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Welp, i tried to ignore the Jim Parsons adverts, but now i guess I'll be officially moving over to AMD for my next upgrade.

 

You will regret it, trust me.

Intel is trying really hard to snatch attention away from Ubisoft.

What's next? DLC that unlocks a core on your CPU?

 

Nope. Pre-order the new broadwell CPU's and you will get a half functioning CPU that will be finished after multiple DLC's later. Learn2Ubisoft.

 

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Well, you didn't answer my question.  :)

They could hire 100% black people and still pay them poorly.

You should have answered: If you have employees with different life experience the company is much more innovative. At least that's the usual answer people give.

I would have answered: Why not hire these people in the first place and ignore their race, gender, ...? I'm mean that's wahat the job interview is for, to know you better.

 

Anyway, about the chart you posted. Look at it again! There is something striking about this chart! Why are asian men earning more than white men? Think about it!

The reason is, that asians tend to work harder (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/05/05/hard-work-really-is-the-reason-asian-kids-get-better-grades-study-finds/) and they also major in STEM Fields, which are better paid.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/on-small-business/asian-arrival-how-stem-demand-led-to-a-massive-shift-in-immigration/2012/06/21/gJQAaShLtV_story.html

 

Which leads me to my next point: The numbers you posted simple represent the median income for an individual of every group. The authors factor in work expereince, degrees, working hours per week, ...

These numbers don't show that a asian female with the same experience, education, ... earns less compared to a white male. You can't conclude this from the data you posted.

 

 

I get it, you really like feminism.  ;)

But just like many things in life, the definition and the real world application differs.

The idea men and women should have equal rights and opportunities sound great and a lot of people would support that. I would support it, so would the majority of "anit-feminist", "MRAs" and all the other so-called "enemies of equality".

But many people had bad experiences with western political feminism. For example, this group still attempts to deceive you with misinterpreted statistics (wage gap).

This claim, that "feminism" is also good for men is bullshit and you can see it everywhere.

Some time ago i read a german newspaper article. The author of said article was travelling around germany to interview feminists. One of the interviewees was a equal opportunity commissioner. These people are emplyed by goverment agencies and companies to ensure that men and women are treated equally. So, he asked her: Did a man ever ask you for help? She answered: Yes, one time a guy was verbally abused by his female boss. He asked: And what happened? Her answer: I don't know, probably still doing his job.

Source (in german): http://www.zeit.de/2013/24/genderforschung-kulturelle-unterschiede/seite-3.

 

Frankly, i don't if it is even possible the achieve full equality. Let's be honest, a very emotional man, who cries a lot, will have problems finding a mate (female).

Does a world where no man tries to impress a women (house, car, clothes, job, ...) seem realistic to you? The number of gym memberships would drop drastically, if women didn't exist.  :)

 

There's a quote by Aristotle Onassis 

 

Men buy a lot of stuff to impress women. 

Anyway, don't fell bad about your affinity towards feminism. Many people support the textbook definition, but not the real-world implementation.  :P

Some really great points there. And you're right, it is very difficult to create a world where everyone is equal. I think what annoys me the most is people thinking that feminist = man-hater. I suppose being a white male myself (while not heterosexual) gives me a bit of a skewed view as I has been more privileged than others. I do, however, think that feminism would be good for everyone, maybe not on an individual level, but for the world as a whole. I think that I probably just like to dream of a perfect world where everything is great without really thinking about it realistically, and I thank you for bringing that up in my mind.

 

Also I'd just like to say, I myself am a male who is very emotional and I have no trouble with my girlfriend. I think that that is where feminism and equality will benefit men, in making it okay for men not to be manly. I'm not a "manly man," I act more feminine I feel, I've been considering wearing makeup, and I'd like to live in a world where men don't need to be held to a standard, and neither do women or any gender in between or outside of the two.

 

 

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Uh, do you even know what I said?

I can guarantee you there will be a case where a more qualified male was not hired because he is male.

They're trying to create quotas of x number of women should be hired for equality even with the very good chance not all of them are the most qualified person for the job.

I'm sure there are more qualified men than women, but it goes both ways, and when two applicants have comparable qualifications, men are typically hired more often than not. I don't think Intel made the right choice on how to do this, but the principle is simple and goes against a problem we've been dealing with for far too long. They shouldn't go for 'x' number of women despite credentials, but instead think twice between inherently choosing a 'John' over a 'Jane' who have the same experience.

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I don't think anyone in the modern world consciously thinks about anything other than how well the employee will perform in the job they're being hired for. I don't know why they would, you get rewarded for hiring better candidates, if your company's set up correctly.

