Anyone else disappointed with R9 300/Fury lineup?

[Hieb]

The new cards are awesome, but there are a few things really eating away at me

 

1) They screwed their own naming scheme by trying to go all fancy with "Fury" branding

2) The R7 370 is still using Pitcairn from 2012... and doesn't support all the latest things like FreeSync and TrueAudio

 

I really wish the lineup was something like this:

 

R9 390X - Fiji XT/Fury X - $550

R9 390 - Fiji Pro/Fury - $400-450

R9 380X - R9 290 / 290X 4GB/8GB - $275-300

R9 380 - R9 M295X 3GB/6GB (Tonga XT) - $260-275

R9 370X - R9 285 4GB - $220

R9 370 - R9 285 2GB - $175

R7 360 - R7 260X 2GB - $125

R7 350X - R7 260 2GB - $100

 

Having the 390 and 390X basically just being 290 and 290X with extra VRAM is really disappointing. It's supposedly a new generation, they should be a tier lower. Releasing a whole new generation of cards where the only actual NEW cards aren't part of the numbering system is really lame, IMO.

[Imabigmac]

Well there are the annoying things to do with the names and product line I agree with you, but they could hopefully clear some of that up with BENCHMARKS! 

And as for the first bit, we knew this was going to be the case for awhile.

 

 

And for all those who didn't believe WCCFTECH.....

[AnnoyedShelf]

The new cards are awesome, but there are a few things really eating away at me

 

1) They screwed their own naming scheme by trying to go all fancy with "Fury" branding

2) The R7 370 is still using Pitcairn from 2012... and doesn't support all the latest things like FreeSync and TrueAudio

 

I really wish the lineup was something like this:

 

R9 390X - Fiji XT/Fury X - $550

R9 390 - Fiji Pro/Fury - $400-450

R9 380X - R9 290 / 290X 4GB/8GB - $275-300

R9 380 - R9 M295X 3GB/6GB (Tonga XT) - $260-275

R9 370X - R9 285 4GB - $220

R9 370 - R9 285 2GB - $175

R7 360 - R7 260X 2GB - $125

R7 350X - R7 260 2GB - $100

 

Having the 390 and 390X basically just being 290 and 290X with extra VRAM is really disappointing. It's supposedly a new generation, they should be a tier lower. Releasing a whole new generation of cards where the only actual NEW cards aren't part of the numbering system is really lame, IMO.

It's disappointing, but AMD doesn't have the budget to develop 5 new chips every year like Nvidia does, as they have a rather small market share.  I was really hoping they'd have a bit more new stuff to show us as I'm a bit of a fanboy myself, but it looks like I'm either getting a 980Ti or a Fury X if I build a new rig this year.

[DarkBlade2117]

Isn't the only difference between the fury and fury x is ones water cooler and one is aircooled? If so the Fury being $450 if it can get close to the 980Tis performance will keep AMD running a for another year. Even If it just exceeds the 980 being priced at $450 it'll be decent.

[Imabigmac]

Isn't the only difference between the fury and fury x is ones water cooler and one is aircooled? If so the Fury being $450 if it can get close to the 980Tis performance will keep AMD running a for another year. Even If it just exceeds the 980 being priced at $450 it'll be decent.

I thought the air cooled Fury was $550 USD? But even then its a heck of a deal if you don't have any gripe with AMD and they make semi decent partner cards with custom cooling. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

The new cards are awesome, but there are a few things really eating away at me

 

1) They screwed their own naming scheme by trying to go all fancy with "Fury" branding

2) The R7 370 is still using Pitcairn from 2012... and doesn't support all the latest things like FreeSync and TrueAudio

 

I really wish the lineup was something like this:

 

R9 390X - Fiji XT/Fury X - $550

R9 390 - Fiji Pro/Fury - $400-450

R9 380X - R9 290 / 290X 4GB/8GB - $275-300

R9 380 - R9 M295X 3GB/6GB (Tonga XT) - $260-275

R9 370X - R9 285 4GB - $220

R9 370 - R9 285 2GB - $175

R7 360 - R7 260X 2GB - $125

R7 350X - R7 260 2GB - $100

 

Having the 390 and 390X basically just being 290 and 290X with extra VRAM is really disappointing. It's supposedly a new generation, they should be a tier lower. Releasing a whole new generation of cards where the only actual NEW cards aren't part of the numbering system is really lame, IMO.

