windows 9 recent leaks, all the details so far

[Utopia]

I will never be satisfied until a new Windows is released that's just a better Windows 7.

[2boo4you]

the first thing when i instaled windows8 is I instaled start is back, it just makes sense windows 9 should be windows 8

[Tthecreator]

on one side, i hope microsoft fixes their shit becouse than we have a nice os again(as far as windows go's *grums*) following the bad,good,bad,good algorithm

on the other side, i hope microsoft screws up again, so the market goes further to linux and with that steam os. if it is going to fail, i hope steam os will we out short after(no confirmation yet here).

I think windows at it's core is not really the best system, becouse it has a terrible root acces and permission system, a virus/hacker can break trough EXTREMELY easy!!!!, than it's microsoft, and i don't really like that my daily driver is run by such a company.

blablabla....fanboys...blablabla......

still i'd use both(as i'm using both windows and linux now) and am curious what's going to be the dominating platform.

[The Robot]

Looks awesome, I cant wait.

[GoodBytes]

I think windows at it's core is not really the best system, becouse it has a terrible root acces and permission system, a virus/hacker can break trough EXTREMELY easy!!!!

So far, it has not been broken. And that is very impressive, considering that it appeared since Vista, and Windows is so widely used.

Then again, maybe hackers don't need to break it, because users allows malware/virus infections when prompted. Sure you can say that Microsoft should do like Linux/Unix where it needs to enter a password every time, but then the massive majority of people will complain. Already, people freaked out with Vista, and despite attempts to diminish the prompts by default, people still complain. So, there is no magic solution, sadly.

[wrath]

Why is that?

well it doesnt have all that much more features at least not something dramatical besides the start screen but maybe after some time they will add something else too so yea untill that .

thats only an oppinion

 

and btw besides the start screen i didnt have any problem with win8.1 but thats only me

[GoodBytes]

well it doesnt have all that much more features at least not something dramatical besides the start screen but maybe after some time they will add something else too so yea untill that .

thats only an oppinion

But how do you know that?

Was Windows Vista, just instant search and glass? Was Windows 7 just a large task bar? And how Windows 8? Just a start screen and flat look?

'because from pictures, that is what they really are. The reality is that each OS is blasted with features, and improvements, but you you'll never know that until the official retail release. Even when the preview (alpha version) will be released in September 30th (at least, expected), the GUI won't be done, features won't be done, and like always more than half the features will be kept under closed doors, and slowly released at each preview updates.

[Klefth]

Loving those borderless Windows, and I'm really, really intrigued about that notification center; it could be a wonderful thing to have, or a terrible steaming pile... we'll see. One thing I do not like right at first glance, though, is that the start menu is tiny again; I hope there's a toggle between that and the full screen menu from 8, because I find that a lot more practical since I have enough space to organize everything there instead ever having to use desktop shortcuts.

 

I will never be satisfied until a new Windows is released that's just a better Windows 7.

8. But of course, that's subjective. Some people still preferred XP over anything else. Heck, some even like Vista...

[wrath]

yea you are right

i only meant it on what ive seen so far and obviously there will be some other things there ,and i only meant it on what ive seen so far

i know that they dont call it win 9 (threshold) for nothing

[IdeaStormer]

Every version of Windows, have a HUGE list of improvements and new features. If you look at screen shots and not really the full list of of changes, then that is not my problem.

 

Well you're right its not your problem that I don't see any changes other than icons and old features being brought back as an improvement or that 3rd party apps did some of those improvements for years, in the same way its not our problem that you think an icon change is a huge improvement, you might want to look for the Icon editor and see how anyone can change an icon.

[niksy]

Fingers crossed for return of Aero. Oh, and the borderless thing... that just looks bad :mellow:

[Tydroza]

YESSS a start button christ 
and i hope that starting screen when you press windows key is gone too
it was annoying 

 

[GoodBytes]

YESSS a start button christ 

and i hope that starting screen when you press windows key is gone too

it was annoying

Was always there.

[flibberdipper]

So great estetic changes and 1 feature which is not really a feature since its nothing new >start menu.

 

So what are the actual features/improvements?

-Does windows perform better?

-Does it have better protection?

-Does it finally have a revamped /improved media player that i dont need to setup with a thousand settings to look good like madVR and i dont have to install so many codecs?

-Does it have directx12?

-Does it actually have more customization?till now its still imposible for me to change windows8.1 startup sound,yes thats right i tried all registry hacks n stuff you cant even do that.