I agree that would be great, but it isn't happening. Companies aren't set up correctly, so this is a very idyllic view.

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I agree that would be great, but it isn't happening. Companies aren't set up correctly, so this is a very idyllic view.

I've never worked at a company where it wouldn't reflect badly on my boss if I did a horrible job... If I go and negligently introduce security flaws into some software or delay a project due to incompetence, that would have reflected badly on my entire team, so any hiring manager would try to look for people who wouldn't do that.

 

I'm not really sure how consulting feminists would help that issue though. Seems like you'd want to get some kind of business analyst, who can help set up a better structure.

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What's next? DLC that unlocks a core on your CPU?

Actually, they have already tested that a few years ago.

 

 

 

Some really great points there. And you're right, it is very difficult to create a world where everyone is equal. I think what annoys me the most is people thinking that feminist = man-hater. I suppose being a white male myself (while not heterosexual) gives me a bit of a skewed view as I has been more privileged than others. I do, however, think that feminism would be good for everyone, maybe not on an individual level, but for the world as a whole. I think that I probably just like to dream of a perfect world where everything is great without really thinking about it realistically, and I thank you for bringing that up in my mind.

I often hear that white men have lots of privileges but I can't think of any that I have experienced myself. I have also been told that I am only unaware of it because I benefit from it, but I never got any good example.

 

As for "feminism = man hater", here are some of the political suggestions the feminist party in Sweden have actually suggested. Don't come and tell me that these suggestions are not from man haters.

1) All men should pay a special tax because they are men. The money should go towards helping women who have for example been abused, among other things.

2) Make porn illegal, because it is harmful to women. Not really specifically targeted at men but still...

3) A certain % of all students/employees has to be female. If 1 unqualified woman applies for a job, and 10 very qualified men applied for a job, the employer would break the law if he/she didn't hire the woman (assuming the company wouldn't meet the quota).

4) Insurance companies would be forced to lower their prices on insurance for high-risk groups, but only if it is a woman who is trying to buy an insurance (the price would stay the same for men).

5) All men (not women) should have mandatory education in how to reduce their carbon footprint.

 

This is from the feminist political party here in Sweden. I know not all feminists are insane but most of the group that is vocal are. I call myself a feminist as well because I am all for equality.

It is because I am for equality I am against the pseudo feminism that Anita and the political party in Sweden are pushing. In order to get equality you need to not give any group special treatment, and you need to focus on the issues of both sides. I rarely hear any feminist talk about the mans rights issues (and there are a lot of them, some of which are very serious).

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Partnering with Feminist Frequency to promote Gender Equality is like partnering with Radical Islam to promote religious understanding.

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Both of those videos are sponsored by ultra right-wing conservative status quo supporting institutions; using them as "proof" towards a lack of sexism in today's society is equivalent to me posting a clip of Rosanne Barr screaming that all men are sexist because they don't find her attractive, neither of them are relevant or objectively accurate.

 

The first video, produced by the "Institute for Humane Studies," is a paid mouthpiece of the Koch brothers, with the George Mason University where this program is homed receiving approximately thirty-million dollars in donations over the last couple decades; more donation money than they have ever donated to any other single entity. The "institute" works hand-in-hand with the Mercatus center, a libertarian lobbyist group which has virtually made it it's goal, among many other things, to repeal nearly every clean air initiative that has ever been passed, both nationally and in individual states.

 

The second, is by the "American Enterprise Institute," which is literally a pro-business conservative lobbyist (think tank) institution which brands itself as libertarian, meaning no matter what, they don't agree with any sort of government interference, regardless of the issue. They have frequently fought against the rights of homosexuals, for the introduction of prayer in schools--only Christian ones of course--for the censorship of art, against anything abortion or birth control related they could find, and on behalf of everyone in this forum's favorite cause, the introduction of internet fast lanes.

 

I understand that you were trying to prove a point, one I do not find to be unfounded even though I greatly differ in opinion, but to try to use these examples as objective sources was beyond reckless. I truly hope that you were not aware of how malicious the entities behind these video productions are and how their vale of objectivity  does not extend further then the name by which they brand themselves. If you are really interested in statistical, factual information, then I would suggest trying places like: PEW research statistics, non-sponsored university studies, the Bureau of Labor & Industry (crazy right), or hell, even a Google Scholar search can get you started on the right track.

 

Nope, I was not aware. Do you have a source for those claims?

