Why the FCC will probably ignore the public on network neutrality

[Jerakl]

Welcome back Askew

 

I am just happy I live in the Netherlands, I don't see my gov screwing me over 

Ripples. I was about to say the same because I live in Canada. But then I realized that how the US acts tends to set a standard for the rest of the world. If they let companies act badly, then the rest of the world may follow.

[Jerakl]

Can you please explain to me why do people living in America have so much hate for communism? Do they even know what is the ultimate goal of socialist society? I understand that there are some bad examples from the past because it was not done right but the final stage of socialist society is utopia while capitalism benefits only minority of the people who rise to the top and they exploit the working class for their own agenda. 

Because Cold War and russians and stuff. And maybe China.

 

Utopia through communism is impossible. Just sayin'. It's a great concept, but impossible.

[patrickjp93]

I honestly hope they wake the fuck up and don't do this shit.

So sick of the government thinking it has the right to just do whatever the hell it wants instead of following public opinion...you know, like it's supposed to? Why the hell do we claim to be a democracy anymore?

The government is supposed to be the slaves of a populace as stupid as the American one? Oh that's a laugh. While I admit the FCc should follow public opinion on this one and force the increase in speed requirements to meet broadband, the American people are barely capable of wiping their own asses. There's a reason only the very rich or very connected make it to higher office. It's survival of the fittest.

[Lays]

Major ISPs will always be complete shit. What we really need is more municipal fiber to take place. Chattanooga, TN got massive boosts once they got local gigabit internet and the more this BS goes on, the more incentive communities have to give these giants the finger. 

 

 

Dont those companies still use some of the major ISP's servers to get their traffic around etc?

[Mooshi]

Dont those companies still use some of the major ISP's servers to get their traffic around etc?

 

As far as I'm aware of it's all locally controlled. Treated more like a utility than anything else. After Chattanooga got their fiber in place, they got a huge tech boom. These politicians are clueless. By taking blood money from lobbyists and hurting their own communities, tech start ups will not care for their city and move elsewhere that does. Anti consumer practices like this are only hurting communities and the local governments are to blame for caving into pressure, more so than the FCC not being more aggressive towards net neutrality. The "too big to fail" mentality is outdated and these dinosaur ISPs know it. Detroit is nicknamed America's ghetto when it was once a jewel of industry- nothing is too big to fail. I'm in support of local communities getting together since I've lost hope for the FCC and ISPs a long time ago.

 

Unfortunately, the pressure is so strong that some states are flat out forbidden to even do municipal fiber and must give into these giant monopolies in exchange of a promise these ISPs will cover their entire region so long as local doesn't compete. You would think practices like this would have the FCC crashing down on these ISPs, but it feels like the monster is too powerful to stop and even worse, Comcast still wants to merge with Time Warner for even more control.

[Tonylu1595]

Democracy is just a mask. I think we have a higher organization making decisions for us, and everything is just pieces to a larger plan. Or I just listen to too many conspiracy theorists....

Huh maybe there's a reason why they are ignoring everyone and its not just about money as everyone thinks.

[That Norwegian Guy]

Just a question- I thought America was supposed to be democratic- a government for the people, by the people, and of the people.

 

No, well partly, but democracy takes a backseat to corporate lobbying and both options for voters are varying degrees of right wing extremists.

 

A government for the corporations, fueled by people.

 

It's the passivity of the populace that has allowed it, really.

[vm'N]

Can you please explain to me why do people living in America have so much hate for communism? Do they even know what is the ultimate goal of socialist society? I understand that there are some bad examples from the past because it was not done right but the final stage of socialist society is utopia while capitalism benefits only minority of the people who rise to the top and they exploit the working class for their own agenda.

Propaganda mostly.

[Techhog]

Because Cold War and russians and stuff. And maybe China.

 

Utopia through communism is impossible. Just sayin'. It's a great concept, but impossible.

There's a difference between theoretically possible and actually possible. In practice, socialism >>> capitalism = communism 

 

EDIT: Oh, I see. You guys are thinking that socialism and communism are the same thing. Believe it or not, that mentality is the biggest issue.

 

EDIT 2: I can't read.

