Karl Marx' 10 planks to Communism - all implemented in the USA

[Toddskins]

USA is now a de facto federal socialist government.  It's not over, no.  Things are getting worse by the minute.
 

 

First Plank: Abolition of property in land and the application of all rents of land to public purposes. (Zoning - Model ordinances proposed by Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover widely adopted. Supreme Court ruled "zoning" to be "constitutional" in 1921. Private owners of property required to get permission from government relative to the use of their property. Federally owned lands are leased for grazing, mining, timber usages, the fees being paid into the U.S. Treasury.)

 

Second Plank: A heavy progressive or graduated incometax. (Corporate Tax Act of 1909. The 16th Amendment, allegedly ratified in 1913. The Revenue Act of 1913, section 2, Income Tax. These laws have been purposely misapplied against American citizens to this day.)

 

Third Plank: Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (Partially accomplished by enactment of various state and federal "estate tax" laws taxing the "privilege" of transfering property after death and gift before death.)

 

Fourth Plank: CONFISCATION OF THE PROPERTY OF ALL EMIGRANTS AND REBELS. (The confiscation of property and persecution of those critical - "rebels" - of government policies and actions, frequently accomplished by prosecuting them in a courtroom drama on charges of violations of non-existing administrative or regulatory laws.)

 

Fifth Plank: Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. (The Federal Reserve Bank, 1913- -the system of privately-owned Federal Reserve banks which maintain a monopoly on the valueless debt "money" in circulation.)

 

Sixth Plank: Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State. (Federal Radio Commission, 1927; Federal Communications Commission, 1934; Air Commerce Act of 1926; Civil Aeronautics Act of 1938; Federal Aviation Agency, 1958; becoming part of the Department of Transportation in 1966; Federal Highway Act of 1916 (federal funds made available to States for highway construction); Interstate Highway System, 1944 (funding began 1956); Interstate Commerce Commission given authority by Congress to regulate trucking and carriers on inland waterways, 1935-40; Department of Transportation, 1966.)

 

Seventh Plank: Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. (Depart-ment of Agriculture, 1862; Agriculture Adjustment Act of 1933 -- farmers will receive government aid if and only if they relinquish control of farming activities; Tennessee Valley Authority, 1933 with the Hoover Dam completed in 1936.)

 

Eighth Plank: Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies especially for agriculture. (First labor unions, known as federations, appeared in 1820. National Labor Union established 1866. American Federation of Labor established 1886. Interstate Commerce Act of 1887 placed railways under federal regulation. Department of Labor, 1913. Labor-management negotiations sanctioned under Railway Labor Act of 1926. Civil Works Administration, 1933. National Labor Relations Act of 1935, stated purpose to free inter-state commerce from disruptive strikes by eliminating the cause of the strike. Works Progress Administration 1935. Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, mandated 40-hour work week and time-and-a-half for overtime, set "minimum wage" scale. Civil Rights Act of 1964, effectively the equal liability of all to labor.)

 

Ninth Plank: Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country. (Food processing companies, with the co-operation of the Farmers Home Administration foreclosures, are buying up farms and creating "conglomerates.")

 

 

Tenth Plank: Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. (Gradual shift from private education to publicly funded began in the Northern States, early 1800's. 1887: federal money (unconstitutionally) began funding specialized education. Smith-Lever Act of 1914, vocational education; Smith-Hughes Act of 1917 and other relief acts of the 1930's. Federal school lunch program of 1935; National School Lunch Act of 1946. National Defense Education Act of 1958, a reaction to Russia's Sputnik satellite demonstration, provided grants to education's specialties. Federal school aid law passed, 1965, greatly enlarged federal role in education, "head-start" programs, textbooks, library books.

http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/planks.html

 

 

 

And for another breakdown of the US laws lining up with Marxism, read here:

http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

 

 

 

[JerkyMcDilerino]

Uh..........What? 

[Volbet]

First off, fix the colouring of your post. People using the Dark theme can't read it.

I'm not done reading through it, but I'll give my thoughts when I'm done.

[Toddskins]

This outline is better:

 

 

 

ARE Americans practicing Communism?

