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I can see where they are coming from but the main difference is that Anime isn't real. I love anime it's on par with PC hardware and gaming but even I have to admit some anime take it way too far down the echi road. I tend to avoid those shows though because they also tend to be not very good anyway. But yea it's not child p0rn though because it's simply not real.

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It is NOT ok because it encourages the behaviour IRL. If it isn't deterring it, it's promoting it. It's wrong.

Yes, and shooting people in video games encourages people to shoot other people IRL.

/Sarcasm

People who make shooter video games don't make them with the intent to promote the killing of other human beings. They make shooters because they're enjoyable to play and people enjoy playing them. It's fan service really.

If people stop playing shooter games, then developers will stop making shooter games. You can apply that same principle here with these explicit anime/manga.

 

Listen, I never said that I approved of it, but it's perfectly legal for them to sell since it doesn't involve real people. You also have to remember that some country's laws are just different than your own country's laws. Am I saying that most Japanese people read/watch that kind of stuff? Oh nononono, definitely not. I'm sure it's quite the opposite, but the facts still stand that it doesn't involve real people and is harming nobody.

 

You make it sound like a kid stumbled across his father's Playboy magazine and Playboy should be to blame for it. It's not Playboy's fault that the kid saw it.

Yes, I did steal this example from somewhere...forgot where though.

Likewise, people under 18 shouldn't be looking at that kind of stuff (back to the topic at hand here). It's adult content, made by adults, for adults. Nobody is getting harmed, the makers are making money, and adults get to have their fun time.

I'm sure that sounds gross to you, and it does to me as well, but that's just how it is. It's perfectly legal content made for adults. Deal with it.

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Yes, and shooting people in video games encourages people to shoot other people IRL.

/Sarcasm

People who make shooter video games don't make them with the intent to promote the killing of other human beings. They make shooters because they're enjoyable to play and people enjoy playing them. It's fan service really.

If people stop playing shooter games, then developers will stop making shooter games. You can apply that same principle here with these explicit anime/manga.

Listen, I never said that I approved of it, but it's perfectly legal for them to sell since it doesn't involve real people. You also have to remember that some country's laws are just different than your own country's laws. Am I saying that most Japanese people read/watch that kind of stuff? Oh nononono, definitely not. I'm sure it's quite the opposite, but the facts still stand that it doesn't involve real people and is harming nobody.

You make it sound like a kid stumbled across his father's Playboy magazine and Playboy should be to blame for it. It's not Playboy's fault that the kid saw it.

Yes, I did steal this example from somewhere...forgot where though.

Likewise, people under 18 shouldn't be looking at that kind of stuff (back to the topic at hand here). It's adult content, made by adults, for adults. Nobody is getting harmed, the makers are making money, and adults get to have their fun time.

I'm sure that sounds gross to you, and it does to me as well, but that's just how it is. It's perfectly legal content made for adults. Deal with it.

I think the point at hand is that while yes, it IS legal, it shouldn't be. Lolicon is NOT ok for anyone to be in possession of, regardless of race, culture or age. It is an unhealthy phenomenon.

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Lolicon is NOT ok for anyone to be in possession of, regardless of race, culture or age.

Lolicon is actually in reference to anime/manga characters who are 13 years of age or younger, or have the appearance of somebody who is 13 years or younger. So loli in and of itself isn't explicit.

 

I think the point at hand is that while yes, it IS legal, it shouldn't be.

How come? There's nothing legally wrong with it. They're drawings. That's all they are. Are they explicit? Yes, but it's not actual child pornography. They're drawings.

 

It is an unhealthy phenomenon.

A "phenomenon" that you don't know much about, as shown from your previous posts. There are far fewer lolicons than you may think, and they're a loud minority.

 

As a recap: Not all lolis are used for these explicit anime/manga.

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It's art...if it doesn't hurt anyone directly no one should care.

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I smell kiss x sis in here.

