AMD Blocks/Disables Overclocking the Memory for the Radeon R9 Fury X

[79 Potatoes]

I agree with AMD here 100%.

 

You can't have your customers overclocking something if it is unstable will most likely harm the component and then have the customer tell you the card is broken and demand a refund or exchange. Same goes for the NVIDIA laptop situation.

Sorry sir... but are you on drugs?

How is it going to be unstable? it's only stacked DRAM running at mere 500 MHz, why would you care if I want to overclock even if it's only 7 MHz?

If someone is overclocking, is assuming the risks and it's always been like that.

Also for the laptop thing.

 

If someone really wants to overclock it (not counting stupid dudes that only OC because they like the word) will get a way to overclock it (Other software, Custom BIOS, Pinmods,...)... Still not a reason to lock it, it makes everything worse.

 

 

If you're going to answer me with the typical "for consumer safety" BS then first why the fuck that consumer is looking in advanced settings?

 

Serous question, how much of a performance gain can you can by only OCing the memory?

Raw calculation

As it's a 4096 bit bus and still DDR DRAM:

1 MHz (on base clock)*2 (DDR)*4096 bit (bus)= 8192 Mbit/s = 1 GB/s

So 1 GB/s per extra MHz in the base clock

[Guest]

Well..alrighty then.

Okay...

[Facety]

Hmmm, its a new memory type....maybe you can't overclock the memory directly, maybe you would have to overclock the imposer :unsure: , just a guess.

 

*interposer

[M156]

If we are going to crucify Nvidia for not allowing mobile overclocking (especially on MXM equipped laptops that have beefy cooling) then I fully expect people to also bitch out AMD for not allowing ENTHUSIASTS to overclock their HBM. 

 

The Fury is a enthusiast card, no? Did I miss the memo where AMD is afraid of what ENTHUSIASTS will do to their ENTHUSIAST card? Hmm, why call it that anyways if you're gonna block off parts of the playground because "you think its good enough". 

 

People here say we bitch at AMD for no reason. Well...if AMD stopped making boneheaded choices like this (and Nvidia to boot), we'd stop making fun of them for it. Ironically the AMD guys knee-jerk their "oh look people will now insult AMD" speeches for no reason. Stop being so melodramatic and stop making a mountain out of molehill. AMD is being silly, they'll get called out for silliness. Don't like people doing that? Stop being so invested in what GPU you own. 

[mvitkun]

Really depends on the application what engine, take the unigine Valley benchmark for instance, it gains massively higher scores from overclocking memory, but games seem to benefit quite a bit less.

This could change with Fiji and HBM.

[Misanthrope]

Very intel-like move. Not sure if positive or negative honestly (probably a bit of both) but I am sure this is something I would expect from Intel, not AMD

[imthewalrus]

If AMD, the company who makes all of their processors unlocked, releases a product that has no overclocking, it is probably for a good reason. Most likely to avoid a multitude of people from damaging their GPU and complaining that they did not get a refund and stop 14 year old kids from whining. 

[mr moose]

Personally I think if Nvidia feel they have a good enough reason to lock OC'ing on laptops then I feel AMD probably have legit reasons too.  You can't assume you know why a company does something just because you disagree with it.  Which seems to be what everyone is doing recently.  That and bitch about all the supposed AMD hate, I have said it before and I'll say it again; if you think this forum is biased against AMD then spend a day reading the GPU and build recommendations.   If you take out the obvious recommendations by people who don't know what they are talking about it's pretty even stephens.    

[Guest]

Stop being so invested in what GPU you own.

If you truly believed this then you or other people wouldn't be making fun of amd or Nvidia in the first place and just go with the flow.

So the same thing could be said for all bashers about being so melodramatic and being so invested in a brand

[Cookie Monster]

It's a new technology and AMD probably haven't worked out the oc tolerances yet.

[Me1z]

At first I kinda brushed it off because I don't normally overclock my vram anyway, but you know what? Screw this. I don't give a damn if it's a new technology, there's no reason to protect enthusiasts from themselves. If I want to push my vram and end up killing the thing, I absolutely should have the ability to. There is NEVER an acceptable reason to REMOVE functionality from a device that could function normally otherwise. My opinion on this topic is the same as when Nvidia removed the ability to overclock mobile GPUs. If I want to nuke my laptop, I should have the ability to. If I want to blow up my GPU, I should have the ability to. If I want to have a dedicated PhysX GPU in my AMD rig, I should have the ability to. If I want to disable windows updates, I should have the ability to. If I want to run F@H on my PS3, then I should have the ability to! I am getting so sick and tired of manufacturers removing functionality from our devices that would have required literally no effort to leave alone. This is garbage, #OverclockHBMorRiot

[M156]

If you truly believed this then you or other people wouldn't be making fun of amd or Nvidia in the first place and just go with the flow.

So the same thing could be said for all bashers about being so melodramatic and being so invested in a brand

That is a poor way of trying to invalidate my argument, don't do it again. Your second paragraph is textbook fail for disarming someone's point.

Who says I bash anyone? I'm not exactly 12 anymore. I buy what makes sense. Back then it was a 6770. Then 660s. Then splurging on 780s. Now I'm swayed by Fury. I don't really care.

All this deflection and "woe is me, look at how they attack my brand" posturing is kinda sad for a place like this.