Read the 10 Planks of The Communist Manifesto to discover the truth and learn how to know your enemy...

Karl Marx describes in his communist manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state. Those ten steps are known as the Ten Planks of The Communist Manifesto… The following brief presents the original ten planks within the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart for each of the planks. From comparison it's clear MOST Americans have by myths, fraud and deception under the color of law by their own politicians in both the Republican and Democratic and parties, been transformed into Communists.

Another thing to remember, Karl Marx in creating the Communist Manifesto designed these planks AS A TEST to determine whether a society has become communist or not. If they are all in effect and in force, then the people ARE practicing communists.

Communism, by any other name is still communism, and is VERY VERY destructive to the individual and to the society!!

The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are...

 

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes. 
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)

 

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

 

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

 

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).

 

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

 

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State. 
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

 

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. 
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

 

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

 

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country. 
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

 

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. 
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.

 

Do changing words, change the end result? ... By using different words, is it all of a sudden OK to ignore or violate the provisions or intent of the Constitution of the united States of America?????

 

The people (politicians) who believe in the SOCIALISTIC and COMMUNISTIC concepts, especially those who pass more and more laws implementing these slavery ideas, are traitors to their oath of office and to the Constitution of the united States of America... KNOW YOUR ENEMY ...Remove the enemy from within and from among us.

 

VOTE LIBERTARIAN, the only political party in America that still firmly supports and diligently abides by the Constitution of the united States of America.

 

None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free....

 

http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

[Imabigmac]

Well, I guess everything is open to how one interprets it, "Second Plank: A heavy progressive or graduated income tax"  But is America really that heavily taxed in relation to communist countries countries? 

[Monkey Dust]

And? Name a developed nation that doesn't implement these planks. It doesn't mean the Statue of Liberty is about to be replaced with a statue of Lenin, and you'll all start referring to each other as comrade.

[Daegun]

I feel like some of these are really stretching.

And if something works, does it matter who thought of the idea first? I mean really, (as an example) America has such terrible Healthcare because people see the word 'socialized' in socialized healthcare and say, 'nope, socialized anything means communism and we all know that's bad,' and ignore that every other developed nation has implemented it in one way or another and it works.

[Volbet]

The outline was better formatted, but also much more heavily opinionated.

I'll go through the points to the best of my ability

1. This has not been implamented yet. Zoning laws still allows you to use your property however you want, as long as it's within reason. Most places you can build a shed if you want, but you can't just decide to build a 75 story skyscraper. What you do on your own property can unfortunatly also affect the people that lives around that property.
2. Sure it's a marxist plan, but I can't really see why it's a bad thing. The strongest shoulders should carry the heaviest load. And compared to other countires, the rich in the US are not heavily taxed. And depending on what economic theorist you subscribe to, destributing the wealth from the rich to the poor is better for society overall, than letting the rich keep all of their accumulated wealth.
3. People can still inherit money in the US. This just goes back to how people see taxation. Libertarians tend to think in terms of labour and that it's labout that should be taxed (some also argue for the taxation of goods insted). Most countires however see taxation in the light of enrichment, and that it's enrichment that should be taxed. Inheritance is an enrichment, since it enriches the person(s).that inherits Therefor inheritance is taxed. And inheritance has been taxed since the old days of Rome, so it's not really a new thing.
4. As far as I know, uou can reclaim you confiscated property from the IRS, if they have confiscated it wrongly. This would be done through the court system. 
5. While the post already mentions the obvious, I fear I will now talk down to people: The Federal Reserve is privatly owned. That's not really in Marx's spirit. It also goes against their own point. And the reason it is like this, is so that Us government didn't have full control over it's money. The regualtions were made to minimize the US governments involment in banking.
6. This is pretty much the standard in all developed countries. Personally, I'm glad that the US demands a drivers license.
7. So laws that regulate corporations are bad? This is just an asinine statement.
8. Labour unions sprung up all over the developed world without the interference of governments. Why are they a bad thing? Doesn't workers have the right to get together and demand better treatment, or is that right only for the rich?
9. Again, this is talking about private conglomerates, not state ones. Marx would roll over in his grave, if he knew people were representing him this way.
10. Yeah, why should poor people be educated? State regulations is not necessarily a bad thing. It keeps a standard of learning, making sure that most people can actually read and write when they turn 18. And I might a bit of a dreamer, but I do think that it's good to a well educated society. 

