AMD Zen

[Master Disaster]

Via C3 too

As for Zen, when it comes to Desktop in Q4 2017 it will already be outdated and obsolete. By that time Intel should be well into 10nm and almost certainly will be adding more cores to Desktop SKUs if only to counter Zens release. Releasing a 14nm CPU into a market where your competitors have had them on sale for over 2 full years isn't going to wow anyone.

[Avalen]

Wish IBM tried cramming itself to the CPU market. After all they're on the bleeding edge of developing the underlying tech. They've also got loads of capital, unlike AMD.

[Dabombinable]

Wish IBM tried cramming itself to the CPU market. After all they're on the bleeding edge of developing the underlying tech. They've also got loads of capital, unlike AMD.

They are in the CPU market, just not the consumer side of things and with their own designs and architecture. They also wouldn't do that well because IBM's marketing (to consumers) has always been bad.

[Avalen]

They are in the CPU market, just not the consumer side of things and with their own designs and architecture. They also wouldn't do that well because IBM's marketing (to consumers) has always been bad.

I know, and true.

[Mikjul]

2017... wow, any hope for AMD are becoming too small to really believe any more.

[Nena Trinity]

I have this feeling only the top CPU will be "new" and the rest will be refresh again.

As for performance.. No comments.

That will cost more its cheaper for them to make all new only, they will probably make 8-cores and each damaged unit will be shipped as 6-cores or 4-cores...  (How am I sure they do that? Well its what they are clearly doing with the Piledriver line and Kaveri line but in Kaveri it seems to be iGPU failure results in sale as a 860K...)

[InTechsicated]

If the rumors about hyper threading on the Zen arch. then I would say that these new CPU's could be very competitive if they are priced appropriately. If they can provide hyper threading and the Integrated Graphics performance of an APU in one package then there would certainly be a market share open for them. Especially after Skylake became the "Meh" heard round the world.

[os2wiz]

Well its coming much later than expected so likely won't have the edge amd needed

Why do you have to lie???? It is coming exactly when AMD has said it would since they started mentioning Zen , the 4th quarter of 2016.

[AresKrieger]

Why do you have to lie???? It is coming exactly when AMD has said it would since they started mentioning Zen , the 4th quarter of 2016.

Actually no it was pushed back so ha I fart in your general direction

[AresKrieger]

Still unless they're godly it won't help them though, intel and cpu's are synonymous and when selling cpu's  that helps a lot, plus a lot of people such as myself will never buy one of their cpu's due to bad experiences

[Prysin]

Really? Can we be sure of it? Will it even be a 100% zen release? I'm sceptical considering how they do things with gpus.

Even Nvidia does this " hur dur this is a fully unlocked keplar" BS.

they officially stated somewhere "yeah we fucked up with CMT. Our next venture, Zen, will be based upon SMT (what Intel is using)". "Going from CMT to SMT will give us a 40% boost in IPC, from an architectural standpoint. No matter what we do, SMT will give us 40% higher IPC then our current products (Excavator)"

 

how does AMD stack up in terms of IPC vs haswell?

Bulldozer (original FX) -> 55% ish lower IPC then Haswell

Piledriver ("current" FX) -> 45% ish lower IPC then haswell

Steamroller (Kaveri APUs) -> 40% ish lower IPC then haswell

Excavator (Carrizo APUs) -> 30% ish lower IPC then haswell

 

So add 40% more IPC to Excavator and you should realistically see a product around Haswell levels. If they squeeze their architecture a little, we may see AMD reach near Broadwell/Skylake levels of IPC.

 

No mention of clock speeds or overclocking headroom has been discussed yet.

 

No mention of chipset features has been stated beyond the fact that ZEN will support both DDR3 and DDR4.

 

All new ZEN based products, be it pure CPU or APU will use the AM4 socket.

[Prysin]

Still unless they're godly it won't help them though, intel and cpu's are synonymous and when selling cpu's  that helps a lot, plus a lot of people such as myself will never buy one of their cpu's due to bad experiences

and that is just idiocy.

Sure, i owned a FX 8320. Now i use a i7 4790k.... in gaming, the difference CAN be huge. In photoshop and stuff like that, i know the i7 is faster, but it doesnt feel any better.... so whatever multi-thread performance increase i had over the FX, it didnt really show.

 

 

But yeah, "past experiences"....

 

So if you go out to a resturant, buy a meal, is unhappy with THAT meal. You never go there again in fear of everything else sucking too?

[AresKrieger]

and that is just idiocy.

Sure, i owned a FX 8320. Now i use a i7 4790k.... in gaming, the difference CAN be huge. In photoshop and stuff like that, i know the i7 is faster, but it doesnt feel any better.... so whatever multi-thread performance increase i had over the FX, it didnt really show.

 

 

But yeah, "past experiences"....

 

So if you go out to a resturant, buy a meal, is unhappy with THAT meal. You never go there again in fear of everything else sucking too?

If I go to a restaurant and I get food poisoning then I will never go there again.

[Prysin]

If I go to a restaurant and I get food poisoning then I will never go there again.

did AMD give you food poisoning?

 

didnt your mother tell you NOT to chew at the PCB?