[Agent181]

probably to stop people from killing their cards but there is always a way around it

[niofalpha]

Well yes.

But the hordes defending them were much larger.

The 970 is still a good card, but just saying, they have their fanboys rooted Deep in this forum.

And AMD has no herds of Fanboys? May I direct you to any thread mentioning gameworks?

Both companies have massive fanboys, trying to justify every bone headed choice their company makes.

[Guest]

That is a poor way of trying to invalidate my argument, don't do it again. Your second paragraph is textbook fail for disarming someone's point.

Who says I bash anyone? I'm not exactly 12 anymore. I buy what makes sense. Back then it was a 6770. Then 660s. Then splurging on 780s. Now I'm swayed by Fury. I don't really care.

All this deflection and "woe is me, look at how they attack my brand" posturing is kinda sad for a place like this.

It's not a poor way at all, I am pointing out the exact same behaviours about the bashers.

Also 'don't do it again'? What are you, a drill sergeant?

It is the exact same flaw that you blame the people who defend brands have.

That you choose to label it as untrue doesn't make it less true, not in the least. You can write it off as deflecting but it is the same behaviour being displayed: being melodramatic about a brand, but instead of defending them, bashing them. I

[Guest]

And AMD has no herds of Fanboys? May I direct you to any thread mentioning gameworks?

Both companies have massive fanboys, trying to justify every bone headed choice their company makes.

Ah okay, well I didn't follow those threads because I wasn't interested in Witcher 3.

Well now I know.

[BiG StroOnZ]

This thread is quickly becoming hilarious, most people are agreeing that partly locking down overclocking on a watercooled flagship desktop card which was presented to us and advertised as some overclockers dream is perfectly okay.

 

You people are such hypocrites.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

If we are going to crucify Nvidia for not allowing mobile overclocking (especially on MXM equipped laptops that have beefy cooling) then I fully expect people to also bitch out AMD for not allowing ENTHUSIASTS to overclock their HBM. 

 

The Fury is a enthusiast card, no? Did I miss the memo where AMD is afraid of what ENTHUSIASTS will do to their ENTHUSIAST card? Hmm, why call it that anyways if you're gonna block off parts of the playground because "you think its good enough". 

 

People here say we bitch at AMD for no reason. Well...if AMD stopped making boneheaded choices like this (and Nvidia to boot), we'd stop making fun of them for it. Ironically the AMD guys knee-jerk their "oh look people will now insult AMD" speeches for no reason. Stop being so melodramatic and stop making a mountain out of molehill. AMD is being silly, they'll get called out for silliness. Don't like people doing that? Stop being so invested in what GPU you own. 

 

This is different actually. Nvidia completely lock overclocking on laptops. The Fury still get to overclock it's core.

 

I'm still contemplating on whether or not I want bitch at AMD for this... but I'll wait till AMD gives a statement about this...

[Guest Kloaked]

If they said this in advertising for this then yeah it is false advertisement.

 

Sup Devil.

[Imakuni]

Bro, people only got mad because Nvidia disabled the core speed overclock. AMD didn't.

[Biggerisbetter]

 

This thread is quickly becoming hilarious, most people are agreeing that partly locking down overclocking on a watercooled flagship desktop card which was presented to us and advertised as some overclockers dream is perfectly okay.

 

You people are such hypocrites.

 

Sorry to call people hypocrites you must first provide proof. So far you have not provided such proof.

[Guest]

This thread is quickly becoming hilarious, most people are agreeing that partly locking down overclocking on a watercooled flagship desktop card which was presented to us and advertised as some overclockers dream is perfectly okay.

 

You people are such hypocrites.

- New technology being implemented for the first time

- not disabling OCing of the core clock, only the memory

2 huge differences you seem to overlook that alter the situations considerably.

[imthewalrus]

If it was Nvidia that was first releasing HBM, and they blocked overclocking the memory nobody would be bashing Nvidia. Just shows the amount of ignorance in this forum. 

[BiG StroOnZ]

 

Sorry to call people hypocrites you must first provide proof. So far you have not provided such proof.

 

Read the thread, majority says this is okay, sounds quite hypocritical to me.

 

- New technology being implemented for the first time
- not disabling OCing of the core clock, only the memory

2 huge differences you seem to overlook that alter the situations considerably.

 

- So what? 

- What is your point? 

 

There is nothing being overlooked. Disabling a feature is disabling a feature.

[niofalpha]

 

This thread is quickly becoming hilarious, most people are agreeing that partly locking down overclocking on a watercooled flagship desktop card which was presented to us and advertised as some overclockers dream is perfectly okay.

 

You people are such hypocrites.

 

Yeah... I'm not even gonna try mentioning it because I don't want my notifications spamming me as a "NVIDIA FANBOY"...  This forum's full of AMD fanboy's bitching about how everyone's an Nvidia fanboy. And that everything Nvidia does is evil, while AMD does something arguably worse (albeit they PROBABLY have a good reason for locking it).

 

If it was Nvidia that was first releasing HBM, and they blocked overclocking the memory nobody would be bashing Nvidia. Just shows the amount of ignorance in this forum. 

And yes, they would be. The AMD Fandroids would. Do you see how much Nvidia get's bashed when anyone mentions anything about them doing anything remotely wrong? Like the 90m series being locked? Or anything involving Gameworks?

Saying 1 side has more fanboys than the other is just stupid.