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Emailed Remington and Winchester about my old 870 Wingmaster and the old Model 1300.

 

The 870 was made in 1976, the 1300 was made in 1989. 

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TFB TV Discord got mad at me.  My coworker was letting me try out his G19 for conceal carry.  He let me try out his Tier 1 holster, among the other holsters we sell.  I couldn't find a comfortable way to carry it, and no matter what I tried, it kept printing.

Like the G19 is just too big for me to conceal carry.  It's part of the reason I like to stick to actual compact and sub compact, single stack 9mms and 380s.  That's what I find I can conceal the best.  Cause you know, the whole point of conceal carry is to conceal the gun.

 

Anyways, I said, "I find it to big, let's be real, this recent trend of "compact" doublestack 9s really aren't compact.  They're midsized at best and more fullsized almost."

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44 minutes ago, kaiju_wars said:

That's what I find I can conceal the best.  Cause you know, the whole point of conceal carry is to conceal the gun.

Most of the time I don't tuck in my shirt, which eliminates most issues with printing.  I have found that one of my shirts is extra tall (long), so I'm able to tuck it in and then pull it back up out to go over the top of my holster and gun.  I'm able to carry my P2000 double stack fully concealed in that manner.

 

Having said that, my work shirts are pretty tight on me, so I can only conceal carry there with my single stack Ruger.  Even then I get some occasional printing when I lean over, despite having my shirt not tucked in.

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3 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

Most of the time I don't tuck in my shirt, which eliminates most issues with printing.  I have found that one of my shirts is extra tall (long), so I'm able to tuck it in and then pull it back up out to go over the top of my holster and gun.  I'm able to carry my P2000 double stack fully concealed in that manner.

 

Having said that, my work shirts are pretty tight on me, so I can only conceal carry there with my single stack Ruger.  Even then I get some occasional printing when I lean over, despite having my shirt not tucked in.

I don't tuck in my t-shirts.  But I still have an issue with printing with the G19. 

 

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2 hours ago, kaiju_wars said:

TFB TV Discord got mad at me.  My coworker was letting me try out his G19 for conceal carry.  He let me try out his Tier 1 holster, among the other holsters we sell.  I couldn't find a comfortable way to carry it, and no matter what I tried, it kept printing.

Like the G19 is just too big for me to conceal carry.  It's part of the reason I like to stick to actual compact and sub compact, single stack 9mms and 380s.  That's what I find I can conceal the best.  Cause you know, the whole point of conceal carry is to conceal the gun.

 

Anyways, I said, "I find it to big, let's be real, this recent trend of "compact" doublestack 9s really aren't compact.  They're midsized at best and more fullsized almost."

Try the Glock 48 basically a single stack G19.  

As you say many of the compacts are not that compact. But you usually give up a good deal of shoot ability.   

 

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2 minutes ago, JohnMc45 said:

Try the Glock 48 basically a single stack G19.  

As you say many of the compacts are not that compact. But you usually give up a good deal of shoot ability.   

 

I'm actually looking at the G43X, M&P 380 EZ, and M&P Shield M2.0

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45 minutes ago, kaiju_wars said:

I'm actually looking at the G43X, M&P 380 EZ, and M&P Shield M2.0

The G43X would be a good option. 

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I wasn't a fan of the 43x myself, it's just not a nice gun to shoot imo. Have you tried a p365? It's double stack but around the same size as a 43x, and around the same width of a shield.

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12 minutes ago, Slumberjack said:

I wasn't a fan of the 43x myself, it's just not a nice gun to shoot imo. Have you tried a p365? It's double stack but around the same size as a 43x, and around the same width of a shield.

I have not.  I might look into it if it's roughly the same width, cause right now, I'm really loving the dimensions (and overall feel) of the 380 EZ.

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41 minutes ago, Slumberjack said:

I wasn't a fan of the 43x myself, it's just not a nice gun to shoot imo. Have you tried a p365? It's double stack but around the same size as a 43x, and around the same width of a shield.

Looked into it when I got a chance.  That is now on the list and has immediately tied with the 380 EZ.  These are the two final contenders for my next CCW.

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16 hours ago, Slumberjack said:

I wasn't a fan of the 43x myself, it's just not a nice gun to shoot imo. Have you tried a p365? It's double stack but around the same size as a 43x, and around the same width of a shield.

Interesting. Haven't got a chance to fire the G48 or G43X but they felt good.  What where you using standard or +p loads? 

 

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My AR15 has gone through so many changes. 

I am never happy with it, so I just keep changing it. 

My next upgarde will be a MI-G3M15-BLK tactical handguard. 

here is some pictures of the changes I've made and where it is now. 

 

Pretty much stock at this point, I modified a standard sling and worked pretty well.