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Wait I'm confused, what exactly is the issue here? Intel has created a progressive and positive new hiring policy from what I can see. They are encouraging diversity, and the way the quote in the OP reads does not indicate that they will hire people who are less qualified. What exactly is the issue here?

I've read all your posts so i'll just quote the first and reply generally here since the other posters in this thread haven't exactly given you the answer you asked for yet.

People take issue with femfreq for several reasons. First of all, it is widely regarded as a con, after receiving far in excess of the funding goal requested, a small fraction of promised videos have been released. Their critics have put out far more than them without being paid for it, which is amusing. Then there's

, exposing herself as a con as far as her honest interest in video games go. They don't even record their own footage, most of it is just taken from other gaming youtube channels. Sure it's fair use but where the hell is the effort, where did all that money go.

 

Then, we have John McIntosh, the writer for femfreq which tbh a lot more people don't like a lot more than anita, just of course they trump claims of anita being a target because that's easy. The writing of femfreq and underly logic has many many flaws in it, but that can often be seen as subjective. Willing to argue this further but for now I will link to some common criticism's here and

, more importantly i wanted to showcase some tweets from john and anita. This is only the start of it.

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If you'd like, i think i can also make a pretty solid argument about her brand of feminism in general, for example matt taylor and shirtgate would fall within the same category of arguments and i could point out why that was really stupid as well as several other things. I have a lot of links and resources and images saved.

She fakes harassment and is a "professional victim" trumping up claims of internet harassment and threats that are a combination of overreaction of normal internet harrassment, which unfortunately targets everyone, and faked threats. For example, she was going to speak at U of utah campus was it? Some one on twitter unrelated to gamergate sent her a threat, then she started ranting on about how evil gamergate was and she demanded utah ban concealed carry from the campus just so she could speak there. The FBI got involved and didn't deem the threats credible enough to take further action than normal investigation. She refused to speak as a result of them not altering the law for her to speak there.

 

She is what's called a gender feminist as opposed to an equality feminist, the two groups are somewhat at odds currently. There's also a distinction to be made between sex positive feminist and sex negative, in this case anita flip flops between them as it suits her. In one of her videos she described "her perfect game" without realizing it already existed and claimed that this was some new idea when in reality "princess frees herself" has been done a number of times, earliest in a game called clock tower. Hell, look at this crap:

because its apparently impossible to go too far.  Funny, i wonder why she dislikes power puff girls so much.

the IGDA, the other main group people are unhappy potentially being supported with, have a few problems. Most foremost is their use of a blacklist which functioned by taking 400k people based on who on twitter they followed, people like totalbiscuit, christina sommers(an academic equality feminist whos made some solid arguments that all gamers are not sexist pigs, blacklist worthy i guess) and a bunch of other random twitter people. They accidentally blacklisted many of their own members and even the leader of their puerto rican branch, iirc.

 

There's also a lot of digging people did into what connections they had with various unscrupulous gaming journalism outlets, corruption and bias, and some issues with the IGF award show and judges panel involved. More info is on gamergate's wiki here Gamergate Wiki and more around the place.

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Welp, i tried to ignore the Jim Parsons adverts, but now i guess I'll be officially moving over to AMD for my next upgrade.

then you are doing exactly the same as intel is. intel is hiring not based on skillsets (but based on social standards) and you are buying not based on performance (but your hate for a company) ;)

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No petition started yet?

n0ah1897, on 05 Mar 2014 - 2:08 PM, said:  "Computers are like girls. It's whats in the inside that matters.  I don't know about you, but I like my girls like I like my cases. Just as beautiful on the inside as the outside."

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Why is this bad, exactly? So what if they want to hire a less cis-white-male demographic? Is that not good?

 

Let's stop using the term cis-white-male as if it's the most evil thing a person can be. When you do this it paints a demographic in a bad light, and if you're really for equality then that goes against it.

 

Although, let's face it. Anita Sarkeesian is all about hate for males for some reason, and that's why I despise people like her. You know, it's entirely possible to be a male and not sexist, so maybe don't put all of them under the same umbrella.

 

I don't blame all non-lgbt people for lgbt discrimination. I just blame the people actually doing the discriminating.

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Although, let's face it. Anita Sarkeesian is all about hate for males for some reason, and that's why I despise people like her. You know, it's entirely possible to be a male and not sexist, so maybe don't put all of them under the same umbrella

I agree with this.

Reading some of her tweets made me angry.

