LGBT community

[Nowak]

1 minute ago, poochyena said:

I don't feel pride or shame towards any part of my self.

Well do you identify as straight?

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Just now, poochyena said:

I don't feel pride or shame towards any part of my self...

 

 

Assuming you are straight, you have no reason to be. Your parents didn't put you down for being LGBT, you never had to hide your sexual/gender identity to avoid verbal and physical abuse, to be able to get and keep jobs, to get housing, to be served in restaurants, or be allowed to use hotels/motel rooms, etc.

[poochyena]

2 minutes ago, Nowak said:

Well do you identify as straight?

not really. I don't identify as anything tbh. sexuality is too complex for rigid labels. I'd put myself around 1 or 2 on the kinsey scale though I guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

[Drak3]

15 minutes ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

but that right stops at the point it infringes on the rights of others

It doesn't.

 

15 minutes ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

When it comes to what Governments have been, and still are, doing to discriminate against LGBTs, you are completely clueless.

The US government not submitting to your world view is not oppression.

The government blocking a group of people with a mental disorder and high attempted suicide rate from joining a public service, over concerns of suicide and potential issues with mental illness, is not oppression.

The government upholding the first amendment rights of a private bakery is not oppression.

The goverment not enforcing diversity quotas is not oppression.

 

You are not being dragged out and killed, nor enslaved, nor even reprimanded for being LGBT. Your political voice is not being silenced. You are not oppressed, and the continual claiming that you are devalues what you say, the language you've used, and the implications of those that have acctually been oppressed.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

It doesn't.

 

The US government not submitting to your world view is not oppression.

The government blocking a group of people with a mental disorder and high attempted suicide rate from joining a public service, over concerns of suicide and potential issues with mental illness, is not oppression.

The government upholding the first amendment rights of a private bakery is not oppression.

The goverment not enforcing diversity quotas is not oppression.

 

You are not being dragged out and killed, nor enslaved, nor even reprimanded for being LGBT. Your political voice is not being silenced. You are not oppressed, and the continual claiming that you are devalues what you say, the language you've used, and the implications of those that have acctually been oppressed.

Did you just call me a liar? Your ignorance of LGBT affairs is unbelievable!

[Nowak]

Just now, poochyena said:

not really. I don't identify as anything tbh. sexuality is too complex for rigid labels. I'd put myself around 1 or 2 on the kinsey scale though I guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

Sounds like possibly bisexual with a heavy female preference. Maybe.

[Drak3]

6 minutes ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

Did you just call me a liar?

Yes.

 

6 minutes ago, Lady Fitzgerald said:

Your ignorance of LGBT affairs is unbelievable!

I'm not ignorant of it. And you just repeatedly calling me names isn't going to make it so.

[Commodus]

8 minutes ago, poochyena said:

How is wanting equality racist? Thinking someone deserves special recognition simply for having a specific skin color is racist. I'm also not sure what "White History Month is every other month of the year." means.

But it's not wanting equality, that's the thing.  Demanding a White History Month or a straight pride parade is demanding something you already have every waking moment as a white or straight person in North America or Europe.  For LGBT people, pride is about asserting and demanding equality that they've historically been denied (and are still denied, in the US).  You already have that equality -- getting a special month or parade for you would only amount to asserting your dominance.

 

Think about it: the vast majority of movies, songs, TV shows and other media celebrate straight relationships.  Straight people in North America have never been tied to fences and beaten to the edge of death purely for being straight; they've never had people try to force them into conversion 'therapy,' or call them sexual predators when they want to become Scout leaders or use gender-appropriate washrooms.  The pride movement is about asserting that LGBT people are humans who ought to feel comfortable in their own skin and deserve better treatment than they've had in the past.

[Nowak]

Just now, Commodus said:

But it's not wanting equality, that's the thing.  Demanding a White History Month or a straight pride parade is demanding something you already have every waking moment as a white or straight person in North America or Europe.  For LGBT people, pride is about asserting and demanding equality that they've historically been denied (and are still denied, in the US).  You already have that equality -- getting a special month or parade for you would only amount to asserting your dominance.

 

Think about it: the vast majority of movies, songs, TV shows and other media celebrate straight relationships.  Straight people in North America have never been tied to fences and beaten to the edge of death purely for being straight; they've never had people try to force them into conversion 'therapy,' or call them sexual predators when they want to become Scout leaders or use gender-appropriate washrooms.  The pride movement is about asserting that LGBT people are humans who ought to feel comfortable in their own skin and deserve better treatment than they've had in the past.

Right. It's not hard to figure this out. We just want to be comfortable with ourselves.

[handymanshandle]

ah yeah, remembered why I never use this thread.

Jesus too much one-sidedness

[Nowak]

1 minute ago, pinksnowbirdie said:

ah yeah, remembered why I never use this thread.

Jesus too much one-sidedness

Oh, boo hoo. Let me play you a sad song on the world's smallest violin.

[handymanshandle]

1 minute ago, Nowak said:

Oh, boo hoo. Let me play you a sad song on the world's smallest violin.