In the end, this posts suffers from the same problem that most posts of it's kind suffers from. The assumption that ´socialism´ is bad just becuase it's socialism.

It haven't demonstrated why the libertian ideal is better than the alternative it's trying to demonize. And even if the post demonstrated how socialism is not a working political ideology, libertarianism would still have to prove that it is a working political ideology.

And in the end, there isn't a single developed nation on Earth that doesn't implament these ideas on some level. The purely libertarian state doesn't exist.

The places that it's close to being libertrian states aren't places most people want to live.

When all is said and done, libertarians usually end being as idealistic as the ´communist´ they condem. They have just replaced The Communist Manifesto with Atlas Shrugged.

 

I also find it fasinating, that the political left tend to see the US as a corporatis system, where corporate donors run the political system, and the libertarian right always get to the conclusion that the US is turning into The Peoples Republic of America.

Karl Popper was probably right, when he said, that we shouldn't read history in the light of ideologies.

[Toddskins]

The outline was better formatted, but also much more heavily opinionated.

I'll go through the points to the best of my ability

1. This has not been implamented yet. Zoning laws still allows you to use your property however you want, as long as it's within reason. Most places you can build a shed if you want, but you can't just decide to build a 75 story skyscraper. What you do on your own property can unfortunatly also affect the people that lives around that property.
2. Sure it's a marxist plan, but I can't really see why it's a bad thing. The strongest shoulders should carry the heaviest load. And compared to other countires, the rich in the US are not heavily taxed.
3. People can still inherit money in the US. This just goes back to how people see taxation. Libertarians tend to think in terms of labour and that it's labout that should be taxed (some also argue for the taxation of goods insted). Most countires however see taxation in the light of enrichment, and that it's enrichment that should be taxed. Inheritance is an enrichment, since it enriches the person(s).that inherits Therefor inheritance is taxed. And inheritance has been taxed since the old days of Rome, so it's not really a new thing.
4. As far as I know, uou can reclaim you confiscated property from the IRS, if they have confiscated it wrongly. This would be done through the court system. 
5. While the post already mentions the obvious, I fear I will now talk down to people: The Federal Reserve is privatly owned. That's not really in Marx's spirit. It also goes against their own point.
6. This is pretty much the standard in all developed countries. Personally, I'm glad that the US demands a drivers license.
7. So laws that regulate corporations are bad? This is just an asinine statement.
8. labour unions sprung up all over the developed world without the interferance of governments. Why are they a bad thing? Doesn't workers have the right to get together and demand better treatment, or is that right only for the rich. 
9. Again, this is talking about private conglomerates, not state ones. Marx would roll over in his grave, if he knew people were representing him this way.
10. Yeah, why should poor people be educated? State regulations is not necessarily a bad thing. It keeps a standard of learning, making sure that most people can actually read and write when they turn 18. And I might a bit of a dreamer, but I do think that it's good to a well educated society. 

In the end, this posts suffers from the same problem that most posts of it's kind suffers from. The assumption that ´socialism´ is bad just becuase it's socialism.

It haven't demonstrated why the libertian ideal is better than the alternative it's trying to demonize. And even if the post demonstrated how socialism is not a working political ideology, libertarianism would still have to prove that it is a working political ideology.

And in the end, there isn't a single developed nation on Earth that doesn't implament these ideas on some level. The purely libertarian state doesn't exist.

The places that it's close to existing is't places most people want to live.

When all is said and done, libertarians usually end being as idealistic as the ´communist´ they condem. They have just replaced The Communist Manifesto with Atlas Shrugged.

 

I also find it fasinating, that the political left tend to see the US as a corporatis system, where corporate donors run the political system, and the libertarian right always get to the conclusion that the US is turning into The Peoples Republic of America.

 

Nah.  Your thinking is to try and persuade people who are free, or desire to be free, into thinking that your communist ideals are good and okay.  It's just that simple.

