The FBI, NSA are spying on you!

[Lyons]

At least I don't have kangaroo crossings and koalas in my backyard.

Hey, that's the best part, it's drop bears you need to look out for (if you're not Australian).

[Blingy]

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

- Benjamin Franklin

[Guest]

i put everything in quotes for a reason its not everything but it sounds better that way even if it is an overstatement by miles

 

this has been posted to some extent aand i think that the document that was found is of more/other importance

 

 

The Guardian has a leeked document stating that Verizon will hand over details about their customer's calls(maybe you) such as:

 

• Comprehensive communications routing information.
• Including but not limited to session identifying information (e.g., originating and terminating telephone number
• International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI) number
• International Mobile station Equipment Identity (IMEI) number, etc.)
• Trunk identifier
• Telephone calling card numbers
• And time and duration of call.

 

http://www.eteknix.com/verizon-no-more-privacy-for-customers/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order

 

 

leeked document : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/verizon-telephone-data-court-order

[Wingingchase]

gotta love that american gestapo. Can't wait til we'll be arrested for hating government officials

[EricX2]

Well your "Land of the Free" is disturbing people who actually are living freely. No wonder why a lot of people hate America

It's OK if they hate our government but not our country. I did not chose to make these laws and do not agree with them and I guarantee anybody with a brain here (which is a lot of us) feel the same way!

[Snickerzz]

its not news anymore, its advertisement 

[911^NEmeSis]

part of the reason why i don't have facebook, and strongly guard my privacy on the internet although my iphone could be sending information without me even knowing:( and that is disturbing since i LOVE privacy:)

Same here mate. I don't use Facebook and like other people should, keep information about them online to a safe level.

 

Also though this is happening in the USA, it's more than likely happening around elsewhere as well. Perhaps I'm being watched posting this...

[Slater]

As a few people here have pointed out there's no such thing as "privacy" anymore..at least not online anyways. But even in real life you're being monitored via security cameras and such so its not really like we have any privacy when we go out anyways. The cameras are there for our safety and we all want to feel safe out in the streets and in public and such...though i wonder if that's all they're there for...makes me kind of think of Person of Interest if anybody watches that show. :P

[KOtech]

 

[Donut417]

What scares me most is the government acknowledged that this program exists. When does the US government ever tell the truth. I'm more comfortable when my government lies to me. But, is any one actually surprised? In the back of my mind I always thought the NSA was tracking everything any way. For any one who remembers the movie Enemy of the State with Will Smith, Gene Hackman, and Jon Voight, should remember Jon Voight's character said privacy was dead and that the only privacy left was in your own head. I would have to agree with that statement. 

[ExDreamer]

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[vredstein]

I wrote this on another forum and I'm repeat it here. Obama is meeting with the Chinese leader to try to get them to stop their cyber spying program, meanwhile, the United States government is doing the same thing to their own people, the same people who elected them into power in the first place. Obama criticized the previous administration for overstepping their authority and he promised "transparency". That went out the window very quickly. Just to be clear, I'm sure it's not just Obama. If he has lost either election, whoever won would be doing the same. It's not a political party-specific disease. Invasion of privacy is a form of suffering and it's the population, the citizens who suffer, no matter what their political party, urban or city, men and women, rich or poor.

[Glenwing]

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[Uni]

What this comes down to is 'do you trust your Government'? and I don't mean do you trust them to fulfil your interests, but do you trust them to use this information to prosecute and or prevent people who/from breaking the law, rather than for keeping tabs on people to fulfil more sinister motives. Personally I have a preference my continued existence and safety over whether someone working for some Government department whom I will likely never meet knows some likely trivial facts about my person. For me I like the idea that I (but more importantly everyone else) is being monitored, and while this is the US and not the UK where I live I would like for a similar system to be in place. Then again I broadly agree with the laws of the Country I am in and don't think the Government or Law Enforcement agencies are running around trying to silence me. Privacy from my Neighbours and Peers? sure! Privacy from the Law? Give me more Cameras and monitoring any day. 

[Legion]

LOL says you..

