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"Let's all bash AMD even though we really have very little insight into what the final product will actually be..." 

 

I understand many of us enjoy a good discussion speculating about new/up-coming products, but I'm getting really tired of this.  <_<

I'm there with you, it's getting silly. Let's all wait for someone to have a physical card outside of embargo and run controlled tests on it shall we?


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God I hope this isn't true, if it is AMD really needs to sort out their heating on the chips (GPU and CPU) in stead of just throwing bigger coolers on top of it.


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AMD: Because we can't air cool for shit 

I'de love for AMD to partner with noctua and make an air cooler to end them all just to shut people like you up.

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I'de love for AMD to partner with noctua and make an air cooler to end them all just to shut people like you up.

 

Shut me up for what? Saying something that is true? 

AMD has heat and TDP problems up the wazoo. They don't really speak efficiency at all. 

Did I touch a nerve there? 

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I dont think I would buy a GPU that is partially liquid cooled. If I want liquid cooling I will go all 9 yards and incorporate it into a loop.

 

AMD really needs to get their thermals under control before I will consider them a real option.


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Shut me up for what? Saying something that is true? 

AMD has heat and TDP problems up the wazoo. They don't really speak efficiency at all. 

Did I touch a nerve there? 

 

I've had a 780 ti (reference) until 3 days ago and now i have a crossfire 280x toxic. Both setups stayed at 80-84 degrees and this in a mid tower with decent but limited airflow where you would expect the single card to stay much cooler. How is nvidia so much better? It's been proven time and time again nvidia's tdp ratings don't hold up in real world scenarios and that AMD often overrates by 10-20 tdp at least.

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I've had a 780 ti (reference) until 3 days ago and now i have a crossfire 280x toxic. Both setups stayed at 80-84 degrees and this in a mid tower with decent but limited airflow where you would expect the single card to stay much cooler. How is nvidia so much better? It's been proven time and time again nvidia's tdp ratings don't hold up in real world scenarios and that AMD often overrates by 10-20 tdp at least.

LOLOLOL you are comparing  the Nvidia reference flagship card, to the AMD mid-high range card with an aftermarket cooler and you believe that is a legitimate test?


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I dont really understand all this AMD hate... if this was NVIDIA post about them bringing refference liquid cooler I can already see you praising them for how awesome they are...

 

If this is going to be liquid cooler then it is probably because AMD is not able to figure out how to make decent stock air cooler. They may decided to f*ck it ... we are going liquid.. less work with developing decent air cooler (maybe more expensive) but a lot more efficient.

 

And if you dont want their liquid cooler... Guys? Did you forget about Sapphire, Gigabyte, MSI, ASUS, .... ????


 

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LOLOLOL you are comparing  the Nvidia reference flagship card, to the AMD mid-high range card with an aftermarket cooler and you believe that is a legitimate test?

 

If anything thats SAD that his 280x is sitting at 80-84. It shouldn't be. It really shouldn't. 

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If anything thats SAD that his 280x is sitting at 80-84. It shouldn't be. It really shouldn't. 

I was thinking the same thing... 

 

There is no arguing that the AMD thermals are way out of control.


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I'de love for AMD to partner with noctua and make an air cooler to end them all just to shut people like you up.

Haha. I hope you know a cooler can only go so far. A terrible architecture still pumps out a lot of energy to kill the chip, no matter your cooler.


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It's a rumor, so I don't care.


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I dont really understand all this AMD hate... if this was NVIDIA post about them bringing refference liquid cooler I can already see you praising them for how awesome they are...

 

If this is going to be liquid cooler then it is probably because AMD is not able to figure out how to make decent stock air cooler. They may decided to f*ck it ... we are going liquid.. less work with developing decent air cooler (maybe more expensive) but a lot more efficient.

 

And if you dont want their liquid cooler... Guys? Did you forget about Sapphire, Gigabyte, MSI, ASUS, .... ????

I have no hate for AMD, I ran an AMD cpu for several years, and AMD GPU's for a couple years as well. But with this particular architecture the thermals are way out of whack. And since I can wander over to the Nvidia camp and get a card with similar or better performance that has reasonable thermal control at an albeit premium price, I find that be be a better decision. 


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I have no hate for AMD, I ran an AMD cpu for several years, and AMD GPU's for a couple years as well. But with this particular architecture the thermals are way out of whack. And since I can wander over to the Nvidia camp and get a card with similar or better performance that has reasonable thermal control at an albeit premium price, I find that be be a better decision. 

You're paying for your card to not melt. Seems like a fair trade honestly.


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what are people hating on amd so much? so what if they run hotter if they slap on a liquid cooler that solves all the problems. i think nvidia fans are still butt hurt over the failure of the titan z. if amd puts on liquid cooling i will praise them if nvidia puts on liquid cooling i will praise them as well because they are truly making gpus for the enthusiast. and with the liquid cooling they get lower temps than nvidia cards 


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Very interesting from a speculation stand point. If this really is a design for the new R9 390x looks like AMD listened and noticed how horribly bad their stock cooling has been on non dual cards for awhile now. 6970/7970/290(x) have all had that awful blower which was barely enough for the 6970. Also possible CLC on the stock card? Thats veerryyyy interesting. Possible really high clocks out of the gate? Well one thing is for certain if they do include CLC's on all flag ship products we can finally put the Hot and loud business to rest. Regardless of it "needing" a CLC to work. It will be both cool and quite compared to blower cards. 

