Is AMD about to destroy nVidia with the 300 series?

[mrmonmon2]

I bet Nvidia is going to release the 980 ti a week after Amd releases the 390x, let them hold the best gpu title for a little while like they did last time

[Opcode]

I bet Nvidia is going to release the 980 ti a week after Amd releases the 390x, let them hold the best gpu title for a little while like they did last time

The problem with that is the GTX 980 is full featured GM204. So Nvidia would have to launch an entirely new architecture in order for that to happen.

[mrmonmon2]

that's true but NVidia probably just has a storage locker that they pull new graphics cards out as they need, they are probably working on the 1400 series right now

[Unlikelyjoker]

If the leaks are true

Yes

[rockmassif]

Ofc AMD 300 series will beat 980 and 970. Those cards almost have identical performance results with 780-780Ti. Current 900 cards are just efficient that's all, they don't outperform 700 series yet.

 

It is expected from the new AMD card to outperform 980 by %30-35 margin. Then NVIDIA will crush that card with 980Ti. Prices will get lower and everyone will be happy.

[maizenblue]

In the GPU department AMD seems to be about performance and pricing, Nvidia is about slick marketing and "features"(IE gimmicks). That's why I tend to prefer AMD for GPUs. AMD seems poised to leapfrog Nvidia with the 390x. Eventually Nvidia will catch up, probably sooner than rather than later.

 

You can bet that once Nvidia does catch up with a 20nm card of their own the marketing and hyped up rollout will have their fanboys in a frenzy.

[GloriousPain]

Yeah I think AMD's gonna make those guys who rushed to buy the 970 regret it fairly quickly 

I doubt they will beat NVidia.

 

Their 300 series is probably gonna take a shitton of power and run crazily hot.

You do realize AMD's new architecture is nearly as efficient as Maxwell right (on same process node)?! 20nm also increases efficiency as does HBM giving AMD the advantage theoretically let's see how things go, oh and incase of somehow they F it up, rumors are also saying AMD's gonna have a reference model watercooled as an option so this time they even have a better cooler...  You're being really really pessimistic

[Octavialicious]

I hope so. AMD has nothing new going on for processors, so hopefully they can do some magic in the gpu world

[Cybertism]

I cant believe people are predicting performance about future GPU's...

I have leaked images from Gabe Newells up coming GPU project, its called the STEAM GT 9000x.

 

[wrath]

Well i reaally hope that AMD will take on nVidia

btw i like both of them but i hope AMD will give a hard time to nVidia

[Tam3n]

We just want moaar transistors.

[terrytek]

Ofc AMD 300 series will beat 980 and 970. Those cards almost have identical performance results with 780-780Ti. Current 900 cards are just efficient that's all, they don't outperform 700 series yet.

 

It is expected from the new AMD card to outperform 980 by %30-35 margin. Then NVIDIA will crush that card with 980Ti. Prices will get lower and everyone will be happy.

What are you talking about? Maxwell has less power and more performance. OFC it beats the 700 series. They even proved it.

[Mkfish]

I really really really reaally really hope so. Like seriously. For the entertainment value, and also so I have an excuse to buy a new GPU.

[dylan43270]

I cant believe people are predicting performance about future GPU's...

I have leaked images from Gabe Newells up coming GPU project, its called the STEAM GT 9000x.

Not trying to offend you, but that is actually the 9001x series.

[rockmassif]

What are you talking about? Maxwell has less power and more performance. OFC it beats the 700 series. They even proved it.

I said efficient already. That doesn't make it magically better than 700 series.

 

980 is roughly equal to 780Ti and 970 is roughly equal to 780. Go check some benchmarks, you don't have to take my word for it.

 

Here let me help you;

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/03/14/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-780-ghz-edition-review/

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2014/09/19/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-review/

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_970_strix_review,1.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_780_directcu_ii_review,1.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7492/the-geforce-gtx-780-ti-review

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_980_Gaming/1.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_Ti_Gaming/1.html

 

Do you honestly believe that they beat 700 series GPUs in every game by a noticeable margin? Especially when you look high resolution benchmarks there is not even a difference... 900 series might be scoring better at 1080P gaming in some situations but honestly they fall quickly when you increase the resolution. I would say at best there maybe only overall %10 difference, and that's a maybe.

[Guest]

by the nature of getting smaller (20nm) it will use less power. The only reasons people have this perception of AMD running warm is the R9 stock cooler issue.

 

This. It's funny how many people don't seem to remember Fermi and the heat/noise that those cards produced. Basically every aftermarket R9 290 runs totally fine and power consumption is not as bad as people make it out to be (R9 290 = gtx 780ti in this regard, and I don't see too many people "warning" other from buying a 780ti).

