AMD Zen

[daniellearmouth]

I don't even understand what you're saying.

 

Then perhaps read it again slower this time.

 

I've made my point.

[Kobathor]

Then perhaps read it again slower this time.

 

I've made my point.

What is your point? That you're not gonna get a Zen CPU?

 

Cause guess who cares

 

nobody

 

Or that it's automatically the CPU's fault that your PSU couldn't handle it? It's 30W, that's less than a light bulb. If your PSU sucks that bad, that's not the CPU's fault. Again, nobody cares.

[daniellearmouth]

What is your point? That you're not gonna get a Zen CPU?

 

Cause guess who cares

 

nobody

 

Or that it's automatically the CPU's fault that your PSU couldn't handle it? It's 30W, that's less than a light bulb. If your PSU sucks that bad, that's not the CPU's fault. Again, nobody cares.

 

It technically is the fault of the CPU if you can't get a better overclock for less resources. Being a resource hog is never good.

 

Also, this is a 600W power supply. Account for the fact that I'm running a Crossfire setup as well.

 

Oh, and I didn't in any way suggest you had to care. If you don't care, I don't care. Mutual feelings.

And yes, I'm not getting Zen. I am not waiting any more time if I can avoid it, because Bulldozer - quite bluntly - is shit.

[Kobathor]

It technically is the fault of the CPU if you can't get a better overclock for less resources. Being a resource hog is never good.

 

Also, this is a 600W power supply. Account for the fact that I'm running a Crossfire setup as well.

 

Oh, and I didn't in any way suggest you had to care. If you don't care, I don't care. Mutual feelings.

And yes, I'm not getting Zen. I am not waiting any more time if I can avoid it, because Bulldozer - quite bluntly - is shit.

I'm pretty sure you couldn't OC any decent CPU on 600W with a CrossfireX setup.. That's dumb in the first place. Again, it's not the CPU's fault that your power supply doesn't put out enough wattage.

 

It's not a resource hog.. Again, 30W TDP difference, less than a 60W lightbulb.

[daniellearmouth]

I'm pretty sure you couldn't OC any decent CPU on 600W with a CrossfireX setup.. That's dumb in the first place. Again, it's not the CPU's fault that your power supply doesn't put out enough wattage.

 

It's not a resource hog.. Again, 30W TDP difference, less than a 60W lightbulb.

 

It's still a potentially large difference.

And bear in mind, as you overclock, the chip uses substantially more power. Overclocking only exacerbated the issue, ergo becoming even more of a resource hog.

 

Running a chip itself isn't difficult. Overclocking it and getting all the performance out of it, now THERE's the issue.

[looncraz]

How much do we know about Zen?

 

Allow me to illustrate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You see that? That's how much we know about Zen. We don't have any concrete information to draw from any leaks or anything of that nature. We just straight up don't know.

 

I mean, if it's better than Bulldozer by a country mile and actually competes with something like Kaby Lake, then excellent. They may be back in the running.

Until then, however, I'm not going to wait for them to release it, as I am in need of an upgrade ASAP.

 

We know quite a bit, actually, right from AMD, affiliates, or irrefutable sources (gcc patch).

 

1. Higher cache bandwidth, lower latency, smaller.

2. 10 pipelines, 4 decoders (all FastPath)

3. 4 ALU, 2 AGU, and an interesting FPU arrangement.

4. Targeting 95W max TDP.

5. 40% higher IPC over Excavator (~64% > Piledriver)

6. DDR4

7. Using Promontory chipset, not a SOC.

8. 256-bit wide FPU (4x64).

9. FinFet (probably 14nm LPP at GloFo)

10. Targeting "closer to 4ghz" clock speeds.

 

I'm sure I'm missing some.

 

All in, I'd be quite shocked if it didn't match Haswell (within 5-10% anyway)... I'd be much more shocked if it beat it by even 1%.

[LokiFire]

I actually love this users enthusiasm on overclock.net

 

FX is not better than Sandy, not even the i5, the i5 destroys it in gaming.

 

I mean not only did Sandy clock stupid high with ease, but it destroys FX and even i7's with no HT and only 4 cores at 5ghz.

 

These are also tasks that need more mem bandwidth and cores, so everything is against that 2500k haha.