DAC and amp vs 2.1 computer speakers

[SSL]

He stated a 2.1 did he not? Stating that he must at least like some of the low end spectrum. And so was I giving OP advice for the complete spectrum not just mids to highs. Not to mention I doubt a bookshelf/satilite speaker in this price range will be very accurate sounding.

Again, even if he had a higher budget I'd suggest going DIY with a flat pack as it wouldn't compete with any ID subs on the market.

Just my opinion though. "Child"

 

Are you even aware of how low a typical $150 sub can go?

[spwath]

Are you even aware of how low a typical $150 sub can go?

I mean my sub was only 120$ and I think it Sounds fine, not amazing, but pretty good.

Tho I have never used a better sub.

[KaminKevCrew]

I mean my sub was only 120$ and I think it Sounds fine, not amazing, but pretty good.

Tho I have never used a better sub.

Also, didn't you get your gear used?

[SSL]

I mean my sub was only 120$ and I think it Sounds fine, not amazing, but pretty good.

Tho I have never used a better sub.

 

I have. But the main issue with budget subs is frequency response. Obviously low frequency extension isn't there, as it seems the budget subs just cannot do better than 35Hz. But the high end is also an issue if you want flexibility in setting the crossover. For example, the well-regarded budget Bic F12 can barely hit 80Hz. This makes it more difficult to integrate the sub into a system, since a budget sub is more likely to be paired with budget speakers that can't go very low.

 

The other issue is maximum output. If you don't listen at loud levels, you can get away with a modest sub.

[spwath]

Also, didn't you get your gear used?

everything but my sub.

Because I had money at best buy.

[spwath]

I have. But the main issue with budget subs is frequency response. Obviously low frequency extension isn't there, as it seems the budget subs just cannot do better than 35Hz. But the high end is also an issue if you want flexibility in setting the crossover. For example, the well-regarded budget Bic F12 can barely hit 80Hz. This makes it more difficult to integrate the sub into a system, since a budget sub is more likely to be paired with budget speakers that can't go very low.

The other issue is maximum output. If you don't listen at loud levels, you can get away with a modest sub.

Mine apparently goes from 35-200

But I have less budget speakers that extend down to 60 (according to specs that is)

[KaminKevCrew]

The Sub we used to have was capable of 15hz. But, well, that's kind of unfair, as it was a $4500 sub There's a speaker shop near where I live, and they have a sub that's the size of a lazy boy, and it's about $10,000. That thing is sublime.

[Hikaru12]

you're right, it is. How about instead of being a child about it, you give me reasons to reconsider my opinion? Subs under $500 are not going to be any better than a good set of studio monitors for accurate extension, that's why there isn't a good reason to get one at the $120 price point. If you can't provide supporting evidence, why even bother with having an opinion? I'm trying to give OP good advise on what will sound best for the money, and the fact is, you won't get the best sound for the money by taking up almost half the budget with a cheap sub.

 

Without knowing if the OP is going to be watching movies on his machine it's hard to make a recommendation. There are good subs to be had at under $500. Outlaw M8 or the HSU Research subs, hell even the BIC subs are all good subs around the $200-$300 range but that's outside the OP's budget.

 

I'd say if it could do around 30-40hz then you're doing pretty good. It costs considerably more to squeeze that extra 5-10hz response to bring it down to 20. Anything under 30hz doesn't even produce sound but more of a thump. 

[reckless]

Are you even aware of how low a typical $150 sub can go?

 

The question is more of what OP needs/wants. We have a cheap sub in our livingroom with some paradigms. However, does it go as low as dual SVS PB13 Ultra's in the basement or my SB13 Ultra in my bedroom? Of course not.

[danielhowk]

 

Are you even aware of how low a typical $150 sub can go?

 

 

I mean my sub was only 120$ and I think it Sounds fine, not amazing, but pretty good.

Tho I have never used a better sub.

 

 

Also, didn't you get your gear used?

 

 

I have. But the main issue with budget subs is frequency response. Obviously low frequency extension isn't there, as it seems the budget subs just cannot do better than 35Hz. But the high end is also an issue if you want flexibility in setting the crossover. For example, the well-regarded budget Bic F12 can barely hit 80Hz. This makes it more difficult to integrate the sub into a system, since a budget sub is more likely to be paired with budget speakers that can't go very low.