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Upgraded the entire rifle with a Troy Alumn battlestock, Magpull grip, forward gripm magpull sling, and attachment points, light.

the scope was POS. the mag is a vice block. btw. this is a drop in handguard, I will be installing a free float MI soon.

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tried out this scope, another POS.

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Right now I am using a co-witness red dot, I thought I had a picture. I will update it as soon I take an updated photo.

 

 

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14 hours ago, JohnMc45 said:

Interesting. Haven't got a chance to fire the G48 or G43X but they felt good.  What where you using standard or +p loads? 

 

Just standard FMJs, but my issue with it wasn't it being snappy or anything. My issue is the trigger, it's just as mediocre as every other glock, and in that small a package, the safety blade causes trigger finger blisters like nobody's business! All things you could totally fix with aftermarket parts like every glock, but I don't like to modify a gun I plan to carry.

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I played with the P365 at the gun store today.  I gotta say, I'm really liking it.  It already knocked out the G43X and M&P Shield M2.0

 

It's now between the M&P 380 EZ and P365.

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8 hours ago, kaiju_wars said:

I played with the P365 at the gun store today.  I gotta say, I'm really liking it.  It already knocked out the G43X and M&P Shield M2.0

 

It's now between the M&P 380 EZ and P365.

The 380 EZ is a neat gun, but it kinda has all the downsides of .380 without the one big upside when you’re looking at it for carry. .380 is just a little on on the wimpy side for defense, and you don’t even get the benefit of a super tiny gun like with an LCP or a colt/micro/p238/911. The 380 EZ is practically the size of a sub-compact 9mm.

 

Though that reminds me, a p938 might also be worth looking at. Very small and slim for 9mm, though the round count isn’t great because it’s single stack, and they are kinda pricey.

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I know that having clips larger than 5 rounds stored with your gun is illegal in Canada, but what if it it's not with a gun? Would it be illegal for me to have a clip that holds over 5 rounds if I don't even have a gun?

I go out to the range with my mom (coolest mom ever award goes to) quite often and she has a 5-shot clip since that's all we can legally have here in Canada, where can I find a clip online that'll hold more? Really hard to get into the zone with only 5 shots. 

Already spoke to the range marshal, he's cool with it as long as it's not stored with the gun owner.  Regardless of legality, I'd like to have a banana clip but have 0 idea where to find one lol. 

 

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9 hours ago, Slumberjack said:

The 380 EZ is a neat gun, but it kinda has all the downsides of .380 without the one big upside when you’re looking at it for carry. .380 is just a little on on the wimpy side for defense, and you don’t even get the benefit of a super tiny gun like with an LCP or a colt/micro/p238/911. The 380 EZ is practically the size of a sub-compact 9mm.

 

Though that reminds me, a p938 might also be worth looking at. Very small and slim for 9mm, though the round count isn’t great because it’s single stack, and they are kinda pricey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nycYxb-zNwc

 

In real world scenarios... it comes up as statistically insignificant between .380 and 9mm. 

Looking more into the P365, it still looks like it has some issues.  I'm looking at the Shield M2.0 and the 380 EZ again.  I just love the ergos of the 380 EZ, but I love the size of the M2.0


Also, the 380 EZ is in between my current CCW and the Shield M2.0 in terms of size.

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4 hours ago, kaiju_wars said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nycYxb-zNwc

 

In real world scenarios... it comes up as statistically insignificant between .380 and 9mm. 

Looking more into the P365, it still looks like it has some issues.  I'm looking at the Shield M2.0 and the 380 EZ again.  I just love the ergos of the 380 EZ, but I love the size of the M2.0


Also, the 380 EZ is in between my current CCW and the Shield M2.0 in terms of size.

General ballistics are fine on .380, my hesitation comes from poor hollow point performance on them. The list of jhp rounds that spread properly on impact is tiny, and even then they only function as intended like 70% of the time.

 

As for the p365 issues, the current revision has pretty much wrangled all of the gremlins. I didn't buy one until now for this precise reason and after keeping an eye on them for around 1.5 years, I was finally convinced they had the kinks worked out. Several of my friends have the current version and have put thousands of rounds through them without issue, and another buddy who owns a local gun shop told me they haven't had any returns or warranty submissions for p365s since October when the current revision started shipping.

 

All in all though if you're really all about the 380 EZ then it might be the right CCW for you. I'd never carry one, but I'm not you lol

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7 minutes ago, Slumberjack said:

General ballistics are fine on .380, my hesitation comes from poor hollow point performance on them. The list of jhp rounds that spread properly on impact is tiny, and even then they only function as intended like 70% of the time.

 

As for the p365 issues, the current revision has pretty much wrangled all of the gremlins. I didn't buy one until now for this precise reason and after keeping an eye on them for around 1.5 years, I was finally convinced they had the kinks worked out. Several of my friends have the current version and have put thousands of rounds through them without issue, and another buddy who owns a local gun shop told me they haven't had any returns or warranty submissions for p365s since October when the current revision started shipping.

