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3-5 fps is huge, what are you saying. 

It's virtually nothing compared to the core clock gains.

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OCing the memory on my 290 from 1250 to 1575 (5000 to 6300 effective) gained several hundred points in 3Dmark firestrike (cracked 10k woo! :P ) but it was questionable in-game, gaining maybe 2-3fps max. It's just not worth pushing the Vram that much faster for such a minuscule performance gain. 

 

But again, we can't compare GDDR5 to HBM. It's not the same and doesn't work the same way. The bandwidth is so high, there may not be any gains from clocking it higher anyways. 

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It's virtually nothing compared to the core clock gains.

 

It's supposed be used in combination with core clock gains, as I stated previously. Do you play Witcher 3? Perfect example. If the game drops anywhere below 30 fps, the experience is seriously degraded. Literally even 29 fps. So by having 3-5 fps extra, you can make sure your minimums never drop below 30 fps. Most games are like that, by introducing memory overclocking as well as core overclocking you can increase your minimum framerates which is important for actual playing.

 

 

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First nVidia telling you what you can and can't do with products you buy, now AMD.

 

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well the ram is supposedly high speed to begin with.

 

I don't really see much of an issue

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It's virtually nothing compared to the core clock gains.

 

Yep. Going just +150mhz on the core of my 290 nets 5-10fps gain, depending on the game. +200 nets a 7-10fps gain, minimum. That's much more significant than an extra 2-3 fps gained by running the memory near it's limits.

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i asked this question on reddit and i couldnt find a good answer

 

how fast should memory be on a GPU to reach a point where you would see no increase in performance

is it pointless to overclock such fast memory would u even see 1 fps increase ?

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It's supposed be used in combination with core clock gains, as I stated previously. Do you play Witcher 3? Perfect example. If the game drops anywhere below 30 fps, the experience is seriously degraded. Literally even 29 fps. So by having 3-5 fps extra, you can make sure your minimums never drop below 30 fps. Most games are like that, by introducing memory overclocking as well as core overclocking you can increase your minimum framerates which is important for actual playing.

Yes, but that's just nitpicking. I'm talking about the big picture here.

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If it was Nvidia that was first releasing HBM, and they blocked overclocking the memory nobody would be bashing Nvidia. Just shows the amount of ignorance in this forum.

Were you around when the GTX 970 was uncovered as having segmented memory and fewer ROPs than advertised? Because it sounds like you weren't.

NVIDIA was attacked by fanboys from both sides, AMD will have the same done to them as they haven't given a solid explanation, and previously advertised the card as an overclocker's dream.

if you have to insist you think for yourself, i'm not going to believe you.

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Yes, but that's just nitpicking. I'm talking about the big picture here.

 

Nobody is nitpicking, people are downplaying the issue. Overclocking memory gives you free extra performance, plain and simple. 3-5 fps is 3-5 fps you didn't have before. That is the big picture here.

 

 

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@BiG StroOnZ 

 

Your "it's like the time with the laptop" analogy is so daft I'm not even going to begin. Sorry.

 

 

WaitWait wait wait...

You are imagining that people will come up with excuses for amd? On this forum?

Have you been living under a rock?

3,5gb fiasco was legions of people defending Nvidia, but if amd so much as farts they get Shit for it.

Either you haven't been paying attention or you live in opposite world.

Also funny how you want make it more unbalanced by promoting amd bashing even more. Pathetic attempt.

 

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Nobody is nitpicking, people are downplaying the issue. Overclocking memory gives you free extra performance, plain and simple. 3-5 fps is 3-5 fps you didn't have before. That is the big picture here.

Again, we have no idea how HBM behaves. 

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Your "it's like the time with the laptop" analogy is so daft I'm not even going to begin. Sorry.

 

That's because you are a hypocrite. 

 

 

Again, we have no idea how HBM behaves. 

 

That's why we should be given the ability to find out for ourselves. 

 

 

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It's probably going to be good no matter what anyway.

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So the "overclockers dream" is a big LIE! False advertisement. Shame on you AMD.

wouldnt be the first time we've seen false advertisement in the graphics industry in the last year or so

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OCing the memory on my 290 from 1250 to 1575 (5000 to 6300 effective) gained several hundred points in 3Dmark firestrike (cracked 10k woo! :P ) but it was questionable in-game, gaining maybe 2-3fps max. It's just not worth pushing the Vram that much faster for such a minuscule performance gain. 

 

But again, we can't compare GDDR5 to HBM. It's not the same and doesn't work the same way. The bandwidth is so high, there may not be any gains from clocking it higher anyways. 

Same here, OC'ing my 770's memory brought it up a bunch when testing with a few synthetic benchmarks ^_^

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That's because you are a hypocrite. 

 

Calling everyone else who has a different opinion than you ain't gonna help ya know....

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That's because you are a hypocrite. 

 

 

 

That's why we should be given the ability to find out for ourselves. 

 

 

 

Being a hypocrite would imply I had an agenda. I have never owned an AMD product in my entire life, even if I'm going to now.

 

You're grasping at straws because you're a fanboy.

 

The laptop you're talking about doesn't have a 500mhz base line. It will take time to teach users to respect the fickle nature of HBM and the finesse of overclocking it subtly enough.

 

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Calling everyone else who has a different opinion than you ain't gonna help ya know....

 

Anyone who denies that this is no different than NVIDIA locking down overclocking on laptops is clearly a hypocrite, because the issues are one in the same. It's still locking down or disabling features that shouldn't be locked down.

 

 

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1381504-community-standards/

 

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inb4 needed drivers are stable for OC.

P.s I want to see non-OCed benchmark against TitanX and 980Ti

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Being a hypocrite would imply I had an agenda. I have never owned an AMD product in my entire life, even if I'm going to now.

 

You're grasping at straws because you're a fanboy.

 

The laptop you're talking about doesn't have a 500mhz base line. It will take time to teach users to respect the fickle nature of HBM and the finesse of overclocking it subtly enough.

 

But I already responded way more than you deserve.

 

You clearly do have an agenda, because you quoted me to see your post and made a snide comment about my opinion. Therefore, you like everyone else has an agenda and you aren't excused from that. But nice try.

 

I'm a fanboy? Go look at the thread where they said Fury X would be limited to 30,000 units. I was the first person to reply with facts that debunked the article entirely.

 

People can learn this for themselves, they don't need a company to tell them they flat out cant.

 

 

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That's why we should be given the ability to find out for ourselves. 

lol, do you live in a fantasy world or something?

No company in their right mind would do that, knowing it could very well backfire.

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Anyone who denies that this is no different than NVIDIA locking down overclocking on laptops is clearly a hypocrite

 

GDDR5 has been around for a decade. It's a thoroughly documented technology with not a single surprise left in store.

 

This is the first ever consumer product with HBM. We can't say for sure we know just how it'll respond to Dick and Jane on a huge scale (compared to engineer testing) overclocking it.

 

Edit: given your previous post above I'll just add you to ignore now. Jesus backflipping christ, these past few days that list grew a tall tower.

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lol, do you live in a fantasy world or something?

No company in their right mind would do that, knowing it could very well backfire.

 

Sounds like you are making excuses. 

 

GDDR5 has been around for a decade. It's a thoroughly documented technology with not a single surprise left in store.

 

This is the first ever consumer product with HBM. We can't say for sure we know just how it'll respond to Dick and Jane on a huge scale (compared to engineer testing) overclocking it.

 

Edit: given your previous post above I'll just add you to ignore now.

 

More excuses. GDDR5 was new at one time too.

 

Yeah you put me on ignore because I called you out on your bullshit. 

 

 

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