 

The other issue is maximum output. If you don't listen at loud levels, you can get away with a modest sub.

 

 

everything but my sub.
Because I had money at best buy.

 

 

Without knowing if the OP is going to be watching movies on his machine it's hard to make a recommendation. There are good subs to be had at under $500. Outlaw M8 or the HSU Research subs, hell even the BIC subs are all good subs around the $200-$300 range but that's outside the OP's budget.

 

I'd say if it could do around 30-40hz then you're doing pretty good. It costs considerably more to squeeze that extra 5-10hz response to bring it down to 20. Anything under 30hz doesn't even produce sound but more of a thump. 

 

 

The question is more of what OP needs/wants. We have a cheap sub in our livingroom with some paradigms. However, does it go as low as dual SVS PB13 Ultra's in the basement or my SB13 Ultra in my bedroom? Of course not.

came down to a few options of my own after researching for weeks 

http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Professional-LSR305-Studio-Monitor/dp/B00DUKP37C

http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-HS5-Powered-Studio-Monitor/dp/B00CFOX420/ref=sr_1_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1439738060&sr=1-1&refinements=p_36%3A1253548011

 

hivi swan m50w 

hivi swan mk III or mk II

hivi x4

which do you guys think is better amongst all ? or my options are bad. if so please feel free to recommend thanks

[Hikaru12]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

came down to a few options of my own after researching for weeks 

http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Professional-LSR305-Studio-Monitor/dp/B00DUKP37C

http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-HS5-Powered-Studio-Monitor/dp/B00CFOX420/ref=sr_1_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1439738060&sr=1-1&refinements=p_36%3A1253548011

 

hivi swan m50w 

hivi swan mk III or mk II

hivi x4

which do you guys think is better amongst all ? or my options are bad. if so please feel free to recommend thanks

 

 

I've heard good things about the Swan MKIII series for active bookshelves but nothing about their subs. I think you actually do better for the money. Have you adjusted your budget at all?

[danielhowk]

yeah about 250-300$ is there anything you can recommend ?

[Eugene Yap]

It really depends on what you want.

Convenience and cheap but no options (2.1 computer speakers)

or

Tons of options, Can reach very high fidelity audio but expensive and can be complicated to some people but not me.

 

Soo far very few of the computer speakers has impress me.

I personally use Dac>preamp>amp>speakers.

Just 2 full tower speakers will do for me (depends on your budget), no sub needed.

 

For your case I would recommend Klipsch 2.1 promedia or creative GigaWorks T3. Small but pack a punch within you price range, don't worry about DAC part as DACs or built in sound card as it has very little impact for those speakers.(unless its older realtek)

[danielhowk]

It really depends on what you want.

Convenience and cheap but no options (2.1 computer speakers)

or

Tons of options, Can reach very high fidelity audio but expensive and can be complicated to some people but not me.

 

Soo far very few of the computer speakers has impress me.

I personally use Dac>preamp>amp>speakers.

Just 2 full tower speakers will do for me (depends on your budget), no sub needed.

 

For your case I would recommend Klipsch 2.1 promedia or creative GigaWorks T3. Small but pack a punch within you price range, don't worry about DAC part as DACs or built in sound card as it has very little impact for those speakers.(unless its older realtek)

planning on gaming. i heard a 2.1 will be better for gaming ? so will the kilpsch 2.1 pro media or creative provide a much better experience than the JBL LSR 305 which is a 2.0 bookshelf speaker ?

[Eugene Yap]

planning on gaming. i heard a 2.1 will be better for gaming ? so will the kilpsch 2.1 pro media or creative provide a much better experience than the JBL LSR 305 which is a 2.0 bookshelf speaker ?

I would recommend Klipsch 2.1 promedia for gaming since that speaker is focus on movies and gaming sounds very simpler to movies.  

 

JBL LSR 305 and Creative T3 is more for music listeners.

[danielhowk]

I would recommend Klipsch 2.1 promedia for gaming since that speaker is focus on movies and gaming sounds very simpler to movies.  