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If we accept heavily stylized drawings as the same as real life porn this sets up a precedence. If we accept that then the argument of "art" for nude drawings lose all the meaning. Educational nudity also goes out the window. They are all porn too.

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If we accept heavily stylized drawings as the same as real life porn this sets up a precedence. If we accept that then the argument of "art" for nude drawings lose all the meaning. Educational nudity also goes out the window. They are all porn too.

 

Not to mention the galleries around the world that are almost chock full of Nude paintings of children and all those cherub status with alarmingly high detail on the genitals.

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WTF? CNN?! Shame on them!

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/18/world/asia/japan-manga-anime-pornography/

 

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https://www.change.org/petitions/cnn-take-down-the-anime-manga-childporn-video-and-apologize

 

I forgot to include the CNN Video about they were talking about Anime/Manga is a child pornography. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXkCFqNrDas

I honestly don't like Anime/Manga and believe people are entitled to their own opinion but this is seriously crap.

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I'm pretty sure that CNN or anyone else would be smart enough to notice if there is "Child Porn" in some animes like DBZ or FMA and not ban them, but come on, there are some messed up stuff in animes that really shouldn't be allowed even if its not real.

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Regardless of whether or not you believe it encourages or rewards actual child pornography and pedophilia, calling underage anime porn the same thing as underage real porn does a real disservice to how terrible and disgusting actual pedophiles are.

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I smell kiss x sis in here.

That's not necessarily "bad" though...

I mean, I haven't seen it yet, but I know what it's about...

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That's not necessarily "bad" though...

I mean, I haven't seen it yet, but I know what it's about...

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CNN is shit. This is why I never look at news. This is taking it too far.

 

Most Anime and Manga has at least one underage character or at least looks like it. But again, they don't engage in sexual acts. Only baths and pools. They should know that this is fiction, and its readers are smart enough to not apply this in real life. It's like indirectly saying "Oooh, these so-called otaku nerds in Japan can't tell what fantasy and reality is." WELL FUCK YOU CNN.

 

 

I've read some that are featured in the video and it doesn't contain any sexual content. I've read alot of doujinshi that contain sexual loli content, which are easily objectionable. But that doesn't mean it will teach children to do such stuff.

 

The Anime/Manga community is already being badly bashed and we don't care about it. Everyone has different tastes of entertainment so why should they care. But CNN just took it too far. They even completely muted the Japanese audio and completely dubbed it with maybe a completely wrong translation, or maybe the translator (which I didn't even hear in the video) purposely mistranslated it so that the legislator will say 'sono towari' (Exactly). I could understand some Japanese. How would I know if they are telling the truth?

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But everything for sale here is legal, because these graphic images are on comic strips.

Well they are not really on comic strips but whatever. You also forgot to mention that they are fictional works, just like Superman and Batman. You're making it sound like it's real life photos being published but it's okay because you are arranged as a comic strip.

 

A lot of the things we saw in were really disturbing [...]

Or arousing, depending on who you ask.

 

These were cartoons but really they were pornographic illustrations of young girls engaged, often times in violent sex with older men.

and they are works of fiction. Just want to make sure we remember that because it's kind of an important detail you keep glossing over.

 

But graphic cartoons, even ones showing kids being raped will stay legal. Why? Because anime animation and manga comics are a multibillion dollar industry with political and lobbying power.

Speaking of bad things being legal, that pronunciation of anime was criminally bad. Anyway, it's not really because of lobbyists it stays legal. First of all, you can't really bundle the loli rape group together with all of anime/manga. Anime and manga is a multibillion dollar industry combined, but it is separated into many groups. The book industry is huge in the US, but I don't think the authors of children's books has the same political agenda as the ones writing about rape and torture *cough* 50 shades of gray *cough*.

Also, you keep ignoring the fact that you are talking about works of fiction. Trying to stop someone from publishing a work of fiction is against freedom of speech and expression. You could take the exact same argument as argue that 50 shades of gray, the best selling book in the world, should be banned. It is about a woman being raped. However, since it's just a work of fiction it stays legal.