The founding fathers of the US Constitution, and the USA, was based on principles that are completely contrary to Marx' Communist manifesto and the 10 planks to get there.  The fact that the US laws are now against its own Constitution, is the point of my post - and to "help" educate morons and stupid people, into knowing better.

Obviously, you are a communist as you agree with Marx.  Own up to it instead of lying and trying to change the obvious.

What's that common axiom quoted so often?  "A rose by any other name is still a rose".

[Atmos]

 

 

• First Plank: Abolition of property in land and the application of all rents of land to public purposes. (Zoning - Model ordinances proposed by Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover widely adopted. Supreme Court ruled "zoning" to be "constitutional" in 1921. Private owners of property required to get permission from government relative to the use of their property. Federally owned lands are leased for grazing, mining, timber usages, the fees being paid into the U.S. Treasury.)

 

People [individuals] in the united states still own land. This has no standing in the US.

 

Second Plank: A heavy progressive or graduated incometax. (Corporate Tax Act of 1909. The 16th Amendment, allegedly ratified in 1913. The Revenue Act of 1913, section 2, Income Tax. These laws have been purposely misapplied against American citizens to this day.)

We have taxes, not particularly high compared to others, but we do have income tax, I cannot deny.

 

 

Third Plank: Abolition of all rights of inheritance. (Partially accomplished by enactment of various state and federal "estate tax" laws taxing the "privilege" of transfering property after death and gift before death.)

We still have inheritance, this is still something, you can't say, "Well, a small part of it is gone, so I'm going to mark it all down as gone and move on." That's not how it works mate.

 

 

Fourth Plank: CONFISCATION OF THE PROPERTY OF ALL EMIGRANTS AND REBELS. (The confiscation of property and persecution of those critical - "rebels" - of government policies and actions, frequently accomplished by prosecuting them in a courtroom drama on charges of violations of non-existing administrative or regulatory laws.)

People who leave the united states do not have all of their property seized. This is an absurd claim, not even based in reality. People accused, and convicted of treason, can have their property seized, but having all of it seized is a rare thing.

 

 

Fifth Plank: Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. (The Federal Reserve Bank, 1913- -the system of privately-owned Federal Reserve banks which maintain a monopoly on the valueless debt "money" in circulation.)

our banks are NOT "In the hands of the state" they're in the hands of private individuals. Please keep your facts straight, we created a law and amended the constitution to STOP the state controlling all currency. 

 

 

Sixth Plank: Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State. (Federal Radio Commission, 1927; Federal Communications Commission, 1934; Air Commerce Act of 1926; Civil Aeronautics Act of 1938; Federal Aviation Agency, 1958; becoming part of the Department of Transportation in 1966; Federal Highway Act of 1916 (federal funds made available to States for highway construction); Interstate Highway System, 1944 (funding began 1956); Interstate Commerce Commission given authority by Congress to regulate trucking and carriers on inland waterways, 1935-40; Department of Transportation, 1966.)

Communications, by means of phone, and internet is governed by private industry, once again. They still have to abide by laws and regulations imposed by the state, but the state does not control them. Please keep your facts straight. Transportation, asside from PUBLIC transportation is also, once again, private with state regulation on the cost/tax. They do not however, control who can buy a car/bike, or use a plane/train/bus. 

 

 

Seventh Plank: Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. (Depart-ment of Agriculture, 1862; Agriculture Adjustment Act of 1933 -- farmers will receive government aid if and only if they relinquish control of farming activities; Tennessee Valley Authority, 1933 with the Hoover Dam completed in 1936.)

Many farms are still private moron, this law was enacted to help farmers who are struggling; and if they do decide they need help, then the government will help. But they get to decide how and what you grow. What on earth does this have to do with factories? Are you retarded? This is completely nonsensical...

 

 

Eighth Plank: Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies especially for agriculture. (First labor unions, known as federations, appeared in 1820. National Labor Union established 1866. American Federation of Labor established 1886. Interstate Commerce Act of 1887 placed railways under federal regulation. Department of Labor, 1913. Labor-management negotiations sanctioned under Railway Labor Act of 1926. Civil Works Administration, 1933. National Labor Relations Act of 1935, stated purpose to free inter-state commerce from disruptive strikes by eliminating the cause of the strike. Works Progress Administration 1935. Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, mandated 40-hour work week and time-and-a-half for overtime, set "minimum wage" scale. Civil Rights Act of 1964, effectively the equal liability of all to labor.)