 

JBL LSR 305 and Creative T3 is more for music listeners.

will hivi swan m50w be better than kilpsch ? 

my country doesnt have klipsch

or anything else to recommend?

[SSL]

I would recommend Klipsch 2.1 promedia for gaming since that speaker is focus on movies and gaming sounds very simpler to movies.  

 

JBL LSR 305 and Creative T3 is more for music listeners.

 

I didn't realize sound behaved differently when it is in a movie.

[Eugene Yap]

will hivi swan m50w be better than kilpsch ?

my country doesnt have klipsch

or anything else to recommend?

M50w trumps klipsch and creative in terms of music hands down. Didn't test it on movies or games.

I didn't realize sound behaved differently when it is in a movie.

Now you do.

[spwath]

Now you do.

If you didn't catch that, that was sarcasm, as sound will always perform the same Weather it's music, movies, or porn.

There are no speakers optimized for porn.

[Eugene Yap]

If you didn't catch that, that was sarcasm, as sound will always perform the same Weather it's music, movies, or porn.

There are no speakers optimized for porn.

That is a stupid statement and dumb logic. Its like saying "all cars perform the same weather its racing, cruising or having sex inside a car. There are no cars optimized for having sex inside.

 

There are Sports/F1 cars made for racing on flat road, Rally cars made for racing on terrains, luxurious car made for cruising and jeep/hummer made for extremely hard terrains but that not does means cars cannot cross each other purpose, Just that cars would not perform well if anyone tries to do soo.

No cars are made for having sex inside but you can try on any cars.

 

Same concept goes to speakers.

[danielhowk]

That is a stupid statement and dumb logic. Its like saying "all cars perform the same weather its racing, cruising or having sex inside a car. There are no cars optimized for having sex inside.

 

There are Sports/F1 cars made for racing on flat road, Rally cars made for racing on terrains, luxurious car made for cruising and jeep/hummer made for extremely hard terrains but that not does means cars cannot cross each other purpose, Just that cars would not perform well if anyone tries to do soo.

No cars are made for having sex inside but you can try on any cars.

 

Same concept goes to speakers.

 

M50w trumps klipsch and creative in terms of music hands down. Didn't test it on movies or games.

Now you do.

 

I didn't realize sound behaved differently when it is in a movie.

what do you guys think about hivi swan mk III

[SSL]

Now you do.

 

Don't sass me after talking nonsense.

 

That is a stupid statement and dumb logic. Its like saying "all cars perform the same weather its racing, cruising or having sex inside a car. There are no cars optimized for having sex inside.

 

There are Sports/F1 cars made for racing on flat road, Rally cars made for racing on terrains, luxurious car made for cruising and jeep/hummer made for extremely hard terrains but that not does means cars cannot cross each other purpose, Just that cars would not perform well if anyone tries to do soo.

No cars are made for having sex inside but you can try on any cars.

 

Same concept goes to speakers.

 

You're pretty confused, so I'll go easy.

 

Speakers make sound, any speaker that is good at one "type" of sound will do fine with any sound.

 

Fucking in cars is a false analogy because you're comparing two different classes of activity - driving and sex are not of the same thing, last I checked.

[spwath]

Don't sass me after talking nonsense.

You're pretty confused, so I'll go easy.

Speakers make sound, any speaker that is good at one "type" of sound will do fine with any sound.

Fucking in cars is a false analogy because you're comparing two different classes of activity - driving and sex are not of the same thing, last I checked.

Well, you could do them at the same time.

[Eugene Yap]

Don't sass me after talking nonsense.

You're pretty confused, so I'll go easy.

Speakers make sound, any speaker that is good at one "type" of sound will do fine with any sound.

Fucking in cars is a false analogy because you're comparing two different classes of activity - driving and sex are not of the same thing, last I checked.

You know what? you earn a cookie. You can stay in your bubble. I don't want spend too much time debating on that

I know what I'm talking about. I own multiple speakers and amps.

And I don't just own headphones only.

[Eugene Yap]

what do you guys think about hivi swan mk III

They have warm and smooth sound. But lack of focus(not mistaken for clarity) and also lack of punchly bass.

Honestly i think m50w suits your taste better