"There is no such thing as sexism against men" wut? Not true whatsoever

n0ah1897, on 05 Mar 2014 - 2:08 PM, said:  "Computers are like girls. It's whats in the inside that matters.  I don't know about you, but I like my girls like I like my cases. Just as beautiful on the inside as the outside."

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On another note, Little Caesars is easily the most "diversified" company i have ever worked at. I suffered equally with men and women of all races. The money you no longer spend on intel could easily buy a ton of Hot & Ready pizza's.

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Im currently working at Little Caesars. I'd have to agree, we have an even amount of female to male ratio workers. Also, there is an even mix of blacks to whites to even Hispanics. My managers are awesome and overall it's a very wonderful work environment. (I end up spending so much money on pizza as I buy a stack of them every Friday).

Try working there. You get to eat free pizza all day. They just recently added jalapenos too. 

 

I do recommend ordering a deep dish pizza and requesting "crazy all over it". They will cover it with the parmesan cheese that they shake over the crazy bread, and they will also put the melted butter they put on the bread, on the deep dish itself. Your arteries will hate you, but your mouth will worship you.

 

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I don't get free pizza but after 30 min we can't sell a pizza after its cooked so sometimes we can eat those.

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I know all of the tricks to the trade now. Want a fresh pizza? Order it square sliced, or thin crust. They do not make square-cut pizza's to place into the hot and ready shelf. Same with the thin crust ones. You are 100% guaranteed a fresh pizza using those tricks. Want fresh breadsticks? Ask for a bag on the left when looking at the register from walking into the store. We always put recently made breadsticks on the right side (customers left side) in advance. 

 

I completely forgot what this topic was about. Though, i like where it is heading far better.

 

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I despise how this world is at times....Hiring should be based of merit, which in turn is hiring the best of the best. 

 

Wasn't the statistic for people going in the tech industry a large percentage of men over women, jeez even in my college with around 60-70% girls there are mostly guys in the math/computer science/engineering classes. 

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Nope, I was not aware. Do you have a source for those claims?

 

I wouldn't trust government statistics, especially since the past two administrations have tried to make data look better than they really are to preserve "stability".

 

And I have large issues even attempting to fathom how pew's surveys could count as 100% accurate, seeing as surveys by nature rely on assumptions (Their sample sizes make this even worse.) And I would also not be quick to question a group based on political leanings. Remember, a lot of groups in the US tend to have clear political allegiances, whether they realize it or not.

 

As for Anita's claims, first, sexism affects everyone. Gender need not apply. Second, women like her are exactly why feminism is dying and why legitimate victims may have their legitimate pleas ignored. One need not look farther than places governed by Islamic Extremism to see the truth. Fuck Anita Sarkeesian and all those like her.

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Why is this bad, exactly? So what if they want to hire a less cis-white-male demographic? Is that not good?

 

1) You don't hire because of gender/gender/religion/etc. They fight just that for white men/men but allow just that for women/etc. Hypocritical much?

2) No, it isn't "good" because it isn't being done for the right reasons while simultaneously labeling all white men as evil, sexist etc etc

 

It insults me as a woman that companies and the like do this. They are telling me my skill doesn't matter and they just want to give me the job to shut me up or not cause a panic. It is a stupid method to dealing with sexism, racism etc.

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Im currently working at Little Caesars. I'd have to agree, we have an even amount of female to male ratio workers. Also, there is an even mix of blacks to whites to even Hispanics. My managers are awesome and overall it's a very wonderful work environment. (I end up spending so much money on pizza as I buy a stack of them every Friday).

I don't get free pizza but after 30 min we can't sell a pizza after its cooked so sometimes we can eat those.

That's what i meant by free pizza. Anything that goes beyond its shelf life from within the hot and ready box, we eat. We could not walk outside with any of the food, we had to eat it from inside the store. Our manager would often make pizza's out of the left over pizza's we had prepared on the rack, and we would eat those at the end of the day instead of just burning them and tossing them out. 

 

I was racking my brain trying to figure out how to make use of the pizza without wasting them, like feeding them to the local homeless, but my manager brought up the point that it would be too hard to keep the pizza warm enough, and anyone that got sick off of them would be liable to sue us. I no longer work at LC, but i am very thankful for the experience and people i met there. Not a single terrible person, everyone was helpful, and the discounted breadsticks was always a plus. That, and $4 pizza's made a good deal even better. 

 

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That's what i meant by free pizza. Anything that goes beyond its shelf life from within the hot and ready box, we eat. We could not walk outside with any of the food, we had to eat it from inside the store. Our manager would often make pizza's out of the left over pizza's we had prepared on the rack, and we would eat those at the end of the day instead of just burning them and tossing them out. 

