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5 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

Just like the police who took an oath to uphold the constitution will suddenly tell their Superior Officer to pack sand and favor the unemployment line to feed his family

  1. Police taking an oath to uphold the constitution isn't all that common. It's the SHERRIFFS that do that.
  2. They simply don't try to enforce unenforceable law.
  3. There have been stories last year of police chiefs and sherriffs refusing to support or enforce these anti American laws.

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9 minutes ago, Drak3 said:
  1. Police taking an oath to uphold the constitution isn't all that common. It's the SHERRIFFS that do that.
  2. They simply don't try to enforce unenforceable law.
  3. There have been stories last year of police chiefs and sherriffs refusing to support or enforce these anti American laws.

And that should tell you all you need to know about enforcement drones. They will do what they are told until they are told to do otherwise. It's ironic that I call them drones since their ferocity and resolve strengthen one hundred fold if you attack them, much like hornets and wasps.

 

Something else to consider: When the feds get involved in a situation, the state or local authority has little to say about it. How often do you NOT see BATFE or FBI agents on the ground during a confiscation or standoff? One look at the Bundy standoff, or hell Waco, TX for that matter, should give you all the evidence you need that supports "Just doing my job". The american people are out-trained, outnumbered, and out-gunned. You couldn't gather enough like minded people in one place with enough firepower to make the government shivver. Those kinds of folks are few and far between, and this is a really big country.


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7 minutes ago, The Friendly Elite said:

correct me if i'm wrong but i believe the Constitution states that we can overthrow it if it becomes to tyrannical 

Good luck with that at this stage. I'd love to impeach pelosi and schumer, but they are not reps/congressmen from my state, so there isn't anything Wisconsin can do about it, even if the entire state wanted it. Or even the surrounding 4 states. Only Congress can remove a congressman. not likely to happen with a 2 party majority. There is nothing short of broad daylight murder that could remove them, and there are days i even doubt THAT.

 

This is why I favor a lower threshold for impeachment and term limits for all elected and non-elected officials across the entire spectrum of government, as well as de facto sunset clauses and a full repeal of the 17th amendment.


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25 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

Good luck with that at this stage. I'd love to impeach pelosi and schumer, but they are not reps/congressmen from my state, so there isn't anything Wisconsin can do about it, even if the entire state wanted it. Or even the surrounding 4 states. Only Congress can remove a congressman. not likely to happen with a 2 party majority. There is nothing short of broad daylight murder that could remove them, and there are days i even doubt THAT.

 

This is why I favor a lower threshold for impeachment and term limits for all elected and non-elected officials across the entire spectrum of government, as well as de facto sunset clauses and a full repeal of the 17th amendment.

i think you and me share the same view on this.

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5 minutes ago, RedAV8R said:

Um... What? Explain. Why?

The 17th amendment made senators directly electable, which makes the whole reason for having two branches of Congress moot.  The House is meant to represent the interests of the people, while the Senate is meant to represent the interests of the states.  With Senators directly elected by the people, it greatly reduces the power of the states (which was the original intent, in my opinion).

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11 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

The 17th amendment made senators directly electable, which makes the whole reason for having two branches of Congress moot.  The House is meant to represent the interest of the people, while the Senate is meant to represent the interests of the states.  With Senators directly elected by the people, it greatly reduces the power of the states (which was the original intent, in my opinion).

As originally written, the Senate was filled by state legislature, which in turn is elected by the people... I guess I'm not seeing any sort of balance of power shifted by getting rid of the middle man. I mean I'm open to ideas, but I don't see any major upset here. I mean feel free to continue on. I'm all ears. I guess of all the Constitution, the 17th wasn't even really on my radar for being repealed.

I mean the Senate still holds valuable identity for two houses even if being directly elected. One where simply population control determines leanings and the senate where states do matter.

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4 minutes ago, RedAV8R said:

As originally written, the Senate was filled by state legislature, which in turn is elected by the people... I guess I'm not seeing any sort of balance of power shifted by getting rid of the middle man.

It's the same concept as having the Electoral College for Presidential elections, rather than popular vote (and they're gunning for that next).  Popular vote is far too easy to manipulate.  There's a reason we were setup as a representative republic, rather than a democracy.  The framers knew that a democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where the majority can take away the rights of the minority.  This is the road we're headed down, with these protections being removed one by one.

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You are still failing to justify how a mob rule people elected state legislature then electing senators is so fantastically different than the mob rule people directly electing the senators themselves.

The concept of the Senate (2 per state) regardless of population still keeps things 'equal'.

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3 hours ago, RedAV8R said:

You are still failing to justify how a mob rule people elected state legislature then electing senators is so fantastically different than the mob rule people directly electing the senators themselves.

The concept of the Senate (2 per state) regardless of population still keeps things 'equal'.

Because Wisconsin wouldn't be burdened with people like Sen. Baldwin. Considering there isn't ANYTHING we can do to remove her prematurely from her post, a senator that is appointed by the state legislature could otherwise be fired and replaced at any time, at the behest of the represented, without 17A. There is a LOT fewer people involved without the 17th in the way, and my rep can better represent me, because he lives where i live, and there aren't 10,000,000 voices being shouted constantly.

 

If she's not best representing wisconsin (and she isn't) she needs to be shown the door. No different than any other appointed official. They serve at the pleasure of their appointee. Perhaps that would make them actually work together and in the interests of their state rather than independently in the interests of their party.


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6 hours ago, RedAV8R said:

You are still failing to justify how a mob rule people elected state legislature then electing senators is so fantastically different than the mob rule people directly electing the senators themselves.

The concept of the Senate (2 per state) regardless of population still keeps things 'equal'.

