Project CARS devs address AMD performance issues, AMD drivers to blame entirely, PhysX runs on CPU only, no GPU involvement whatsoever.

[mr moose]

that's no football, that's american soccer, real football involves a real ball played by foot. 

real footballers don't use a round ball either, they kick with an egg shaped one which is harder to mark, bounce and predict.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

real footballers don't use a round ball either, they kick with an egg shaped one which is harder to mark, bounce and predict.

both takes skill no doubt, i'm just saying american soccer shouldn't be called football, just doesn't make sense how egg shaped soccer they hold can he called a ball.  and there's more wrestling, going on rather than actually playing with foot.

[Victorious Secret]

Like it was said before, it isn't Nvidias problem that AMD can't find two pennies to rub together to take their driver optimization seriously.

Why should Nvidia open up proprietary tech? You guys think open source actually propels the industry forward? It stagnates it, if anything.

Why should Nvidia be forced to give handouts to the worlds worst #2? AMD is literally shittier than Pepsi is to Coke, and Coke hasn't crushed Pepsi to death simply because they'd rather avoid being labeled a monopoly. Not because they actually challenge them in any meaningful way.

AMD should perhaps follow Nvidias lead, stop making shitty commercials and stupid advertising, and put the money towards engineers who can do some good.

[patrick3027]

Didn't bother reading the last 46 pages but I found this 'review' prettty interesting:

http://pretendracecars.net/2015/05/06/the-community-assisted-review-of-project-cars/

It isn't 100% objective but it shows that this game was massively overhyped due to the fact it was a Kickstarter project.

[zappian]

Didn't bother reading the last 46 pages but I found this 'review' prettty interesting:

http://pretendracecars.net/2015/05/06/the-community-assisted-review-of-project-cars/

It isn't 100% objective but it shows that this game was massively overhyped due to the fact it was a Kickstarter project.

 

This is pretty hilarious:

 

[Notional]

What strikes me the most is Freesync/Gsync . I used to switch between NV/AMD - now I'll have to be stuck with one team until I'll buy new monitor.

 

Welcome to the world of vendor lock in, thanks to closed proprietary technology (Adaptive Sync is free for NVidia to adopt).

 

Wasn't it posted a few weeks back that the driver makers have to fix all the crap devs do?

 

It was an NVidia employee, so pretty good source. If this crap continues,, gfx drivers will be 1GB in a few years.

 

See? AMD is too damn stubborn for their own good. People who blindly support a company that does things this stupid are idiots. It was their own fault for their failure to release a true successor to the Phenom II's, and its their own damn fault for not having PhysX and CUDA. 

 

Yeah what kind of idiot would support a company, that uses close proprietary, anti competitive tech, to force vendor lock in, thus lowering options, and raising prices. What idiots.

There is no reason for AMD to buy into CUDA, when OpenCL is slowly taking over. Notice how no one bought NVidia for the crypto currency mining frenzy?

 

Why do they wear helmets and should pads?

 

It's silly American Handegg. The game, which purpose, literally is to give the opponent permanent braindamage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy

[VanayadGaming]

Relevant to this subject: 

[zMeul]

both takes skill no doubt, i'm just saying american soccer shouldn't be called football, just doesn't make sense how egg shaped soccer they hold can he called a ball.  and there's more wrestling, going on rather than actually playing with foot.

it's american rugby

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

it's american rugby

they still call it football for some reason 

[cesrai]

they still call it football for some reason

And they call real football soccer.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

And they call real football soccer.

no one's talking about soccer or football.

[zMeul]

And they call real football soccer.

only brits and americans call it soccer, we, the rest of the world, call it football

[cesrai]

only brits and americans call it soccer, we, the rest of the world, call it football

Brits call it Football as far as I've seen.

[cesrai]

no one's talking about soccer or football.

It was just a note I wanted to leave.

[patrickjp93]

If everyone follows that suggestion/advice NVIDIA will have a monopoly and they will be able to do whatever they want pricing wise.

If 100% of the çonsumer stopped buying AMD gpus and bought nvidia ones.

I dont think thats healthy , either AMD or another çompany like possibly intel in the future needs to present some competition.

Intel could if AMD would license its fundamental patents which it (ATI) and Nvidia have used for decades to keep other competition from cropping up. AMD either needs to buy the CUDA license, let Intel onto the field, or just go under and let the FTC force Intel to give an x86 license to someone.

[patrickjp93]

Welcome to the world of vendor lock in, thanks to closed proprietary technology (Adaptive Sync is free for NVidia to adopt).

It was an NVidia employee, so pretty good source. If this crap continues,, gfx drivers will be 1GB in a few years.

Yeah what kind of idiot would support a company, that uses close proprietary, anti competitive tech, to force vendor lock in, thus lowering options, and raising prices. What idiots.

There is no reason for AMD to buy into CUDA, when OpenCL is slowly taking over. Notice how no one bought NVidia for the crypto currency mining frenzy?

It's silly American Handegg. The game, which purpose, literally is to give the opponent permanent braindamage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy

OpenCL is not taking over. When Intel bought a CUDA license and made their iGPUs andXeon Phi compliant, that pretty much sealed OpenCL's fate. Why switch when the performance isn't as good on AMD accelerators and you'd have to rewrite the entire library? Intel is helping rewrite a lot of HPC algorithms for OpenMP and OpenACC, both platforms which Intel, IBM, and Nvidia readily support. AMD is just making stupid, stubborn decisions which give consumers less choice and gives AMD a lower bottom line.