 

980ti won't happen, the "ti" cards are fully unlocked chips, but the "small" 980 is already fully unlocked. We'll probably see a new titan after the R9 390x releases, and then the 1000-series from Nvidia featuring the big Maxwell chips. Then we'll see a "gimped" titan as a 1080 and a fully unlocked, titan-esque performance card (without double precision and maybe with less VRAM) as the 1080ti.

[whitedragon101]

 

Do you honestly believe that they beat 700 series GPUs in every game by a noticeable margin?

 

I took your link and crunched the numbers comparing a 780 against the 980.  We don't have a 980ti yet to compare against the 780ti.  I also only took the 4k results as you mentioned the high resolutions.

 

bit-tech 980 review

 

Battlefield 4 @ 4k

980 = 41 fps = +24%

780 = 31 fps

 

Bioshock Infinite 4k

980 = 43 fps = + 24%

780 = 33 fps

 

crysis 3 4k

980 = 23 fps = +17%

780 = 19 fps

 

skyrim V 4k

980 = 72 fps = +11%

780 = 64 fps

 

unigine valley 1.0 1440p (They didn't have a 4K benchmark)

980 = 3047 = +18%

780 = 2487

 

So the 980 was 24%, 24%, 17%, 11%, 18% faster.  The average improvement is therefore 19% .

 

 Especially when you look high resolution benchmarks there is not even a difference... 900 series might be scoring better at 1080P gaming in some situations but honestly they fall quickly when you increase the resolution. 

 

I ran the bit-tech numbers for 1080p and I won't put them all here but the average improvement is 18%.  Which means that as you go to the higher resolutions the gap actually very slightly widens between the 780 and 980.  (1% could also be considered a margin of error )

[rockmassif]

980 is roughly equal to 780Ti and 970 is roughly equal to 780.

 

Did you read this at all? Like literally?

 

Why do you even try to show me the difference between 980 and 780 while I already said that 780 is roughly equal to 970. Where is the logic in that...

[typographie]

This is a really dumb argument. Maxwell cards are enormously superior to Kepler in performance per Watt, but since Nvidia opted not to grace us with a SKU in the 200-250 Watt range, the products we actually have are cheaper ways to get 780 and 780 Ti performance levels.

 

I'm aware I'm pointing out that obvious, but that seems to be what this thread calls for.

[whitedragon101]

Did you read this at all? Like literally?

 

Why do you even try to show me the difference between 980 and 780 while I already said that 780 is roughly equal to 970. Where is the logic in that...

 

Because comparing a 780ti to a 980 is not a direct comparison

 

If you want to compare a 780ti to something you need to wait for a 980ti

 

You continually say 700 series and 900 series.  Model for model the 900 series are faster by a noticeable margin.  We don't have the full set yet to do a 780ti to 980ti.  But the 970 and 980 are improvements.

[rockmassif]

you need to wait for a 980ti

 

Assuming that it will ever be released... Yeah, then we'll talk.

[whitedragon101]

Assuming that it will ever be released... Yeah, then we'll talk.

 

We had to wait for a 780ti it stands to reason we will have to wait for the 980ti . Although with all the problems maybe they will shake up the normal release pattern.

[winningsince1337]

Regardless of what camp you're from and how hard of a fan boy you are, competition is good. It's simple economics, competition leads to lower prices and better products. AMD will release something that beats the 980 and then nvidia will lower prices and release something that beast whatever AMD launches. Remember the 780? and then 290x launched and prices were severely cut and we saw the 780ti. All of this helped the consumer and cut down on nVidia's price gouging.

[whitedragon101]

Regardless of what camp you're from and how hard of a fan boy you are, competition is good. It's simple economics, competition leads to lower prices and better products. AMD will release something that beats the 980 and then nvidia will lower prices and release something that beast whatever AMD launches. Remember the 780? and then 290x launched and prices were severely cut and we saw the 780ti. All of this helped the consumer and cut down on nVidia's price gouging.

 

As long as both nVidia and AMD implement a good Virtual Reality SLI mode I don't mind who wins

[rockmassif]

We had to wait for a 780ti it stands to reason we will have to wait for the 980ti . Although with all the problems maybe they will shake up the normal release pattern.

You're saying it like we always get a Ti version of the top GPU. Did they release 680Ti, 580Ti or a 480Ti? No.

 

Maybe we will only have 960Ti and something like 985 or 990? How can you assume that waiting will result in 980Ti being released. I just don't understand that.