 

The 300 series looks like shit, but who is going to be able to afford a FreeSync monitor and only pair it with an HD 7870 = R9 270 = R7 370? So the 7870 not having FreeSync support isn't a real strike against it, it's a budget card now. The Fiji cards look awesome though. The 390 series being 290 series with extra pretty much useless VRAM and big price increases is especially lame though. It's funny how Lisa Su distanced herself from the whole 300 series in the presentation, like don't blame that fuck up on me.

[Imabigmac]

Mostly I'm disappointed with the top end stuff. It all just seems like brute force tactics to keep up with Nvidia rather than improving the architecture and so forth enough. But they don't have the same revenue so it's understandable, just disappointing.  If it get's the job done though for some people.

I'am surprised by such a fact, the top end stuff is the best stuff IMO. Whether you think of as a step forward in Video card evolution with HBM and form factor. Or whether you want what is claimed to be titan X performance for much less. Finally if you are a Nvidia fan and want the prices to go down a little. I don't think there is a reason to be disappointed. 

[-rascal-]

Well...

• FuryX
• Fury
• R9-Nano
• [stuff / rebrand]
• Tonga(XT)
• [stuff / rebrand]

I consider "Tonga" similar to NVidia's GTX 750 Ti using their "Maxwell" architecture; a working "prototype." It was launched well after the R-200 series had matured. The R9-285 was the only card that used GCN 1.2 with:

• Data / Colour compression
• New instruction set(s)
• More efficient Asynchronous scheduling (though the R9-290(X) and the R9-285 had them)

[DarkBlade2117]

I thought the air cooled Fury was $550 USD? But even then its a heck of a deal if you don't have any gripe with AMD and they make semi decent partner cards with custom cooling.

hmm maybe? Even then if it can compete with the upper end 980s or get close to a 980ti it'll keep AMD alive. Those Fury Nano or whatever they are called might be a new era for PC gsming if they can pack a punch for those cube builds people like to do.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Nvidia was already working on Pascal long before this was announced so bringing hbm really isn't impressing me. There is no emotion to describe this launch other than disappointing. One new card. Not even a half effort to revitalize the older cards either. Terrible pricing outside of the fury and trying to figure out how that one actually will preform is annoying.

I mean yay technology is being implemented! Too bad amd has no chance in hell of every regaining the market share they lost over the past 18 months now. Yay for monopoly... Sigh.

[Imabigmac]

hmm maybe? Even then if it can compete with the upper end 980s or get close to a 980ti it'll keep AMD alive. Those Fury Nano or whatever they are called might be a new era for PC gsming if they can pack a punch for those cube builds people like to do.

I doubt the cubs will get anywhere, but for ITX builds it could be a really nice card to have. I think all they have to do is compete with the 970 and they would be better off. The 970 is the most popular of the Nvidia 9xx series all things considered, so at  least they did go the extra mile and do the "high end" models

[CoolaxGaming]

OK, I have said it a loss of times and I will say it again...

Is AMD having trouble competing with nvidia for price to performance in any of their cards? Hmm?

THEN THEY CAN REBRAND AS MUCH AS THEY FUCKING WANT.

[Albatross]

I'm glad I got the cheaper version of their new cards. I mean the new features are nice and all but for a new series of cards I expected a lot more.

 

Hopefully next time around they get their shit together.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Btw before anyone talks about the supposedly amazing compute performance of the fury. The 290x has 5.6 Tflop sp compared to 3.4 and 4.6 for the 970 and 980 respectively. Aka between 121-165% compute power required to meet similar in game performance. The compute power of the fury x is only ~40% more than the 980 ti putting it on track to be similar to "hopefully" in performance.

This is amd ghz all over again. Extremely inefficient architectures. (On a relative basis).

[NVIDIAFANBOYEXTREME]

Taking bets on when Nvidia will announce a 970ti or drop the price of the 970 to counter the nano.

[NVIDIAFANBOYEXTREME]

AMD should not have re branded the haul line up re branding one card like Nvidia did with the 770 and 680 was a smart re brand that made sense this is stupid.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Taking bets on when Nvidia will announce a 970ti or drop the price of the 970 to counter the nano.

Lol at this point nvidia literally doesn't need to do anything but keep on pace with Pascal to obliterate amd from the map. I mean it's a really sad time.

[Curufinwe_wins]

OK, I have said it a loss of times and I will say it again...

Is AMD having trouble competing with nvidia for price to performance in any of their cards? Hmm?

THEN THEY CAN REBRAND AS MUCH AS THEY FUCKING WANT.

