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Guide: How to Install Window's the Right Way!

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Okay, so I have done all the editing I am going to do for now.

 

Please read the post, and make suggestions for areas that I wasn't so clear.  Remember this should be completely comprehensive and leave no room for error.

 

If you have any gripes about the process, or you think something isn't right at all, let me know and Ill research further.

 

Also any grammar suggestions should be posted.


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If you need to learn how to install Windows, check here:  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/324871-guide-how-to-install-windows-the-right-way/

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Thinking of cleaning this up then making a YouTube video to go along with it...  thoughts?


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If you need to learn how to install Windows, check here:  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/324871-guide-how-to-install-windows-the-right-way/

Event Viewer 101: https://youtu.be/GiF9N3fJbnE

 

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Its been edited again.  Now it is "version 1.5"


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If you need to learn how to install Windows, check here:  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/324871-guide-how-to-install-windows-the-right-way/

Event Viewer 101: https://youtu.be/GiF9N3fJbnE

 

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First off, great work!

 

You know, I'm surprised there isn't an official community-made LTT Windows install guide stickied on the forum. We should totally make one using all the tips, tricks, and various install procedures different people use. I've always used Sean's Windows 7 Install Guide @ Overclock.net, but that one's a bit dated, and only for Windows 7 afaik.

 

An LTT community-sourced install guide would be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet imo.

 

Could add in all the little tidbits like disabling pagefile, moving user folders, checking prefetch/superfetch, how to ensure TRIM is enabled, turning off defrag for SSDs, turning off indexing, all the crap like that.


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I disagree, the best way is to use an IDE ODD with an IDE to Sata adapter and then just click through all the things as fast as possible. The Faster you click through them the better and faster your computer will be once windows is installed.


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A few things on this post.

 

 

To make a bootable USB key, you can use command prompt instead of installing additional software.

Here is how to prep the USB key, then just extract your downloaded ISO to the key: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj200124.aspx

 

To reinstall applications, many 32-bit apps can be had without "bloated installers", by downloading from https://ninite.com

Windows 10 will have a new repository install function, that will mean you can do similar to ninite from the command line.

 

You may also want to make a Slipstreamed install - where you can integrate updates and drivers into your USB key.

It will make it easier next time you have to run the install, you can also include SATA and host adapter drivers to make reinstalling much easier if you think you might have to do it again or you like refreshing regularly. 

Heres a guide for an easy way to Slipstream: http://www.howtogeek.com/169522/customize-your-windows-8-installation-disc-and-slipstream-updates-with-winreducer/


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Or you could just do it the pro way

~100GB partition on a second HDD

Control Panel

File History

Create A Windows Image

Give it a name

Select 100GB Partition

Click Create

Wait

Now when things go wrong you boot into WinRE

Click Advanced Troubleshooting

Restore System Partition

Select Recovery Image

Exclude other HDDs from the restore

Click Restore

Wait

Boom, your PC is exactly as it was when you created the image.

It might take a little longer to create the image and then restore it but it saves hours of reinstalling everything back onto the machine.


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Or you could just do it the pro way

~100GB partition on a second HDD

Control Panel

File History

Create A Windows Image

Give it a name

Select 100GB Partition

Click Create

Wait

Now when things go wrong you boot into WinRE

Click Advanced Troubleshooting

Restore System Partition

Select Recovery Image

Exclude other HDDs from the restore

Click Restore

Wait

Boom, your PC is exactly as it was when you created the image.

It might take a little longer to create the image and then restore it but it saves hours of reinstalling everything back onto the machine.

this sounds like a real good idea, but restoring with an Acronis backup is pretty much the same thing

 

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This is really helpful! Amazing work! A YouTube video would be really nice to make it a bit more visual, but even if you can't, this is really good! Will really help many builders out there.

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To have your windows on a USB drive, you must have a spare computer first. This will not work when a person has never own a computer and is doing their very first build. It would be faster to just pop in the disc to the DVD drive and install from there. Adding the USB just creates more work.


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To have your windows on a USB drive, you must have a spare computer first. This will not work when a person has never own a computer and is doing their very first build. It would be faster to just pop in the disc to the DVD drive and install from there. Adding the USB just creates more work.

 

I think the idea, is that most people would already have a computer or at least have access to one, to be here to read this....

If you didnt have any, then yeah you'd just buy the physical media and do it that way, or use the one that comes with your computer/laptop if its a prebuilt system.

 

A USB is far faster and doesnt require an optical drive which a lot of people don't have on newer computers.


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First off, great work!

 

You know, I'm surprised there isn't an official community-made LTT Windows install guide stickied on the forum. We should totally make one using all the tips, tricks, and various install procedures different people use. I've always used Sean's Windows 7 Install Guide @ Overclock.net, but that one's a bit dated, and only for Windows 7 afaik.

 

An LTT community-sourced install guide would be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet imo.

 

Could add in all the little tidbits like disabling pagefile, moving user folders, checking prefetch/superfetch, how to ensure TRIM is enabled, turning off defrag for SSDs, turning off indexing, all the crap like that.