[Victorious Secret]

OpenCL is not taking over. When Intel bought a CUDA license and made their iGPUs andXeon Phi compliant, that pretty much sealed OpenCL's fate. Why switch when the performance isn't as good on AMD accelerators and you'd have to rewrite the entire library? Intel is helping rewrite a lot of HPC algorithms for OpenMP and OpenACC, both platforms which Intel, IBM, and Nvidia readily support. AMD is just making stupid, stubborn decisions which give consumers less choice and gives AMD a lower bottom line.

 

Yea, I couldn't believe his nonsense of having no reason to buy into CUDA. OpenCL is being left behind, everyone else seemingly got the memo. 

 

[Dabombinable]

Welcome to the world of vendor lock in, thanks to closed proprietary technology (Adaptive Sync is free for NVidia to adopt).

 

 

It was an NVidia employee, so pretty good source. If this crap continues,, gfx drivers will be 1GB in a few years.

 

 

Yeah what kind of idiot would support a company, that uses close proprietary, anti competitive tech, to force vendor lock in, thus lowering options, and raising prices. What idiots.

There is no reason for AMD to buy into CUDA, when OpenCL is slowly taking over. Notice how no one bought NVidia for the crypto currency mining frenzy?

 

 

It's silly American Handegg. The game, which purpose, literally is to give the opponent permanent braindamage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy

Idiocy is supporting a company that doesn't appear to give 2 shits about its future and refuses to use anything that will help it significantly.

[Notional]

Idiocy is supporting a company that doesn't appear to give 2 shits about its future and refuses to use anything that will help it significantly.

 

And what company might that be? Surely you're not talking about the company, bringing the next gen Vram, aka. HBM to market, or is the main driver behind, the next gens (yes plural) of graphics API's, in DX12 and to a very large extent, Vulkan, along with the first physics hair ever in TressFX?

[Dabombinable]

And what company might that be? Surely you're not talking about the company, bringing the next gen Vram, aka. HBM to market, or is the main driver behind, the next gens (yes plural) of graphics API's, in DX12 and to a very large extent, Vulkan, along with the first physics hair ever in TressFX?

Yes I'm talking about AMD, Nvidia tried to help AMD several times by giving them CUDA for free, thus allowing AMD to run Nvidia features on their card which would have lead to more direct competition. And don't forget that Intel is licensed to use CUDA as well, which would really help their iGPU. And PhysX allows significantly better hair effects then "TressFX', Microsoft has been working on DX 12 for years-AMD didn't push them to do anything, and honestly you don't know about the high CPU overhead with AMD's current graphics drivers do you? Because Mantle was only a way for AMD to cover their ass and make people think that their API was good, when in reality it was barely better than Nvidia's DirectX 11.

[Nineshadow]

Yes I'm talking about AMD, Nvidia tried to help AMD several times by giving them CUDA for free, thus allowing AMD to run Nvidia features on their card which would have lead to more direct competition. And don't forget that Intel is licensed to use CUDA as well, which would really help their iGPU. And PhysX allows significantly better hair effects then "TressFX', Microsoft has been working on DX 12 for years-AMD didn't push them to do anything, and honestly you don't know about the high CPU overhead with AMD's current graphics drivers do you? Because Mantle was only a way for AMD to cover their ass and make people think that their API was good, when in reality it was barely better than Nvidia's DirectX 11.

And Freesync was just a way to kick back at Nvidia.

 

Seriously, company A releases a product with a brand new idea, and a few months later, their competitor releases a product that does almost the same thing and adds "Free" into its name(even though it's not free). That's just...wrong.

 

And they didn't really do anything either. They just built a way for their GPUs to communicate with a part of the monitor which can offer adaptive sync, a feature which has been built in into eDP for quite some time now. Then they just pushed that adaptive sync to become a VESA standard for all monitors, which it did, but it became just an optional standard.

[Casperian]

 

...along with the first physics hair ever in TressFX?

NVidia had a hair demo back with Fermi. TressFX was the first implemented in a triple-A game though.

[Casperian]

And Freesync was just a way to kick back at Nvidia.

 

Seriously, company A releases a product with a brand new idea, and a few months later, they competitor releases a product that does almost the same thing and adds "Free" into its name(even though it's not free). That's just...wrong.

They also blur the line between open-source and open-standard a fair bit too, neither company is perfect.

[Dabombinable]

And Freesync was just a way to kick back at Nvidia.

 

Seriously, company A releases a product with a brand new idea, and a few months later, they competitor releases a product that does almost the same thing and adds "Free" into its name(even though it's not free). That's just...wrong.

And Nvidia was trying to actually help them, and instill more competition , since AMD graphics cards would have been able to have the same features as Nvidia cards, then performance becomes the main focus again and AMD would actually need to compete more rigorously. (Repeating myself, but people don't always read whole posts).

[Nineshadow]

They also blur the line between open-source and open-standard a fair bit too, neither company is perfect.

Yeah, when they were asked why they called it free it was because it was "free of borders, free for devs,etc; Freesync is open-source"

 

Who the heck calls open-source projects "Free" and not "Open"?