[AresKrieger]

did AMD give you food poisoning?

 

didnt your mother tell you NOT to chew at the PCB?

It was a metaphor, I will pay a little extra for the trust I have in intel, as for gpu's I am flexible but cpu's no. And honestly this will not change no matter what you say, actually it reaffirms my stance the more annoying you are, I have never had a problem with an intel product until that happens their products will be better quality in my mind.

[Nena Trinity]

did AMD give you food poisoning?

 

didnt your mother tell you NOT to chew at the PCB?

But AMDs PCB is so yummy! :3

[SuperCactus]

Zen is going to be like the Fury X,

 

Barely matches its competitor,

Total disappointment.

[Nena Trinity]

Zen is going to be like the Fury X,

 

Barely matches its competitor,

Total disappointment.

Probably or it will be 8 cores of awesomeness! :3 (this time 8-core CPUs will be more usable with DX12!)

[Prysin]

Zen is going to be like the Fury X,

 

Barely matches its competitor,

Total disappointment.

we have still to see how Fury X stacks up in DX12 though.

 

Also, if AMD can launch a platform (mobo + CPU) that is within 10% of intel but at a slightly lower price point. Then they have "won"...

 

All they need is to offer haswell or slightly faster then haswell performance, for lower price then skylake/kaby lake (cuz, damn, those skylake mobo prices are insane)

[Guest trucker2]

With HSA and GCN it would be interesting if you could run dual APU's with both the GCN and the COMPUTE cores working together.

That would allow the consumer to start with an APU and either add another APU or zen FX and dGPU. Obviously the GCN on the APU would need HBM. Kaveri is great but its weakness is forcing the graphics to use ddr3 so it will work in dual graphics only with obsolete cards. The upshot is such cards will be cheap used however the popularity of kavari has inflated the prices of the old r7 250 cards.

   Annandtech did a review of skylake and the benchmarks were not impressive to say the least. intell does tick tock and this was more of a phffft, Zen will be huge. If it wasn't Louie the Liquidator would be choping up AMD by now

[AresKrieger]

Why do you have to lie???? It is coming exactly when AMD has said it would since they started mentioning Zen , the 4th quarter of 2016.

Why do you have to lie about me lying, I have learned the truth http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/448966-if-zen-really-is-pushed-back-to-q4-will-you-just-go-ahead-and-buy-intel/ you now are a fanboy go away

[Perfect_Impurity]

Can we just speak our minds and let each other have our own opinion? even if it doesn't agree with yours. Lets drop the "Fanboy" "Lier" and all the other insults go I just want to know some peoples opinion on the matter. But other than that I love the points people are bring up to the table.

[JustCallMeVlad]

This thread is pure speculation so lets just have some fun with it. No flame wars necessary boys

 

Amd and others have speculated that Zen's IPC range will put it next to Intel's "Ivy Bridge" cores which are no slouch's. Let's speculate and try and estimate how fast Zen can Potentially be. 

 

Estimated Zen Cinebench R15 Numbers : 

 

3.5Ghz Zen 8c/16T - 1,416

3.5Ghz Zen 6c/12t - 1,062

3.5Ghz Zen 4c/8t - 710

 

Now off the bat those numbers are impressive. For comparison the 5960X pulls 1337 in R15, 5820K pulls 1025 and the 6700K pulls 919. Wondering what a Potential 8 core Skylake would score? An impressive 1,838 @ 4Ghz, 

 

Pricing.. Now this is where it gets Iffy. Intel is teasing a mainstream 8 core come 2017. IF intel gives us a 8700K that's an 8 core It should be in the 499-399 range. Amd could price the 8 core Zen at 399.99 and make a killing. 6 Core should be 299.99 and the Quad 199.99. The days of Cheap AMD are OVER. 

[grayblizzard]

This thread is pure speculation so lets just have some fun with it. No flame wars necessary boys

 

Amd and others have speculated that Zen's IPC range will put it next to Intel's "Ivy Bridge" cores which are no slouch's. Let's speculate and try and estimate how fast Zen can Potentially be. 

 

Estimated Zen Cinebench R15 Numbers : 

 

3.5Ghz Zen 8c/16T - 1,416

3.5Ghz Zen 6c/12t - 1,062

3.5Ghz Zen 4c/8t - 710

 

Now off the bat those numbers are impressive. For comparison the 5960X pulls 1337 in R15, 5820K pulls 1025 and the 6700K pulls 919. Wondering what a Potential 8 core Skylake would score? An impressive 1,838 @ 4Ghz, 

 

Pricing.. Now this is where it gets Iffy. Intel is teasing a mainstream 8 core come 2017. IF intel gives us a 8700K that's an 8 core It should be in the 499-399 range. Amd could price the 8 core Zen at 399.99 and make a killing. 6 Core should be 299.99 and the Quad 199.99. The days of Cheap AMD are OVER. 

they wont perform as well as developers say, as they never do. while i think it will bring their cpus into a little light i dont think they will replace intel.

[Aytex]

they wont perform as well as developers say, as they never do. while i think it will bring their cpus into a little light i dont think they will replace intel.

Don't be a Debbie downer, we need lower prices