[Techhog]

Can you please explain to me why do people living in America have so much hate for communism? Do they even know what is the ultimate goal of socialist society? I understand that there are some bad examples from the past because it was not done right but the final stage of socialist society is utopia while capitalism benefits only minority of the people who rise to the top and they exploit the working class for their own agenda. 

Read my above post. I should have responded to you in the first place. You're confused.

[murratri]

There's a difference between theoretically possible and actually possible. In practice, socialism >>> capitalism = communism 

 

EDIT: Oh, I see. You guys are thinking that socialism and communism are the same thing. Believe it or not, that mentality is the biggest issue.

 

EDIT 2: I can't read.

Capitalism utilizes one of the most inbreed instincts of humans, greed. The greed to want to better yourself forces you to have to better the world in the form of making something new, faster, cheaper, more reliable, etc. However, do not think I completely oppose socialism as I do believe that we should not let the poorest starve while the rich party.

[Techhog]

Capitalism utilizes one of the most inbreed instincts of humans, greed. The greed to want to better yourself forces you to have to better the world in the form of making something new, faster, cheaper, more reliable, etc. However, do not think I completely oppose socialism as I do believe that we should not let the poorest starve while the rich party.

Socialism is something more in-between. It's easier to say that we need a blend of socialism and capitalism, I guess.

[murratri]

Socialism is something more in-between. It's easier to say that we need a blend of socialism and capitalism, I guess.

I am in favor of not allowing the populace to starve, that is it.

[Jerakl]

There's a difference between theoretically possible and actually possible. In practice, socialism >>> capitalism = communism 

 

EDIT: Oh, I see. You guys are thinking that socialism and communism are the same thing. Believe it or not, that mentality is the biggest issue.

 

EDIT 2: I can't read.

What? "I can't read". LOL. Although I get the first edit, the second I do not.

 

Propaganda mostly.

Actually it's because of human greed.

[Mister Snow]

Because Cold War and russians and stuff. And maybe China.

 

Utopia through communism is impossible. Just sayin'. It's a great concept, but impossible.

Yes, I know it's propaganda from the past but why hate communism? You can hate Stalin because they were at war with him and it has nothing to do with a government system. 

 

There's a difference between theoretically possible and actually possible. In practice, socialism >>> capitalism = communism 

 

EDIT: Oh, I see. You guys are thinking that socialism and communism are the same thing. Believe it or not, that mentality is the biggest issue.

 

EDIT 2: I can't read.

Socialism is revolution while communism is a system that country adopts once the revolution has ended. Unfortunately we are not yet ready to live in a utopian society so I would agree with you about it not being actually possible at the moment but it could be done in the future, we are going towards it and internet is the driving force which those at the top are trying to snuff out because they like it up there. While communism is far from ideal, it shows more promise for equality than capitalism. 

 

Capitalism utilizes one of the most inbreed instincts of humans, greed. The greed to want to better yourself forces you to have to better the world in the form of making something new, faster, cheaper, more reliable, etc. However, do not think I completely oppose socialism as I do believe that we should not let the poorest starve while the rich party.

 

 

Socialism is something more in-between. It's easier to say that we need a blend of socialism and capitalism, I guess.

For the time being something in between would be perfect but I don't know how possible that is because there is so much stigma for anything that is not capitalism.

[Jerakl]

Yes, I know it's propaganda from the past but why hate communism? You can hate Stalin because they were at war with him and it has nothing to do with a government system. 

 

Socialism is revolution while communism is a system that country adopts once the revolution has ended. Unfortunately we are not yet ready to live in a utopian society so I would agree with you about it not being actually possible at the moment but it could be done in the future, we are going towards it and internet is the driving force which those at the top are trying to snuff out because they like it up there. While communism is far from ideal, it shows more promise for equality than capitalism. 

 

 

 

For the time being something in between would be perfect but I don't know how possible that is because there is so much stigma for anything that is not capitalism.

UR A COMMUNIST -every ignorant person

 

But seriously, why communism can never create a utopia is because of human greed. No matter what there will always be people who want more. Not to mention corruption. *cough cough* US Government *cough cough*

 

At one time I thought communism would be an interesting path to go down, but with how easily people get corrupted by power/money, I don't think it would last very long.