I also think it's funny that someone from the US whines about companies lobbying for things. I guess it's only okay when it's done to support your ideologies.

 

-Are you concerned that this animated child porn could lead to criminal behaviour.

-Absolutely

He points to the arrest of this murder suspect. Accused of stabbing a 7 year old girl more than 10 times. Police seized large amounts of child porn from his home but won't say it if real or animated.

I am willing to bet that murder suspect also had a toothbrush in his home. Pretty much all murderers have toothbrushes! Clearly there is a link between brushing teeth and brutally murdering people. We must ban toothbrushes before more innocent people get killed! Or maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't jump to conclusions. Like they say later in the video, there is no evidence that links real life child abuse to fictional child abuse. This reminds me a lot about violent video games. Believe it or not, but people do know the difference between real and fiction. The ones that don't are the very rare exceptions and they can be dangerous no matter what. Banning things won't make those people any less dangerous.

You can't make bold statements like "killing people in a game lead to you killing people in real life" or "fapping to fictional underage girls leads to you raping real life children" without solid evidence.

 

Actual children suffering and crying is not acceptable he says. But manga doesn't involve actual children so there are no actual victims.

The first sensible thing in the entire video.

 

He points out that even some of his own art features teenage girls in sexual situations.

"But these are not children and they are not being raped. There is a big difference".

Well that's the problem with out current child porn laws. The law does not separate between a 17 year old having consensual sex with someone that person loves, and a 5 year old being sexually abused against her will. They are both classified as child pornography. What's even more idiotic is that in countries where the age of consent is below 18 (read: most countries) it is perfectly legal to have sex with for example a 15 year old, but it is illegal to have a picture of a 17 year old masturbating.

 

There is an argument that manga like that will endues child sexual abuse he says.

Exactly, and that's the argument the reporter have used throughout the video. That crimes in fiction will lead to real life crimes. There is no evidence that it will. It is the same argument used by anti-violent games and movie groups have used for ages and every single peer-reviewed study proves them wrong.

 

She says she worked on a case where a predator used a cartoon to convinice a child, sex abuse is normal.

I don't have any doubt in my mind that this really happened. My issue with this statement is that I don't see how banning loli/shota porn would solve anything. The one who abused the child is already classified as a criminal. Making the thing he used to commit the crime illegal would not have stopped him since he could just have gotten it through illegal means. Hell might even have used real life child porn if he couldn't have gotten access to the manga. Making more things illegal will never stop people who are already criminals from committing crimes, since they obviously don't care about the law.

 

 

It's so illogical. How can the image on the left be bad, but the image on the right be okay?

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If you think I am exaggerating then you would be wrong. The release of Dead or Alive Dimensions was delayed in the Nordic countries because it was risking being classified as child pornography. The reason was because the game featured girls below the age of 18 showing lots of cleavage and pantie shots. The game was released after they changed the age of the characters from "16" to "X". Nothing was changed on the character models, just the age was removed.

 

 

I'll end with a quote from "The World God Only Knows" that I really like:

Person 1: People like you, who can't tell the difference between games and reality, end up becoming criminals!

Person 2: Don't compare games to reality. A game is a game. Reality is reality. People who try to link them are the ones who can't tell the difference.

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I think you said everything there is to say. It is as stupid as saying film/games make people violent. Oh! also more we advance on the road of understanding brain more we tend to find similar brain maping on criminal. (I'm not saying we should arrest everyone with this only fact)

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Am I the only one who considers this article by CNN to be either fraud or slander?

 

And as a fan of hentai, I can say, it's just art. It's fun to look at specifically because it isn't real, its pure fantasy, which is why I for one enjoy it. Can't speak for others tho

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*If you don't want to read my novel here's the quickies:

-CNN has an actual story here as alot of issues are unsolved

-CNN covered it though far too quickly as it's a much more complicated issue than just Japan has evil porn!