The entire 300 series is uncompetitive from a price perspective. With its predecessor no less. How is that going to sell cards?

[NVIDIAFANBOYEXTREME]

Lol at this point nvidia literally doesn't need to do anything but keep on pace with Pascal to obliterate amd from the map. I mean it's a really sad time.

I know it sucks for everyone because Nvidia has no competition to keep pushing and prices will rise with lower performance gains from the last generation.

[Curufinwe_wins]

I know it sucks for everyone because Nvidia has no competition to keep pushing and prices will rise with lower performance gains from the last generation.

Remember also that nvidia's gross profit margin is something like 56% compared to amd's 37% so if nvidia really have two shits it could squash prices in an instant.

[CoolaxGaming]

The entire 300 series is uncompetitive from a price perspective. With its predecessor no less. How is that going to sell cards?

Not everyone is an experienced techie.

If you are an average Joe and you see -

390x -8gb - 409 - 1500mem

290x -4gb -309 - 1250mem

U will be the 300

[Hieb]

It's disappointing, but AMD doesn't have the budget to develop 5 new chips every year like Nvidia does, as they have a rather small market share.  I was really hoping they'd have a bit more new stuff to show us as I'm a bit of a fanboy myself, but it looks like I'm either getting a 980Ti or a Fury X if I build a new rig this year.

 

I understand AMD can't afford to flesh out an entire new lineup of GPUs right now, but it would have at least been nice of they incorporated the new GPUs that they did make into the "new" generation. It's really disappointing that the R9 390X is just an R9 290X.

 

I mean it would have been nice if at the very least they had the ultimate flagship separate but still had one or two Fiji GPUs incorporated into the 300 lineup.

 

Maybe:

 

"R9 Fury" - Fiji XT

R9 390X - Fiji Pro

R9 390 - R9 290X

R9 380X - R9 290

R9 380 - R9 M295X (Tonga XT)

R9 370X - R9 285 4GB

R9 370 - R9 285 2GB

 

Still only 2 new GPUs, but a new generation of x00 cards that's actually a significant step ahead of the previous one. 290X -> 390X is a joke imo

 

The 300 series looks like shit, but who is going to be able to afford a FreeSync monitor and only pair it with an HD 7870 = R9 270 = R7 370? So the 7870 not having FreeSync support isn't a real strike against it, it's a budget card now. The Fiji cards look awesome though. The 390 series being 290 series with extra pretty much useless VRAM and big price increases is especially lame though. It's funny how Lisa Su distanced herself from the whole 300 series in the presentation, like don't blame that fuck up on me.

 

Good point.

[Hieb]

Taking bets on when Nvidia will announce a 970ti or drop the price of the 970 to counter the nano.

 

It probably won't. The GTX 970 is competing with the R9 290/290X/390/390X which consume significantly more power (and produce more heat, and run louder)... so it has room to have a price premium, especially considering that so many people just inherently think that Nvidia is miles better than AMD in every regard (most of my friends who have a novice understanding of computer stuff think AMD makes really poor quality parts and whatnot).

 

The only spot where Nvidia is really missing something is between the $200 GTX 960 2GB 128-bit and $350 GTX 970 4GB 256-bit... they really need a GTX 960 Ti 3GB 192-bit card at around $250.

 

OK, I have said it a loss of times and I will say it again...

Is AMD having trouble competing with nvidia for price to performance in any of their cards? Hmm?

THEN THEY CAN REBRAND AS MUCH AS THEY FUCKING WANT.

 

IDK, in the past year or so Nvidia has improved their price to performance ratio a lot. Maxwell is relatively inexpensive to manufacture, so Nvidia at this point has pretty decent price to performance, since they can make healthy profit margins without charging as big of premiums as they did with Kepler.

 

The only spots where AMD really appears to offer the better value is the R9 270/270X and R9 280X because Nvidia has nothing to answer for them at the price brackets. The R9 270 is basically all alone in the $150-200 bracket, and the R9 280X by itself in the $250ish bracket. All other brackets the price to performance between the two is about the same, with Nvidia offering better value in the $300-350 range at the moment in my opinion (GTX 970 mostly outperforms R9 290/290X at 1080P while drawing much less power)

[EnzoMP]

I really hope that AMD prices will be the same in both america and europe.

That would meke furys more tempting here in europe, and then maybe Nvidia will lower the price on 980ti in europe to keep his market share safe...

[itachipirate]

Don't be disappointed, they aren't out yet officially. And don't even act like Nvidia has never rebranded a card