[Mister Snow]

UR A COMMUNIST -every ignorant person

 

But seriously, why communism can never create a utopia is because of human greed. No matter what there will always be people who want more. Not to mention corruption. *cough cough* US Government *cough cough*

 

At one time I thought communism would be an interesting path to go down, but with how easily people get corrupted by power/money, I don't think it would last very long.

That is true but I still believe we will get there one day (if we survive long enough). If you look at the trend today you can see that there is much more sharing then before.

[Jerakl]

That is true but I still believe we will get there one day (if we survive long enough). If you look at the trend today you can see that there is much more sharing then before.

IMO it's mainly because of trade. If there wasn't so much trading between countries, half of them would probably be destroyed by now.

[Techhog]

Yes, I know it's propaganda from the past but why hate communism? You can hate Stalin because they were at war with him and it has nothing to do with a government system.

Socialism is revolution while communism is a system that country adopts once the revolution has ended. Unfortunately we are not yet ready to live in a utopian society so I would agree with you about it not being actually possible at the moment but it could be done in the future, we are going towards it and internet is the driving force which those at the top are trying to snuff out because they like it up there. While communism is far from ideal, it shows more promise for equality than capitalism.

For the time being something in between would be perfect but I don't know how possible that is because there is so much stigma for anything that is not capitalism.

Yeah, I don't believe in Marxism. Communism can't ever succeed. It's incompatible with human nature.

[Techhog]

That is true but I still believe we will get there one day (if we survive long enough). If you look at the trend today you can see that there is much more sharing then before.

Well, having dreams is nice. I suggest that you start reading up on other economic and political theories.

[Techhog]

What? "I can't read". LOL. Although I get the first edit, the second I do not.

Actually it's because of human greed.

I thought that you said "possible"

[jezza39]

Yeah, I don't believe in Marxism. Communism can't ever succeed. It's incompatible with human nature.

 

Absolutely right, there will always be the haves and the have nots. Why bother to succeed in your profession when everything is shared?

 

But anyway, all politicians listen too are the people who fill their election coffers, which is usually some lobby group. Then to top it all off, a career politician rather than someone from teh industry that understands things is put in the post. 

[Mister Snow]

IMO it's mainly because of trade. If there wasn't so much trading between countries, half of them would probably be destroyed by now.

Isn't that the point, for all countries to merge and to operate on a planetary level one day? You can google 3 types of civilization for that theory.

 

Yeah, I don't believe in Marxism. Communism can't ever succeed. It's incompatible with human nature.

While most likely true, there is no real reason to paint communism as something evil and bad as it is done to this day which is why I started this conversation. 

 

Well, having dreams is nice. I suggest that you start reading up on other economic and political theories.

Well, I do not expect for that sort of system to become popular anytime soon if at all but one can hope which does not mean that I won't research other real possibilities.

The point of all this is that corporations in USA have been given too much power and they abuse it because there is no one bigger to stop them. System isn't functioning for the working class and it needs to change. It doesn't have to be some revolutionary grand change, just putting a stop on legal bribes to government parties. 

[Jerakl]

Isn't that the point, for all countries to merge and to operate on a planetary level one day? You can google 3 types of civilization for that theory.

Starfleet anyone?

I like how we managed to derail this thread into a discussion about communism. LOL

[zanduh]

Isn't that the point, for all countries to merge and to operate on a planetary level one day? You can google 3 types of civilization for that theory.

 

While most likely true, there is no real reason to paint communism as something evil and bad as it is done to this day which is why I started this conversation. 

 

Well, I do not expect for that sort of system to become popular anytime soon if at all but one can hope which does not mean that I won't research other real possibilities.

The point of all this is that corporations in USA have been given too much power and they abuse it because there is no one bigger to stop them. System isn't functioning for the working class and it needs to change. It doesn't have to be some revolutionary grand change, just putting a stop on legal bribes to government parties. 

 

I agree people unjustly vilify communism. However it is a system that simply can't work due to greed. People will work the least amount to get their share under a system that doesn't reward you for extra work. And officials will always at some level abuse the system to get more than their fair share. 

 

As for the failings in the capitalism of the United States. This is where Keynesian economists will argue (and I agree) that government intervention is a necessary regulator for the economy. Without regulation, keynesians argue that operating 'solely for one's own interest' doesn't work. If you believe this theory then the evidence would be that the government needs to take serious action against lobbying that otherwise hinders the flow of demands created by the average household.