This section of the guidelines of communism means that all people are supposed to work, and all work is equal in value. In the US, you are not forced to work, by any means. Not, at, all. Go live in the desert and be a homeless hippie eating desert cactus for all we care. Another mindless point, without any backing.

 

 

Ninth Plank: Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country. (Food processing companies, with the co-operation of the Farmers Home Administration foreclosures, are buying up farms and creating "conglomerates.")

There is still a HUGE distinction between towns and country, and even cities and towns. If this were actually taking place in the US, then california wouldn't have magnitudes more citizens than any other state.

 

 

Tenth Plank: Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. (Gradual shift from private education to publicly funded began in the Northern States, early 1800's. 1887: federal money (unconstitutionally) began funding specialized education. Smith-Lever Act of 1914, vocational education; Smith-Hughes Act of 1917 and other relief acts of the 1930's. Federal school lunch program of 1935; National School Lunch Act of 1946. National Defense Education Act of 1958, a reaction to Russia's Sputnik satellite demonstration, provided grants to education's specialties. Federal school aid law passed, 1965, greatly enlarged federal role in education, "head-start" programs, textbooks, library books.

And there's something wrong with free-education? And no, college isn't "free" even with a government loan, you're still going to be paying out your ass in debt for 15 years to work off that 10K student loan.

 

It seems you know VERY little about what the united states actually is, or are just another far right win conspiracy nut viding for attention.

[Volbet]

Nah.  Your thinking is to try and persuade people who are free, or desire to be free, into thinking that your communist ideals are good and okay.  It's just that simple.

The founding fathers of the US Constitution, and the USA, was based on principles that are completely contrary to Marx' Communist manifesto and the 10 planks to get there.  The fact that the US laws are now against its own Constitution, is the point of my post - and to "help" educate morons and stupid people, into knowing better.

Obviously, you are a communist as you agree with Marx.  Own up to it instead of lying and trying to change the obvious.

What's that common axiom quoted so often?  "A rose by any other name is still a rose".

Why do you have such a black and white view on the political world? 

There are grey areas between libertarism and marxist communism. I would think that my local communist party would be very displeased to hear, that I'm now considered a communist.

If you really want to know, I'm what is commonly refered to as a international moderate. I fall somewhere inbetween Ayn Rand and Noam Chomsky.

But you can call me a communist if you really want to. It doesn't change my arguments.

 

Where in the US consitution does it say, that the federal or state governments can't make regulations?

 

I would also like to say, that you didn't refute any of my points. You just called me a communist without provding any argument for why that it a bad thing and why your position is a better alternative.

Lastly, i would say that my critic of your points came from a very neutral place. I didn't advocate any political ideology, nor any particular way of doing things. I was mearly pointing out why your points were wrong.

[Toddskins]

 

 

 

• First Plank: Abolition of property in land and the application of all rents of land to public purposes. (Zoning - Model ordinances proposed by Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover widely adopted. Supreme Court ruled "zoning" to be "constitutional" in 1921. Private owners of property required to get permission from government relative to the use of their property. Federally owned lands are leased for grazing, mining, timber usages, the fees being paid into the U.S. Treasury.)

 

People [individuals] in the united states still own land. This has no standing in the US.

 

We have taxes, not particularly high compared to others, but we do have income tax, I cannot deny.

 

 

We still have inheritance, this is still something, you can't say, "Well, a small part of it is gone, so I'm going to mark it all down as gone and move on." That's not how it works mate.

 

 

People who leave the united states do not have all of their property seized. This is an absurd claim, not even based in reality. People accused, and convicted of treason, can have their property seized, but having all of it seized is a rare thing.

 

 

our banks are NOT "In the hands of the state" they're in the hands of private individuals. Please keep your facts straight, we created a law and amended the constitution to STOP the state controlling all currency. 