[Nowak]

Just now, pinksnowbirdie said:

I'd rather align myself with people who believe the many, rather than just the few, should be free, thanks.

 

Freedom isn't freedom unless everyone is free.

[Citadelen]

1 hour ago, poochyena said:

It just isn't really much of a thing in modern countries. People get punished for anti-gay remarks much more than people get punished for pro-gay remarks. I get being pro-lgbt, i am, its just the more personal being prideful of being lgbt. Being prideful of anything you don't choose is kinda weird to me. meh.

Of course, I'm not proud of being gay any less than I'm ashamed of it, it just is. I do agree that aspect of pride is unnecessary, the only reason I'd take part in a parade is to stick it to hard-line Christians or even worse, Muslims (not all Muslims are regressive cunts but I'd be lying if I said I didn't hate Islam more than I hated Christianity).

 

 

[Drak3]

33 minutes ago, Nowak said:

I'd rather align myself with people who believe the many, rather than just the few, should be free, thanks.

Evidently not.

[Nowak]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Eveidently not.

Yes, actually.

[Drak3]

Just now, Nowak said:

Yes, actually.

You're trying to revoke religious freedoms, even though no freedoms have been revoked from you.

 

So no, actually. Your observed behavior contradicts your claims.

[Nowak]

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

You're trying to revoke religious freedoms, even though no freedoms have been revoked from you.

 

So no, actually. Your observed behavior contradicts your claims.

While I don't like religion, I believe you should still be able to worship if you so choose. Just don't tell me that I'm a "sinner" or "wrong" or try infringing on my humanity because I'm gay and we're good.

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, Nowak said:

Just don't tell me that I'm a "sinner" or "wrong" because I'm gay and we're good.

Don't get in the face of religious people with your sexuality.

 

3 minutes ago, Nowak said:

I believe you should still be able to worship if you so choose.

You just don't believe they should have religious freedom in any aspect of their lives.

[Nowak]

4 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

You just don't believe they should have religious freedom in any aspect of their lives.

It isn't "religious freedom" when it specifically allows for discrimination something you say isn't a thing anymore in the west, even if it's something like medical care, because "muh religion".

 

Imagine being turned down for urgent medical care by your doctor because of your sexuality, which doesn't meet up with their religious views. That's the problem here. I wouldn't like that very much so would you like that?

[PCGuy_5960]

19 minutes ago, Nowak said:

While I don't like religion, I believe you should still be able to worship if you so choose. Just don't tell me that I'm a "sinner" or "wrong" or try infringing on my humanity because I'm gay and we're good.

Just curious, if you claim that you are not religious, then why do you care if some (very few) religious people call you a "sinner"?

 

I mean, if you don't believe in a religion, why should you care if what you are doing is considered a sin in that religion?

[Citadelen]

3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Don't get in the face of religious people with your sexuality.

 

You just don't believe they should have religious freedom in any aspect of their lives.

And around we go, forever locked in a circle.

I despise religion not religious people. Religious freedom should be enshrined in national law but not to the extent it infringes on others rights. Eg gay marriage should be legal but churches shouldn't be forced to provide services, and for example people should be able to hold the right to withhold service to gay people if that's their belief (within reason) I may think their beliefs are misguided or bigoted, but forcing someone to do something against their beliefs opens a whole Pandora's box of issues. As much of a socialist that I am, issues like this don't need layers of laws and state intervention, a few simple laws to ensure certain freedoms are withheld are all that's needed, the rest can be left to the individual.

[Nowak]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Just curious, if you claim that you are not religious, then why do you care if some (very few) religious people call you a "sinner"?

 

I mean, if you don't believe in a religion, why should you care if what you are doing is considered a sin in that religion?

Calling me a "sinner" because religious texts view homosexuality as "sin" is basically an affront to my humanity, basically.

Side note, I was raised in a Catholic family. I do have some history with religion, but... not a whole lot.

[poochyena]

48 minutes ago, Citadelen said:

Of course, I'm not proud of being gay any less than I'm ashamed of it, it just is. I do agree that aspect of pride is unnecessary, the only reason I'd take part in a parade is to stick it to hard-line Christians or even worse, Muslims (not all Muslims are regressive cunts but I'd be lying if I said I didn't hate Islam more than I hated Christianity).

 

Thats fair. I'm sorta 50/50 on pride parades. I think they are great when there is clear political motive behind it and it is basically a protest like before same sex marriage became legal, but otherwise i'm just reminded of that onion article

[Drak3]

6 minutes ago, Nowak said:

Imagine being turned down for urgent medical care by your doctor because of your sexuality, which doesn't meet up with their religious views.

Go to a different doctor. Problem solved.

 

7 minutes ago, Nowak said:

 I wouldn't like that very much so would you like that?

I don't. But me not liking something is not grounds for denying someone else's rights.

 

You don't have a right to another person's labor.

7 minutes ago, Nowak said:

Calling me a "sinner" because religious texts view homosexuality as "sin" is basically an affront to my humanity, basically.

No, it's not.