That is not a part of my guide.  Disabling page filing is NOT a recommended procedure.  Moving user folders is ALSO not a recommended feature.  Windows automatically doesn't defrag SSDs and turns TRIM support on.  Indexing is also a positive feature and shouldn't be turned off.

 

All of these suggestions are for POWER USERS that do understand their outcome.  This guide is 100% for the average joe that should not be doing any of the additional features you suggested.  Also, if I was going to do that kind of stuff it would be a separate guide called "Customizing Windows".


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If you need to learn how to install Windows, check here:  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/324871-guide-how-to-install-windows-the-right-way/

Event Viewer 101: https://youtu.be/GiF9N3fJbnE

 

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A few things on this post.

 

 

To make a bootable USB key, you can use command prompt instead of installing additional software.

Here is how to prep the USB key, then just extract your downloaded ISO to the key: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj200124.aspx

 

To reinstall applications, many 32-bit apps can be had without "bloated installers", by downloading from https://ninite.com

Windows 10 will have a new repository install function, that will mean you can do similar to ninite from the command line.

 

You may also want to make a Slipstreamed install - where you can integrate updates and drivers into your USB key.

It will make it easier next time you have to run the install, you can also include SATA and host adapter drivers to make reinstalling much easier if you think you might have to do it again or you like refreshing regularly. 

Heres a guide for an easy way to Slipstream: http://www.howtogeek.com/169522/customize-your-windows-8-installation-disc-and-slipstream-updates-with-winreducer/

This guide is meant for the average joe, do you really think the average joe wants to use the cmd promt over a simple piece of software?

 

Also this guide is meant to prevent users from getting software from third parties, like ninite.  No matter how big the 3rd party might be, you still don't know how up to date the software is, how it has been modified, or anything else of that nature.

 

Slipstreamed installs seem nice, the only problem is this is (once again) for a average joe.  Slipstreamed installs can often go wrong if you don't know what you're doing, also installing programs before you install drivers is a BAD idea.  Not to include, the next time you run the install (I personally find myself reinstalling Windows about once ever 6 months for various reasons) I SHOULD have all new versions of my software and drivers, so the slipstreamed install media would have to be reconfigured.  Thus, I don't recommend slipstreams unless you plan on installing on 5+ machines that have the EXACT same hardware configuration.


Please spend as much time writing your question, as you want me to spend responding to it.  Take some time, and explain your issue, please!

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If you need to learn how to install Windows, check here:  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/324871-guide-how-to-install-windows-the-right-way/

Event Viewer 101: https://youtu.be/GiF9N3fJbnE

 

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actually the best way to make a bootable usb key is to use 'rufus' utility which is much better than the windows 7 one.

Trying to avoid 3rd party software.


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If you need to learn how to install Windows, check here:  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/324871-guide-how-to-install-windows-the-right-way/

Event Viewer 101: https://youtu.be/GiF9N3fJbnE

 

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Or you could just do it the pro way

~100GB partition on a second HDD

Control Panel

File History

Create A Windows Image

Give it a name

Select 100GB Partition

Click Create

Wait

Now when things go wrong you boot into WinRE

Click Advanced Troubleshooting

Restore System Partition

Select Recovery Image

Exclude other HDDs from the restore

Click Restore

Wait

Boom, your PC is exactly as it was when you created the image.

It might take a little longer to create the image and then restore it but it saves hours of reinstalling everything back onto the machine.

Problem with this is (as I stated about 2 post ago) that when I want to do a reinstall of Windows (about every 6-9 months) every single driver should have a new version, and every piece of software should be a new version.  Thus, this method just require 10x more effort to uninstall and reinstall programs/drivers (not to include dealing with the possibility of a uninstall not being complete then having a corrupt installer so on and so forth.)


Please spend as much time writing your question, as you want me to spend responding to it.  Take some time, and explain your issue, please!

Spoiler

If you need to learn how to install Windows, check here:  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/324871-guide-how-to-install-windows-the-right-way/

Event Viewer 101: https://youtu.be/GiF9N3fJbnE

 

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To have your windows on a USB drive, you must have a spare computer first. This will not work when a person has never own a computer and is doing their very first build. It would be faster to just pop in the disc to the DVD drive and install from there. Adding the USB just creates more work.

In this section, I said you can get your media any way you'd like.  (I even included a link to the Microsoft Store where you can buy a copy).

 

Also, if someone is looking on this forum then they have a working computer.  I cant do much help to someone who has never had a computer before.


Please spend as much time writing your question, as you want me to spend responding to it.  Take some time, and explain your issue, please!

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If you need to learn how to install Windows, check here:  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/324871-guide-how-to-install-windows-the-right-way/

Event Viewer 101: https://youtu.be/GiF9N3fJbnE

 

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I am still looking for suggestions though.  I want to know which steps weren't as clearly portrayed.  I will be doing a youtube video here very shortly then.  I'm probably going to break it down into the 4 different categories.  Creating a "Guide to Customizing Windows" is probably next on my list as it would help the power users.  Thanks @xeromynd

 

Also, this guide is meant to be EASY and step by step.  I know a lot of you know how to do it other ways, but this guide is meant to show you OFFICIAL and easy ways of doing things.  Having people "go here click this, and poof automagically..." doesn't help the original builder as it only shows them shortcuts.  This is like when you're learning math in grade school, you have to learn the long complicated way first, then the teacher will come in after you understand what is going on and show you the easy way.