Because the original way of doing things, meant the Senators were beholden to the interests of the state that appointed them.  While you could argue they were indirectly responsible to the people, the 17th amendment made them directly responsible to the people, and thus completely ignores the interests of the states.  That's not to say they don't address the interests of their respective states, but said states have virtually no influence in directing their policies now.

 

Also, you need to be aware of how the 17th amendment came about.  Just as today, the left used lies and made up statistics to present this case that there was rampant corruption in the selection process.  While some corruption did occur (there was only one documented case, to my knowledge), it was hardly the norm.  Alas, people fell for it and now the states' power is weakened because of it.

 

It was a bad idea then, it's a bad idea now.

 

Maybe an analogy would help.  Let's say there's a large corporation.  Within this large corporation is a couple committees that meet to determine the future direction of said company.  One group is made up of employees, while the other is made up of managers.  Suddenly, the rules change and both groups are now made up of employees.  That means management has virtually no say in these committees that determine what direction the company will go.

 

That's what happened with the 17th amendment.  The management (states) were kicked off the committees and only employees (the people) were allowed on.  You might think that sounds like a good thing, but you'd be wrong.  The whims of the people are fickle, and their direction can be easily swayed through lies and manipulation.

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@knightslugger Um... No a senator can not be removed willy nilly. Even originally written senators were elected for 6 years. Removal of which is governed by Section 5 of Article I. Sorry all i hear is whining because the state is predominately republican while you have a dem for senator. and if it were the way it was 100 years ago that R legislature could ensure a R senator.

 

With that.. Eh I can see more one term senators, (I'd be much more supportive of term limits for congress). Less special interest lobbying, less money, etc. But as for states rights being enhanced, eh, still not seeing it work as you describe. I'm not saying I wouldn't be supportive of a repeal of the 17th, there really is no need for it, but I can see those not in favor as seeing it as more a gerrymandering than anything.

I've seen exactly one rep of mine actually have any sort of common sense, while he has an R behind him, much more of a L in practice. Unfortunately i'm moving here into a new district and I need to do some research.

I don't believe much of any elected official actually reps their respective state unless it comes to money for jobs at the taxpayers teet. This officials lobbying for funds for gross spending on money pits like the F-35 and the SLS. So yeah they are repping their state, but not for the betterment of the country. If so those costly programs should have been killed YEARS ago.

Sorry rambling. Hell I feel the pain. We've got a new D governor while thankfully a super R majority in both state house and senate. So she can pound sand for 4 years all she wants.

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6 minutes ago, ArtoriaPendragon said:

Dang, I've been gone forever and this place seems dead.

Don't leave then.

 

This thread is the only place I have to talk about things like the M27 and it's problems.


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1 minute ago, Jito463 said:

Simple solution, let's start talking politics!  That'll surely get this place hopping. ;) 

There's a new "assault" weapons ban in the pipeline.


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53 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

There's a new "assault" weapons ban in the pipeline.

We already discussed that one previously, but it's worth noting that the language of the bill basically bans virtually every semi-automatic rifle as an "assault rifle".

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7 hours ago, Jito463 said:

We already discussed that one previously, but it's worth noting that the language of the bill basically bans virtually every semi-automatic rifle as an "assault rifle".

Just to append from my previous comment, here's the text directly from the bill:

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“(v) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault weapon.

I would call them morons for not realizing what an "assault rifle" actually is, but I'm convinced that they're doing it intentionally to confuse people by conflating the language.

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3 hours ago, Jito463 said:

 

I would call them morons for not realizing what an "assault rifle" actually is, but I'm convinced that they're doing it intentionally to confuse people by conflating the language.

It's exactly what they're doing.  


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Build progress.

Anderson Manufacturing lower.

Palmetto State lower parts kit.

Aero Precision upper (no forward assist).

Palmetto State full auto bolt and carrier.

Faxon 16" pencil barrel.

Faxon low profile gas block.

Can't remember what gas tube I got.

 

Just need a hand guard, charging handle and muzzle device.

 

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7 hours ago, Snadzies said:

muzzle device.

I'm a fan of both Odin Works' Atlas 6.5, and Strike Industries' Triple Crown. But go Odin Works to support a company that's less than 30 minutes away from me.


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On 2/13/2019 at 6:43 PM, Jito463 said:

I would call them morons for not realizing what an "assault rifle" actually is, but I'm convinced that they're doing it intentionally to confuse people by conflating the language.

Some would still argue that there is no such thing as an "assault rifle", and that the whole term is contrived to make the weapon itself seem like a crime.


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5 minutes ago, straight_stewie said:

Some would still argue that there is no such thing as an "assault rifle", and that the whole term is contrived to make the weapon itself seem like a crime.

Assault Weapon is a made up term (from the '94 ban of the same name), but Assault Rifle is actually legitimate with a specific meaning.  It originated with the German Sturmgewehr, which literally translates as "assault rifle".

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The name was chosen for propaganda reasons and means "assault rifle" as in "to assault a bunker". After the adoption of the StG44, the English translation 'assault rifle' became a common class description of this type of infantry small arm.

The official classification is any weapon that has a toggle switch between semi-automatic and rapid fire.  Unfortunately, the leftist media and politicians have so conflated the terms assault rifle and assault weapon - then muddied that up with semi-automatic weapons - to the point where most people don't see any difference.

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1 minute ago, Jito463 said:

German Sturmgewehr, which literally translates as "assault rifle".

Storm rifle. The literal translation is storm rifle.

 

2 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

toggle switch between semi-automatic and rapid fire. 

I don't know how to say this I know exactly how to say this but rapid fire by itself means nothings.


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