 

 

Communications, by means of phone, and internet is governed by private industry, once again. They still have to abide by laws and regulations imposed by the state, but the state does not control them. Please keep your facts straight. Transportation, asside from PUBLIC transportation is also, once again, private with state regulation on the cost/tax. They do not however, control who can buy a car/bike, or use a plane/train/bus. 

 

 

Many farms are still private moron, this law was enacted to help farmers who are struggling; and if they do decide they need help, then the government will help. But they get to decide how and what you grow. What on earth does this have to do with factories? Are you retarded? This is completely nonsensical...

 

 

This section of the guidelines of communism means that all people are supposed to work, and all work is equal in value. In the US, you are not forced to work, by any means. Not, at, all. Go live in the desert and be a homeless hippie eating desert cactus for all we care. Another mindless point, without any backing.

 

 

There is still a HUGE distinction between towns and country, and even cities and towns. If this were actually taking place in the US, then california wouldn't have magnitudes more citizens than any other state.

 

 

And there's something wrong with free-education? And no, college isn't "free" even with a government loan, you're still going to be paying out your ass in debt for 15 years to work off that 10K student loan.

 

It seems you know VERY little about what the united states actually is, or are just another far right win conspiracy nut viding for attention.

 

 

The explanations beneath each of those 10 planks, speak for themselves.  I do not need to repeat them.

 

 

Americans are no longer free on so many levels, and economic freedom is directly related to freedom.

Marx advocated everything to be owned by the "state".  

The "grey" in-between stages, that one of you assert that I do not understand, is only a matter of degree.  The government owning everything does not happen overnight.  But it is happening.

And you truly do not understand how the federal reserve banking (which is a cartel - do you understand the meaning of the word "cartel"?) has full control over the money practice of not only the USA, but also the world.  By printing fiat money, the dollar in your wallet continues to become less valuable, and so you are being stolen from, while you sit there in front of your computer to read and type your stupid rebuttal to this.

Like I said, the explanation below each of those 10 planks, speak for themselves.

You and I are on the hook (if you are American) for $19 Trillion dollars in National Debt, and another $150 Trillion when you take into account future value of the liabilities of the following:

 

• $7.9 trillion ($7,932,000,000,000) in liabilities that are not accounted for in the national debt, such as federal employee retirement benefits, accounts payable, and environmental/disposal liabilities.
• $25.4 trillion ($25,386,000,000,000) in obligations for current Social Security participants above and beyond projected revenues from their payroll and benefit taxes, certain transfers from the general fund of the U.S. Treasury, and assets of the Social Security trust fund.
• $28.2 trillion ($28,200,000,000,000) in obligations for current Medicare participants above and beyond projected revenues from their payroll taxes, benefit taxes, premium payments, and assets of the Medicare trust fund.

http://www.justfacts.com/nationaldebt.asp

 

 

Those bulleted points are from 2014.  And the future value of those liabilities are over $150 Trillion.  Nobody can get their head around it.  

America is bankrupt, and what that means is that the land and parks and forests and schools and government buildings and well, everything, is on the hook to pay back the debt to the private banking cartel (Federal Reserve) which is NOT owned by United States citizens.  Make no mistake.  It will not be long before all your personal money in the bank is confiscated, taxed more heavily, laws made to not let you leave the country, etc., as you are on the hook for this massive debt.  Look at Greece this year.  They were unable to withdraw their money out of their bank accounts, and when they were, only a small amount daily.  America is in for the same thing, because the banking elite (aka the Federal Reserve) are stealing us blind.

And for the educated in the class, Communism is not for all the people, either.  It's brainwashing for their elite to control the masses.  And that is what is underway.  Those who are at the top of the banking system, are implementing Communistic principles and laws against the people, as already outlined in the explanations below the 10 planks.

 

Now, since you are in agreement with forcing people to pay taxes, and forcing people to fund agendas that are against their conscience, you are not in any way a believer in freedom.  People do NOT have the freedom to not pay for the evils that are against their beliefs.  This is what America fought AGAINST when it went to war with England.

But people are now brainwashed into thinking that paying outrageous taxes is normal.

Free people are not forced to do anything of the sort.  

 

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