 

All speculation of course, but looks very interesting. I await release and benchmarks. 


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what are people hating on amd so much? so what if they run hotter if they slap on a liquid cooler that solves all the problems. i think nvidia fans are still butt hurt over the failure of the titan z. if amd puts on liquid cooling i will praise them if nvidia puts on liquid cooling i will praise them as well because they are truly making gpus for the enthusiast. and with the liquid cooling they get lower temps than nvidia cards 

Why should you need to put a better cooler on their card when Nvidia is doing perfectly fine? They need to fix their heat problems first.


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AMD: Because we can't air cool for shit 

 

God I hope this isn't true, if it is AMD really needs to sort out their heating on the chips (GPU and CPU) in stead of just throwing bigger coolers on top of it.

 

Shut me up for what? Saying something that is true? 

AMD has heat and TDP problems up the wazoo. They don't really speak efficiency at all. 

Did I touch a nerve there? 

 

I dont think I would buy a GPU that is partially liquid cooled. If I want liquid cooling I will go all 9 yards and incorporate it into a loop.

 

AMD really needs to get their thermals under control before I will consider them a real option.

 

Hence my earlier post. :rolleyes:  The source for the article, most would agree and often complain about, isn't known for providing reliable information to begin with. So take said info and images with a grain of salt, people.

 

It is completely true that AMD parts (CPUs and GPUs) do have higher TDP, but I would argue very strongly, that they do not necessarily operate at higher temps, in every scenario. TDP and operating temperatures are two different things. 

 

AMD has very clearly been improving it's products as of late with regards to TDP and efficiency.

-Kaveri APUs - especially the A8-7600 with 45 and 65 watt configurable TDP.

-The new Tonga GPU with lower TDP and less heat without loosing any performance.

 

They don't have TDP or thermal "problems", nor are they "out of control". It's only a problem if the parts cannot operate within the designed parameters with the necessary supporting components (same goes for Intel) - and they do so just fine. The FX-9000 CPUs are beasts when it comes to TDP and it should be understood by the user that that particular part requires substantial cooling and power-delivery solutions. Failure to recognize this and use inadequate supportive components is not AMD's problem, it's user ignorance. It's no different than someone trying to overclock a K series Intel CPU using the stock cooler with a cheap motherboard and either cooking the CPU or have the CPU throttle as a result. The majority of the time, CPUs aren't being heavily loaded and thus aren't operating/drawing anywhere near the rated TDP. It's only during stress-testing and benchmarking that they are pushed towards that limit - and even still, they may not necessarily draw that peak TDP. (See Linus's TechQuickie video on TDP). 

 

That being said, we're not even talking about CPUs. We're talking about GPUs. Since when have AMD's GPUs been known to run super hot and have way higher TDP compared to Nvidia? Not in recent generations (GTX 6XX and HD 7XXX or later). Reference cards almost always run hotter (and louder) from both companies, and not many people run them, so that isn't even relevant - except with the top-teir dual GPU cards - which IMO, AMD has won and hit it out of the park with their 295X2's AIO cooler design. Why? Because water cooling keeps temps much lower, more stable and on top of that; it also won't sound like a hair dryer and pump hot air inside your case.

 

Shouldn't need to talk about cost, but as we all know ~$1000 to $1500 for two 290X's on water is an incredible deal compared to the Titan Z at $3000+. The argument can be made that the Titan Z has a lower TDP and uses less power, but really, the massive price difference simply cannot make up for that. Another argument can be made that the Titan Z isn't even meant to be an enthusiast gaming card, which means the 295X2 stands alone as king and really has no competition (technically). And if that's the case, considering it's raw pixel-pushing performance, you can't say it's TDP or cooling solution is ridiculous. There's no other card to compare it to and it's a totally reasonable cooling solution for a card with this caliber of graphics horsepower.

 

I recently added water cooling to my gaming rig on both the CPU and GPU (specs in sig) and all I can say is; water cooling is awesome! My PC no longer sounds like an A380 taking off while playing games and temps are 20-30 degrees lower than they were before, running on all air. The overclock on my voltage-locked GPU is more stable as well. So while you all complain they used water cooling on a card with two 290X GPUs, I say; good on them for providing a superior cooling solution that will deliver smooth and stable performance and won't sound like a hairdryer. When you're shelling out that kind of cash for a GPU, you want it to perform reliably and I, for one, would not want it to be loud if it doesn't need to be.

 

You see, a lot of this has to do with context, perception and personal preference. I'm not an AMD fanboy. I agree they have some serious work to do to catch up to Intel on the CPU side. On the GPU side, they are doing really well competing against Nvidia and it will be a very interesting GPU race over the next couple generations as both companies push to increase efficiency and performance per watt. The fact that Sapphire just released the ITX version of the R9-285 shows that that level of performance from AMD is easily provided and sufficiently cooled in that size of form factor and blows your "AMD has TDP/thermal problems" myths right out of the water. They clearly don't and are clearly working to improve that aspect of their products. 

 

Personally, I highly doubt the R9-390/X will have an included AIO cooler, knowing AMD is making an effort to increase efficiency. But I can't say what they are really planning because the truth is; we don't know and we'll all have to wait and see. 

 

 

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I don't think that this will be true.

 

It wouldn't be a good decision as it would drive up the price and annoy the crossfire users.

As a enthusiast version of the 390X it might make sense.

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