 

Media phones tapped conservative groups harassed by the I.R.S..A president with no American Birth certificate that is Muslim..20 million Illegals about to become citizens..Bengazi..Legal drone strike on american citizens without any kind of trial..And Mr Osama not knowing about anything until he sees it on the news...lol.He just found out he was married the other day when he watched the news... :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

In all seriousness, American's talk about needing their guns to protect them from the government, Shouldn't you be out protesting or writing to your senators if you find your government such a disgrace. It amazes me how much American's sit around and complain about their government but don't do anything about it, I wonder do they realise the country is supposed to be a democracy.

 

Now if you do actually engage in active campaigning and protesting all power to you. But most American's I see moaning have never stepped foot outside their front door to make a stand.

[Donut417]

 

 

 

In all seriousness, American's talk about needing their guns to protect them from the government, Shouldn't you be out protesting or writing to your senators if you find your government such a disgrace. It amazes me how much American's sit around and complain about their government but don't do anything about it, I wonder do they realise the country is supposed to be a democracy.

 

Now if you do actually engage in active campaigning and protesting all power to you. But most American's I see moaning have never stepped foot outside their front door to make a stand.

 

Actually America is a federal republic. Write and calling our congressmen will do nothing, until the democrats and republicans take a few decades off. The political parties and lobbyist are the issue. The issue also is, the government does not fear its citizens. Unless we have guns, but then again the government has bigger and better guns. 

 

“When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty. ― Thomas Jefferson

As far as what the government is doing with this surveillance, does any believe this is a recent thing. This has probably been going on since WW2 or the cold war in some way shape or form. Any one ever hear about COG (continuity of government) its a plan that President Eisenhower put in to effect in case the federal government was ever taken out. It basically puts people in charge that the president chooses, these people are not elected and COG pretty much suspends the Constitution's power. I wonder what our founding fathers would think about the state of our country now? 

[JaeDee884]

Personally I don't care about my privacy, I'm a very outgoing and open person, but I know this matters for others, and I'm all for the right to have privacy if you want it. not everyone is comfortable being so public, and no one should force them to be so. 

[Rhizo]

Tin foil hat: ACTIVATED

[Ashratt]

lol and still privacy is often considered backwards and uncool, and if you voice any privacy/data protection concerns you'll just get a "get your tinfoil hat off" remark. (at least that's what i have seen online from american users)

[Uni]

Personally I don't care about my privacy, I'm a very outgoing and open person, but I know this matters for others, and I'm all for the right to have privacy if you want it. not everyone is comfortable being so public, and no one should force them to be so. 

 

But what you have to take into consideration is the difference privacy from your peers and privacy from Government. There are many opinions I hold about individuals for instance that I want to keep private, but when it comes to privacy from Government - by which I mean law enforcement agencies for example - it's a different story. The key line is 'those who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear'. The CIA/FBI don't care about your porn habits, or whether you like your mother-in-law, what they do care about is whether you're a terrorist threat, or are committing fraud etc. It is in your interest to sacrifice your right privilege to privacy even if you don't think it is, because it will aid is solving and preventing crimes which could ultimately and significantly be beneficial to you.

[Guest]

Hi guy, so I don't know how much you guys have been paying attention to the news recently however if you're unaware the precense of a  large scale digital surveillance system run by the NSA & US Government has been leaked by a top level NSA officer. Here's a video sort of explaining most of it:

 

 

 

What are your thoughts? Personally I knew they had the ability as it's the US government in the 21st century however I didn't realise that it was to such a large scale that everything was analysed. Anonymity and privacy in anything digital to me is gone. 

[WhatARoaster]

Privacy has been dead for a long time now.

 

 

EDIT: Of worthy note http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

[Fetzie]

I've been paying enough attention to know that there are already half a dozen threads on this forum alone concerning PRISM and its applications.

[Guest]

I've been paying enough attention to know that there are already half a dozen threads on this forum alone concerning PRISM and its applications.

That'd be IPB's dodgy search function doing it's magic I guess.. Didn't return anything for me.. 

[bradscoolio]

I think Americans can do what ever the hell they want with their own data, but if they ever so much as sniff my packets I'll slap them in the face.

 

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