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Tesla warns Model S hacks could injure drivers and its brand

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Tesla doesn't want you tinkering with your car, largely because you're a moron who will cause something to go wrong, get in a crash, then proceed to blame Tesla for your screwup thus harming their image - a image they can't afford to tarnish since even though Tesla is "the shit" right now, they're still young and don't need Governmental inquiries into their safety or reliability to ruin the good streak they have going. 

I'm with them. This isn't a regular car you can do whatever you want on. This is a tad more complicated. Likely, the engineers who signed off the last piece of code know a little more about how to make it the best possible thing than you do. But thats just me. 

 

 

In its 10-K annual document, Tesla notes: "If our vehicle owners customize our vehicles or change the charging infrastructure with aftermarket products, the vehicle may not operate properly, which could harm our business." The company has referenced "automobile enthusiasts" who want to hack their Tesla to improve its performance, warning that those who do may compromise the safety systems. It says some customers have modified their position in the driving seat, which reduces the effectiveness of the airbags.

 

"We have not tested, nor do we endorse, such changes or products. In addition, customer use of improper external cabling or unsafe charging outlets can expose our customers to injury from high voltage electricity," says Tesla. "Such unauthorized modifications could reduce the safety of our vehicles and any injuries resulting from such modifications could result in adverse publicity which would negatively affect our brand and harm our business, prospects, financial condition and operating results."

 

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The logo is ugly as fuck... I hope you can mod that out...

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Totally understand it, to be honest they should lock any way to mod your car, damn that sounds funny. Imagine someone dies because he tried out a new tool where he gets 10 km/h faster or something

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This isn't a new thing. All cat companies want nothing to do with you modifying there cars. If you change the settings in the computer for a Toyota good luck getting any warranty coverage if somthing goes wrong.

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I gotta agree with this. Any software modifications could cause all kinds of issues.

 

Even hardware changes could be disastrous with a car like the Tesla.

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It's an electric car... They were more popular in the late 1800's then petrol/gas powered cars, It's just a giant over complicated electric RC. Unless it's a driverless car or something I don't really see this being all that much of a problem. 

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It's an electric car... They were more popular in the late 1800's then petrol/gas powered cars, It's just a giant over complicated electric RC. Unless it's a driverless car or something I don't really see this being all that much of a problem. 

 

Uhm... what?

 

You're comparing an electric car in the 1800's to a modern, computer controlled electric car?

 

The computer controls stuff like voltage protection (So it doesn't draw too much power from the batteries), and limiting the speed of the electric motors so the damn things don't explode.

 

Electric cars in the 1800's were basically hot wheels toys compared to a Tesla, or any other modern electric car.

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I gotta agree with this. Any software modifications could cause all kinds of issues.

 

Even hardware changes could be disastrous with a car like the Tesla.

Hardware changes shouldn't be any more problematic then those of a normal petrol/gas power car. The more driver assists the vehicle has the more software may need to be updated to account for the specs of hardware changes but that's about it. I mean upgrading the brakes for example should only have any greater effect on this car then any other if it's able to attempt to apply the brakes for you. 

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Uhm... what?

 

You're comparing an electric car in the 1800's to a modern, computer controlled electric car?

 

The computer controls stuff like voltage protection (So it doesn't draw too much power from the batteries), and limiting the speed of the electric motors so the damn things don't explode.

 

Electric cars in the 1800's were basically hot wheels toys compared to a Tesla, or any other modern electric car.

Oh so you mean the computer does exactly what the ESC in a modern electric remote controlled car does. Gee wiz I've been building those from scratch since I was 10 I don't understand how that technology works at all must be some kind of magic. Granted the average idiot may not but the average idiot can cause all sorts of issues in a modern computer controlled petrol/gas car.  

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Hardware changes shouldn't be any more problematic then those of a normal petrol/gas power car. The more driver assists the vehicle has the more software may need to be updated to account for the specs of hardware changes but that's about it. I mean upgrading the brakes for example should only have any greater effect on this car then any other if it's able to attempt to apply the brakes for you. 

 

Potentially, but I'm not a mechanic nor an engineer, so I can't quite say how that will change things.

 

Upgrading the brakes may change the braking characteristics of the car, making ABS control compromised, for example.

 

There will certainly be SOME hardware modifications that will no doubt not cause any issues, but it's not as simple as on a traditional car, since parts are much more integrated into the computer system at a base level.

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People hacking cars, it's finally happening. The world is going down! I want regular combustion cars with no more electronics than an alternator and some lights. :P

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Potentially, but I'm not a mechanic nor an engineer, so I can't quite say how that will change things.

 

Upgrading the brakes may change the braking characteristics of the car, making ABS control compromised, for example.

 

There will certainly be SOME hardware modifications that will no doubt not cause any issues, but it's not as simple as on a traditional car, since parts are much more integrated into the computer system at a base level.