-CNN didn't state that this is an issue with Hentai anime & manga and not their normal cousins

 

*ruling: CNN has a story, but due to poor reporting left out many details and did more harm than good

 

*Novel:

Ok, well while I agree really that having depictions of really young children being raped and such in certain hentai manga & anime is definitely an issue, there's a couple things we need to take into consideration first. Firstly you have the cluster fuck that is Japans age of consent and whatnot..(It can range from 13 to 18 depending on the prefecture, 13 is the national limit, but the prefectures limit overrules the national.) So I'm guessing that to cater for as many people as possible, and for international trade, that all characters depicted are "18". The issues is you run into a situation in which it would be hard to prove that any character is under 18, since I could draw a 7 year old and say that she's much older and it's just my art style, or any other excuse. This leads to the issue that even though I'd love to see legislation in place to save the children! *sorry Loli-cons* That it would be a nightmare to actually enforce and would just a massive failure which is the issue, and is also why nothings been done effectively yet not for lack of trying, but for trying to find a solution that will work the best and juggle the economic impacts of any kind of legislation. Yes, CNN actually has a story here, however, shame on CNN for making this seem like all anime and manga which don't depict such items are all just terrible porn set on destroying the world. If they had decided to say something like the animated porn industry has issues or something else like that it would have been a lot better and then they would have a good point without getting a bunch of backlash. I mean really what they are talking about is a real issue, they just covered incorrectly and got all of this instead..

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I just watched the CNN video again. There is literally nothing wrong with the video. People who defend this degeneracy should take a god damn hard look at themselves. How would your parents feel if they knew you were into this stuff? How would your hypothetical younger sister feel? I hope later in life you look back and realise how disgusting this genre of anime/manga is.

 

I fail to believe that the people who are defending what the watch as, 'cute' are actually referring to the same content the report is dealing with. The video did not pertain to 'all anime' as some people seem to be taking it as - they're specifically reporting on one genre. Stop denying it.

 

It shames me that I share a nationality with the bloke trying to shoot down the CNN video.

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I just watched the CNN video again. There is literally nothing wrong with the video. People who defend this degeneracy should take a god damn hard look at themselves. How would your parents feel if they knew you were into this stuff? How would your hypothetical younger sister feel? I hope later in life you look back and realise how disgusting this genre of anime/manga is.

*This Genre* but but... the genre that CNN was aiming at wasn't even the right one... lol... They should be aiming at hentai and the different categorizes within that if their so worried. What's bothering a lot of people is that the series they target wasn't even offensive in the manner their talking about.

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*This Genre* but but... the genre that CNN was aiming at wasn't even the right one... lol... They should be aiming at hentai and the different categorizes within that if their so worried. What's bothering a lot of people is that the series they target wasn't even offensive in the manner their talking about.

 

The point still stands that there is an extremely unhealthy portion of anime and manga content that needs to be outlawed. I don't give a sh_t if anyone thinks it's 'just pictures' or 'just 2D'. If it were a cartoon depicting your parents or siblings being raped and/or killed, how would you feel? Stop calling a shovel a wheelbarrow. A shovel is a shovel, there is no point in defending it. Anime enthusiasts get so incredibly butthurt over this without realising what they're actually butthurt about and why they shouldn't be. It's sad.

 

'b-b-but muh animus' -stop.

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The point still stands that there is an extremely unhealthy portion of anime and manga content that needs to be outlawed. I don't give a sh_t if anyone thinks it's 'just pictures' or 'just 2D'. If it were a cartoon depicting your parents or siblings being raped and/or killed, how would you feel? Stop calling a shovel a wheelbarrow. A shovel is a shovel, there is no point in defending it. Anime enthusiasts get so incredibly butthurt over this without realising what they're actually butthurt about and why they shouldn't be. It's sad.

 

'b-b-but muh animus' -stop.

 

So, how do you feel about seeing this?

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So, how do you feel about seeing this?

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Art that is likely religiously inspired and is also harmful. What we're talking about here is negative like that, PLUS it involves little kids. It's wrong on every level.

 

Please stop trying to defend a culture that promotes pedophilia.

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