 

I was racking my brain trying to figure out how to make use of the pizza without wasting them, like feeding them to the local homeless, but my manager brought up the point that it would be too hard to keep the pizza warm enough, and anyone that got sick off of them would be liable to sue us. I no longer work at LC, but i am very thankful for the experience and people i met there. Not a single terrible person, everyone was helpful, and the discounted breadsticks was always a plus. That, and $4 pizza's made a good deal even better. 

 

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I've been working there for 6 months now and is so far the best job I've ever had. It's going to be hard when I have to leave but hopefully not for a few more years.

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Some really great points there. And you're right, it is very difficult to create a world where everyone is equal. I think what annoys me the most is people thinking that feminist = man-hater. I suppose being a white male myself (while not heterosexual) gives me a bit of a skewed view as I has been more privileged than others. I do, however, think that feminism would be good for everyone, maybe not on an individual level, but for the world as a whole. I think that I probably just like to dream of a perfect world where everything is great without really thinking about it realistically, and I thank you for bringing that up in my mind.

 

Feminism has a huge PR problem and the reason is that extreme views tend to propagate much faster than moderate ones. This effect is amplified by social media, you can voice your oppinion and the more extreme it gets, the more interesting it is.

Naturally, people are exposed to these extreme views and therefore people think of individuals like "Big Red" (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/big-red) when somebody mentions feminism. To be fair, there are also a bunch of crazy high profile feminists, like Gail Dines. In this video

 

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDYZOaTaK2A

 

 she claims that pornography is sexual torture and leads to rape and the consumption of child pornography. She is a professor and writes for newspapers like the guardian. Oh, did i mention that there is no proof for her claims. Ironically, the access to porn seems to reduce the rape rate (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/2006/10/how_the_web_prevents_rape.html). This is a common problem in Women's studies, hypotheses are stated but never verified. Instead they are threated like axioms, they are defined as true and are used to develop further reaching theories based on said rules.

 

Regarding your "white males are privileged" point: If you take the average white guy and the average black woman this might be true, but not everyone is "average". I would happily bet everything i own that Obama's daugers will be more successful than a white boy raised by a low-income family. To summarize, this rule is not very good at predicting how "priviledged" an individual is.

 

 

Also I'd just like to say, I myself am a male who is very emotional and I have no trouble with my girlfriend. I think that that is where feminism and equality will benefit men, in making it okay for men not to be manly. I'm not a "manly man," I act more feminine I feel, I've been considering wearing makeup, and I'd like to live in a world where men don't need to be held to a standard, and neither do women or any gender in between or outside of the two.

 

 

Gratz for having such a nice gf.  ;)

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I wouldn't trust government statistics, especially since the past two administrations have tried to make data look better than they really are to preserve "stability".

 

And I have large issues even attempting to fathom how pew's surveys could count as 100% accurate, seeing as surveys by nature rely on assumptions (Their sample sizes make this even worse.) And I would also not be quick to question a group based on political leanings. Remember, a lot of groups in the US tend to have clear political allegiances, whether they realize it or not.

 

As for Anita's claims, first, sexism affects everyone. Gender need not apply. Second, women like her are exactly why feminism is dying and why legitimate victims may have their legitimate pleas ignored. One need not look farther than places governed by Islamic Extremism to see the truth. Fuck Anita Sarkeesian and all those like her.

 

Well CHS was attacking things the president was saying, so I don't know, man... I don't know...

 

I agree completely with your last paragraph. What are 3rd wave feminists doing about real oppression of women under Islam? Nothing. What did they have to say about Rotherham? Nothing.

It's almost like they don't actually care about women...

Are they maybe... MISOGYNIST!?!?!?

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Maybe I missed it but no one brought up the fact that the new CEO of AMD is a woman Dr. Su.  I didn't hear anyone she can't be a CEO because she's a woman.  Although I did hear people bitch about how she's making less money than Rory Read(but if anyone knows AMDs situation they would understand.)

 

If Intel wants to help women come into tech related jobs throw money at scholarships.  Throw money at schools for computer classes.   What they are doing is just throwing money into the air or just burning it thinking it will get the good pr when it will do just the exact opposite.

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Here is something you may find interesting. This is the man who produces Feminist Frequency.

 

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Here is something you may find interesting. This is the man who produces Feminist Frequency.

 

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Yeah, cognitive dissonance. Powered by Intel looks to become a nice sarcastic meme tag.

The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built that humanity doesn't understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had.

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