E45 V2, Socket-FM2+ / Mouse: Razer Abyssus 2014 / PCI-E: ASRock USB 3.1/A+C (PCI Express x4) / PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA G2, 550W PSU / RAM 1, 2, 3 & 4: Corsair Vengeance DDR3-2133MHz CL9-11-11-31-42 (4x4GB) 16.38GB / Operating System 1: Ubuntu Kylin 14.04 LTS (Xenial Xerus) / Operating System 2: Windows 10 Home / Sound 1: Zombee Z500 / Sound 2: Logitech Stereo Speakers S-150 / Storage 1: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD (x2) / Storage 2: Seagate® Desktop 2TB SSHD / Storage 3: Western Digital Elements Desktop 2TB HDD / Wi-fi: TP-Link TL-WN851N 11n Wireless Adapter

Complete portable device SoC history:

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Apple A4 - Apple iPod touch (4th generation)
Apple A5 - Apple iPod touch (5th generation)
Apple A9 - Apple iPhone 6s Plus
MSM8926 - Microsoft Lumia 640 LTE
MSM8974AA - Blackberry Passport
MT2601 - TicWatch E
MT6580 - TECNO Spark 2 (1GB RAM)
MT6592M - my|phone my32 (orange)
MT6592M - my|phone my32 (yellow)
MT6735 - HMD Nokia 3 Dual SIM
MT6737 - Cherry Mobile Flare S6
MT6739 - my|phone myX8 (blue)
MT6739 - my|phone myX8 (gold)
MT6750 - Huawei honor 6C Pro / V9 Play
MT6765 - TECNO Pouvoir 3 Plus
MT6797D - my|phone Brown Tab 1
SDM710 - Oppo Realme 3 Pro

 

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My guess is you can put FM3 in FM2+ or if it is AM4 then in AM3+ but not the other way around probably... 

I think it would be the opposite, you could put current FM2+ in the new socket, not vice versa. But even if they call it AM4 it is supposedly not a direct AM3 derivative, but derived from FM2 and will more closely reflect that socket.

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