Please spend as much time writing your question, as you want me to spend responding to it.  Take some time, and explain your issue, please!

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If you need to learn how to install Windows, check here:  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/324871-guide-how-to-install-windows-the-right-way/

Event Viewer 101: https://youtu.be/GiF9N3fJbnE

 

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Problem with this is (as I stated about 2 post ago) that when I want to do a reinstall of Windows (about every 6-9 months) every single driver should have a new version, and every piece of software should be a new version. Thus, this method just require 10x more effort to uninstall and reinstall programs/drivers (not to include dealing with the possibility of a uninstall not being complete then having a corrupt installer so on and so forth.)

That's why you reimage every few months, so your always upto date.


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Also this guide is meant to prevent users from getting software from third parties, like ninite.  No matter how big the 3rd party might be, you still don't know how up to date the software is, how it has been modified, or anything else of that nature.

 

 

The problem with referring people direct to the app suppliers, is that many of the installers now are obscure with the way in which they present addiitional software during the install process. Ninite strips this down, which was my point in pointing out a service like this. The "average user" that you're referring to is just going to keep clicking Yes/Accept/Continue, and end up with all sorts of bloatware they dont want....like uTorrents new bitminer install, or system scanners that will give the user big flashing boxes that they can upgrade to full to protect their system for only $29.99!

 

The heading of the article is "How to install Windows the Right Way".

If this article is just for very simple beginners, then the title is ambiguous, as there are a number of ways that are the right way without installing additional 3rd party tools like the USB/DVD creator, and avoiding all the bloatware that comes with many of the installers, that make installation very simple.

 

Also ninite is up to date almost to the day. A lot of software these days also have their own Update services, so they will update themselves as normal.

 

 

Slipstreamed installs seem nice, the only problem is this is (once again) for a average joe.  Slipstreamed installs can often go wrong if you don't know what you're doing, also installing programs before you install drivers is a BAD idea.  Not to include, the next time you run the install (I personally find myself reinstalling Windows about once ever 6 months for various reasons) I SHOULD have all new versions of my software and drivers, so the slipstreamed install media would have to be reconfigured.  Thus, I don't recommend slipstreams unless you plan on installing on 5+ machines that have the EXACT same hardware configuration.

 

 

I'm not referring to Slipstreaming software into your install - I'm talking about updates and basic drivers, so that you have something thats plug and play for your computer. I'd never create an SOE image unless as you said, I have a number of computers with the same configuration and same requirement (which isnt a home user case). Again if I wanted something with software, then I would recommend a backup image once everything is installed, rather than a slipstream. Again that link was to a very simple way of creating a slipstream install, which would be more of an advanced step on top of the original article.


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The problem with referring people direct to the app suppliers, is that many of the installers now are obscure with the way in which they present addiitional software during the install process. Ninite strips this down, which was my point in pointing out a service like this. The "average user" that you're referring to is just going to keep clicking Yes/Accept/Continue, and end up with all sorts of bloatware they dont want....like uTorrents new bitminer install, or system scanners that will give the user big flashing boxes that they can upgrade to full to protect their system for only $29.99!

 

The heading of the article is "How to install Windows the Right Way".

If this article is just for very simple beginners, then the title is ambiguous, as there are a number of ways that are the right way without installing additional 3rd party tools like the USB/DVD creator, and avoiding all the bloatware that comes with many of the installers, that make installation very simple.

 

Also ninite is up to date almost to the day. A lot of software these days also have their own Update services, so they will update themselves as normal.

 

 

 

 

I'm not referring to Slipstreaming software into your install - I'm talking about updates and basic drivers, so that you have something thats plug and play for your computer. I'd never create an SOE image unless as you said, I have a number of computers with the same configuration and same requirement (which isnt a home user case). Again if I wanted something with software, then I would recommend a backup image once everything is installed, rather than a slipstream. Again that link was to a very simple way of creating a slipstream install, which would be more of an advanced step on top of the original article.

Look on TechNet, there is a official RIGHT WAY to install Windows.  I know you wasn't refereeing to slipstreaming, there was another user that was suggesting slipstreaming.  Also, the user has the right to check whatever they want.  If they want to take the easy way out and continue, accept, install, next without reading what they are getting then more power to them.  This isn't a "How to install Windows with crazy additions" guide.

 

And as far as "as there are a number of ways that are the right way without installing additional 3rd party tools like the USB/DVD creator, and avoiding all the bloatware that comes with many of the installers, that make installation very simple. " the Microsoft Windows USB/DVD Creator Tool is a FIRST party piece of software as it is MADE by the same party that makes Windows (and is also how they suggest doing it).  And as for making stuff "easier", if you have a easier way of taking a ISO image and putting it on a USB drive and making the USB drive bootable, Im all ears.


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If you need to learn how to install Windows, check here:  http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/324871-guide-how-to-install-windows-the-right-way/

Event Viewer 101: https://youtu.be/GiF9N3fJbnE

 

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