-Does it allow for a much easier implementation of custom themes? and why doesnt windows already feature built-in dark theme.And NO im not gonna use high contrast stupidity themes.We need actual Dark theme for windows built-in like Visual Studio express dark theme an example,or photoshop,everythings dark gray theme.

-Did it get rid of the winSxs folder which is eating a ton of SSD space?

-Does it use less ram yet?i still dont get it how win xp got away with as little as 100mb ram idle usage, and all vista/7/8 can do is 1gb and above and thats with no extra prog installed or running,even with a classic theme and no wallpapers.

 

Guess no real improvements/features.

You seriously can't spare just under 4GB? And did you ever stop to think that Windows may need it to run? Even with everything I need installed and copied onto my SSD, I still have 78GB free on an SSD with roughly 111GB altogether (120GB EVO).

[EChondo]

Looking great so far, hopefully the design changes a bit hehe.

 

On a sidenote, I've been playing around with Windows 8.1 for around 3-4 months now and after installing Classic Shell, most of my complaints disappeared. I don't like nor want to use Metro/Modern and to be honest I don't use the Start Menu enough to justify the removal of Metro/Modern, but having a small menu in the corner as opposed to a big one that takes up all my screen real estate is the deal breaker. Seeing the Metro/Modern in a small menu now is more aesthetically pleasing than before and I hope they really move forward with this design.

 

I plainly want simplicity, and to me, that's what a Start Menu brings and offers.

 

And on a off-topic note, Fallout 3 runs a lot better on Windows 8.1 than it did on Windows 7 

[Builder]

We can also notice that it looks like Win9 will no borderless windows look, which is nice, in my opinion.

I wonder what OS has had this for...I don't know? Eight years?

 

How do you know all the people that are complaining never used it?

The fact that I had to Google where the shutdown is is quite frankly terrible.

 

It's annoying to hear the constant hate on the Metro UI because it's perfectly fucking fine.

No, it's not. The philosophy is perfect but the design is flawed, read more here: http://www.fastcodesign.com/3023244/microsofts-windows-8-is-the-perfect-os-that-nobody-wants

 

And 99% of the people that do have skewed reasons as to why.

Source?

 

So far, it has not been broken. And that is very impressive, considering that it appeared since Vista, and Windows is so widely used.

Then again, maybe hackers don't need to break it, because users allows malware/virus infections when prompted. Sure you can say that Microsoft should do like Linux/Unix where it needs to enter a password every time, but then the massive majority of people will complain. Already, people freaked out with Vista, and despite attempts to diminish the prompts by default, people still complain. So, there is no magic solution, sadly.

And Unix based operating systems have had this since at least the early nineties if not earlier. Also Metasploit can bypass UAC fairly easily.

[Igor Perrotta]

Great no aero. That is just amazing i was almost regretting my win 7 to 8.1 update i hope nine comes out faster 

[RH00D]

Well you're right its not your problem that I don't see any changes other than icons and old features being brought back as an improvement or that 3rd party apps did some of those improvements for years, in the same way its not our problem that you think an icon change is a huge improvement, you might want to look for the Icon editor and see how anyone can change an icon.

He never said changing icons is a huge improvement. The point is that you cannot gauge improvements only through visual screenshots. As an example here are some of the improvements that Windows 8.0 made over Windows 7, written by Steven Sinfosky himself on MSDN.

 

2D rendering and performance improvements

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/07/23/hardware-accelerating-everything-windows-8-graphics.aspx

 

Here are some of the key improvements:

 

Text rendering:

2D geometry rendering:

Anti-aliased geometry rendering:

You can read the full post for even more information and other improvements.

Also, these 2D rendering improvements are main reason why people say Windows 8.x just "feels" faster and snappier.

 

Simplified and improved printing support

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/07/25/simplifying-printing-in-windows-8.aspx

 

Media platform improvements

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/06/08/building-a-rich-and-extensible-media-platform.aspx

 

Primary improvement in CPU utilization during video decoding:

 

IPv6 in Windows 8.x

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/06/05/connecting-with-ipv6-in-windows-8.aspx

 

Enhanced multi monitor support

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/21/enhancing-windows-8-for-multiple-monitors.aspx

 

Startup time improvements

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/22/designing-for-pcs-that-boot-faster-than-ever-before.aspx

 

NTFS file system improvements

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/09/redesigning-chkdsk-and-the-new-ntfs-health-model.aspx

 