 

All in all though if you're really all about the 380 EZ then it might be the right CCW for you. I'd never carry one, but I'm not you lol

I'm not, that's just it.  One minute I'm loving the 380 EZ, the next it's the Shield M2.0 or the P365.  All three would be solid options and I'm probably over thinking it.  TBH, with aftermarket support, the Shield 2.0 would probably be the best bet.  It's two less than the P365, has reliability, it's thin and compact like I like, and it's comfortable to hold when I was holding one at my LGS.

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35 minutes ago, Slumberjack said:

General ballistics are fine on .380, my hesitation comes from poor hollow point performance on them. The list of jhp rounds that spread properly on impact is tiny, and even then they only function as intended like 70% of the time.

I have to agree with this. The 380EZ might be a great gun, but it's going to be held back by the fact that it's .380 ACP.

 

My issues with .380 is two fold:

 

1) it's more expensive than 9mm, which makes practicing more expensive.

 

and

 

2) There are pretty much no ammunition options that both expand and reach the 12" penetration minimum per the FBI standard, and that's just because there's not much energy behind a 90ish grain projectile moving at 900ish FPS.

 

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#380ACP 

 

IMHO the Sig 938 (admittedly more expensive than the 380EZ) is about the best micro 9mm currently on the market, but the P365 is also a great choice.

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3 hours ago, Real_PhillBert said:

IMHO the Sig 938 (admittedly more expensive than the 380EZ) is about the best micro 9mm currently on the market, but the P365 is also a great choice.

The p938 is definitely an excellent little gun, though my own carry preferences trend toward striker or da/sa hammer guns over SA with a thumb safety, i'd probably still happily carry one if it was in my collection...though if I was buying a 1911 pattern pistol for carry it'd be a SW1911 9mm Pro Series

 

@kaiju_wars have you looked at revolvers at all out of curiosity? Since you're already leaning towards single stack, it seems like capacity isn't a huge factor for you, and the ruger lcr is a great carry gun. So is the s&w j-frame, though I personally hate how heavy the trigger is and think it's an unruly degree of snappy.

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19 hours ago, Chronified said:

I know that having clips larger than 5 rounds stored with your gun is illegal in Canada, but what if it it's not with a gun? Would it be illegal for me to have a clip that holds over 5 rounds if I don't even have a gun?

I go out to the range with my mom (coolest mom ever award goes to) quite often and she has a 5-shot clip since that's all we can legally have here in Canada, where can I find a clip online that'll hold more? Really hard to get into the zone with only 5 shots. 

Already spoke to the range marshal, he's cool with it as long as it's not stored with the gun owner.  Regardless of legality, I'd like to have a banana clip but have 0 idea where to find one lol. 

 

Just a .22 riffle for anyone wondering, could barely break a bone with it. I need to lob in shots further than 50 yards lol

I am not a lawyer, so take my word with a grain (or more) of salt, but my very limited understanding of Canadian law is that it's pretty much illegal for you to have more than 5 round magazines.  Unless you actually meant clip (as in, to load a fixed magazine), in which case I have no idea.  I did find a .22 speed loader in a quick search online, but I don't know if they ship to Canada or if it's even legal there.

 

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8 hours ago, Slumberjack said:

and the ruger lcr is a great carry gun

I've been very pleased with my Ruger LC9s Pro.  First 9mm I bought after trading in my Jiminez .380, and I plan to keep it for a long time to come.  7+1 capacity, with up to 10rd mags available (however those make it hard to conceal, so I carry them as spares).  Single stack, so it's thin.  If you get the Pro model, no pesky manual safety, though it does have a trigger safety which has pinched my finger on a few occasions.  Overall, I've been quite pleased with it.

 

If I had any one gripe with it, it's that the disassembly pin can be a bit of a pain to pop out, but that's a minor gripe in my opinion.

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7 hours ago, Slumberjack said:

The p938 is definitely an excellent little gun, though my own carry preferences trend toward striker or da/sa hammer guns over SA with a thumb safety, i'd probably still happily carry one if it was in my collection...though if I was buying a 1911 pattern pistol for carry it'd be a SW1911 9mm Pro Series

 

@kaiju_wars have you looked at revolvers at all out of curiosity? Since you're already leaning towards single stack, it seems like capacity isn't a huge factor for you, and the ruger lcr is a great carry gun. So is the s&w j-frame, though I personally hate how heavy the trigger is and think it's an unruly degree of snappy.

Not interested in revolvers tbh.  I'm looking for something super slim, while not as small as a sub compact .380.  I already have an LCP for that.  The Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 2.0 fits right in between my LCP and my PA-63 in terms of size, while (with the 8 round magazine) still having a (somewhat) full grip.  I can conceal a full length grip, I have a hard time concealing a doublestack like a Glock 26 or 19.

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