So exactly the same as in any modern car. :-) the fact they're electric actually makes them more straight forward assuming they don't have a bunch of driver assists you can't or don't want to disable. 

I'm not saying every idiot should attempt it but I wouldn't say any idiot should attempt to change hardware on my modern computer controlled petrol powered car with TC, ABS and ESC either. I'm simply saying it's not automatically massively more complicated simply because it's electric that's all. 

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So exactly the same as in any modern car. :-) the fact they're electric actually makes them more straight forward assuming they don't have a bunch of driver assists you can't or don't want to disable. 

 

I would assume there are even more driver assists in a Tesla, then compared to a regular gasoline car. But again, I'm neither an engineer nor a mechanic.

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I would assume there are even more driver assists in a Tesla, then compared to a regular gasoline car. But again, I'm neither an engineer nor a mechanic.

Isn't the S their cheaper variant? If so I wouldn't actually assume it has that many more at all. I do agree not your average idiot should do it but I wouldn't let the average idiot work on my car either as it not only has all your normal driver assists but also a secondary computer to control trailer braking that would also need to be adjusted if I were to as an example upgrade my brakes.  I come from a family with quite a few mechanics and electrical engineers as well as computer technicians and one that's both a mechanic and a engineer who spends his days working on race cars and bikes. I think we got this covered lol :-) 

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Isn't the S their cheaper variant? If so I wouldn't actually assume it has that many more at all. I do agree not your average idiot should do it but I wouldn't let the average idiot work on my car either as it not only has your normal crappy driver assists but also a secondary computer to control trailer braking that would also need to be adjusted if I were to as an example upgrade my brakes.  

 

The Model S is the "Normal" version of the Tesla. Base price with no options is what, like $50,000? Average price puts it closer to $80,000 though. - Scratch that, just checked online. Base Price of the Model S is $69,900 for the "60", $79,900 for the "85", and $104,500 for the "P85D".

 

The Model 3 is going to aim for $30,000-$35,000 base price, and the Model X will likely be priced similar to the Model S.

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The Model S is the "Normal" version of the Tesla. Base price with no options is what, like $50,000? Average price puts it closer to $80,000 though. - Scratch that, just checked online. Base Price of the Model S is $69,900 for the "60", $79,900 for the "85", and $104,500 for the "P85D".

 

The Model 3 is going to aim for $30,000-$35,000 base price, and the Model X will likely be priced similar to the Model S.

Ok then so it may have a few extras but I'm not sure what they could be as there's only a few limited driver assists there can really be. I'm pretty confident I'd be able to manage it with the aid of a family member or 2. I get it they have to tell you not to do it to cover their ass if you fuck it up like all car makers do. Hell like all companies do this is like their warning label. lol

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well, you can remove a fuse in a nissan leaf and have the ability to use all the motors power in reverse. I doubt anything you could do in a tesla would be that bad lol.

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safety first. I support Tesla locking it down. I realise this is contradictory to what I hold PC manufacturers to. but I'm not driving my family to the movies in my PC.

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well, you can remove a fuse in a nissan leaf and have the ability to use all the motors power in reverse. I doubt anything you could do in a tesla would be that bad lol.

Well if it's electric that would actually be the default(for the motor itself) and it would only be limited by it's computer acting like a electronic speed controller in a RC car limiting the voltage and amps, so with bit of messing about you could totally get 100% power in reverse technically you could even have all your gears and do 100+mph in reverse.  (Many cars on Australian roads have the engines full power in reverse you're only limited by the single gear)

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Totally understand it, to be honest they should lock any way to mod your car, damn that sounds funny. Imagine someone dies because he tried out a new tool where he gets 10 km/h faster or something

I hope you just mean Tesla and not all car makers as there is no stock offroad cars capable of doing much if any offroading little own being about to get around offroad in Australia.  I nor many other car enthusiasts were ever likely to buy a Tesla to start with and I get they have to warn about it same as pretty much anyone who makes anything with the intention of selling it, but I wouldn't say lock it down or essentially that would drastically limit the amount of even qualified mechanics/engineers and or electrical engineers able to repair them to those with Tesla approval and the ability to unlock them which would no doubt mean you'd get ripped off hardcore when something minor goes wrong. 

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I hope you just mean Tesla and not all car makers as there is no stock offroad cars capable of doing much if any offroading little own being about to get around offroad in Australia.  I nor many other car enthusiasts were ever likely to buy a Tesla to start with and I get they have to warn about it same as pretty much anyone who makes anything with the intention of selling it, but I wouldn't say lock it down or essentially that would drastically limit the amount of even qualified mechanics/engineers and or electrical engineers able to repair them to those with Tesla approval and the ability to unlock them which would no doubt mean you'd get ripped off hardcore when something minor goes wrong. 

I meant that normal people shouldn't be able to modify their cars like their Computers

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This isn't a new thing. All cat companies want nothing to do with you modifying there cars. If you change the settings in the computer for a Toyota good luck getting any warranty coverage if somthing goes wrong.

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