Advanced storage enhancements

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/01/05/virtualizing-storage-for-scale-resiliency-and-efficiency.aspx

 

Large hard disks and sectors in Windows 8.x

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/11/29/enabling-large-disks-and-large-sectors-in-windows-8.aspx

 

Minimizing Windows Update restarts

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/11/14/minimizing-restarts-after-automatic-updating-in-windows-update.aspx

 

Using Task Manager with 64+ logical processors

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/27/using-task-manager-with-64-logical-processors.aspx

 

Windows 8.x power management

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/11/08/building-a-power-smart-general-purpose-windows.aspx

 

Task Manager's vast improvements

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/13/the-windows-8-task-manager.aspx

 

Reduced runtime memory

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/07/reducing-runtime-memory-in-windows-8.aspx

 

ISO and VHD native support

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/08/30/accessing-data-in-iso-and-vhd-files.aspx

 

Improvements in Windows Explorer

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/08/29/improvements-in-windows-explorer.aspx

 

File transfer improvements

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/08/23/improving-our-file-management-basics-copy-move-rename-and-delete.aspx

 

Robust USB 3.0 support

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/08/22/building-robust-usb-3-0-support.aspx

 

File History

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/07/10/protecting-user-files-with-file-history.aspx

 

 

TL;DR

I don't expect you to read all of the posts, but my point here is that judging the OS only by visual screenshots is silly and if you chose to do research you would see that each OS iteration has tons of improvements and enhancements. Being ignorant is a choice.

[RASQ]

 

It looks like I won't be getting the only change I really wanted. How the fuck does Windows Explorer not have a tab bar? I'm pretty sure it's the only (web/file) browser that still doesn't have this basic and necessary feature. With all the stupid and unnecessary changes they have made to Windows over the last few years I can't believe they haven't added this yet. I find it really irritating having to use multiple instances of WE if I want multiple folders open at once. The really stupid thing is that Internet Explorer has a tab bar. They obviously already have the code to implement the feature, they just need to copy it into WE.

[RH00D]

 

It looks like I won't be getting the only change I really wanted. How the fuck does Windows Explorer not have a tab bar? I'm pretty sure it's the only (web/file) browser that still doesn't have this basic and necessary feature. With all the stupid and unnecessary changes they have made to Windows over the last few years I can't believe they haven't added this yet. I find it really irritating having to use multiple instances of WE if I want multiple folders open at once. The really stupid thing is that Internet Explorer has a tab bar. They obviously already have the code to implement the feature, they just need to copy it into WE.

There is a plugin/addon called QTTabBar which adds tab support to the native Windows Explorer. It also supports Windows 8.x. It has a ton of customization features, or you can have it just be for tabbed Explorer browsing. Also once this is installed, clicking a folder by pressing the scroll-wheel on your mouse will open that folder in a new tab, there seems to be tons of cool functionality. I just tried it out it seems like a neat addon.

[Ren]

Graphical changes are pretty much always the very last thing to be changed. Even with Windows 7 it looked almost identical to Vista right until a month or two before being released and also Windows 8 was changing graphical styles right up until a month or two before final build was complete.

Then this makes me a lot more comfortable. I don't care if Windows Aero theme doesn't come back as long as something else great replaces the Win8 theme they're showing. I dislike more than that when it comes to the leaks but I expected Win7 to be worse due to how Vista was. I can get used to 9 if it looks better than this for sure.

[Bearukun]

Can't wait to get the start menu back, it's a shame that that doesn't happen with Windows 8.1 unless you use un-official addons. 

[RASQ]

There is a plugin/addon called QTTabBar which adds tab support to the native Windows Explorer. It also supports Windows 8.x. It has a ton of customization features, or you can have it just be for tabbed Explorer browsing. Also once this is installed, clicking a folder by pressing the scroll-wheel on your mouse will open that folder in a new tab, there seems to be tons of cool functionality. I just tried it out it seems like a neat addon.

That is awesome. Thanks for the link. Would still be nice to have it as a default feature though.

[IdeaStormer]

<back dated info on previous OS's not the subject at hand>

 

Really dude, how about sticking to the subject and not going off  pontificating one a different topic than what the thread is about. I can list all the great advances of an OS has has but if it has nothing to do with the thread its just trolling.

 

:rolleyes:

[RobertTreadway18]

I was never a real fan of windows after windows 7 because of the new "improved" desktop with all the apps. I wonder if it will actually get better or just stay the way it is with minimal changes just with the "brand new update" slogan that many companies rely on.