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AMD: APUs to get 25x more efficient by 2020

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FFS. Just make it so the APU's can run in crossfire with EVERY graphics card instead of just the low end ones.


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That would mean a decrease in power efficiency increase over time by 75%,

so basicly bad news? It also only seem to apply to mobile chips (if the power draw decreased by 60% the performance should have increased to 400% in the last 6 years....not sure which processor lineup they are talking about).

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why is everyone so negative?

 

remember the 480? that shit was even worst then 290x

 

they had to CUT HOLES IN THE PCB because it didnt get enough air... 


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Yeah well whatever you are aiming for please aim higher as nvidia is giving you a good spanking in that department right now. 

Your talking about a new generation of gpu's. 3 gens ago NVIDIA was behind AMD in terms of power usage. I'm sure AMD's new generation of gpu's will use less power then their current offerings.

 

why is everyone so negative?

 

remember the 480? that shit was even worst then 290x

 

they had to CUT HOLES IN THE PCB because it didnt get enough air... 

Indeed using over 400 watts. Just a bunch of NVIDIA fanboys being negative towards AMD.

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Die shrinks, architectural improvements, etc. It's not impossible.


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FFS. Just make it so the APU's can run in crossfire with EVERY graphics card instead of just the low end ones.

There wouldn't be a benefit with high-end cards. In fact, it would probably be slower in a lot of cases. It would be nice with an R7 260X (or its successor with Carizo), but anything higher than that is pointless.

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*looks at grandma's A6*

 

*laughs like a motherfucker*

 

Not seeing it.

*Looks at Xeon*

*Giggles*

Good luck AMD, you have a long way from it..

Psst, that A6 has similar power consumption to my old i5 650. *Click the image for benchmarks*

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Mantle and HSA alone would count for 20 of that 25x figure. If the software doesn't support either we're talking about a much more modest improvement. The hardware can only take you so far if you're running ancient code.

 

PS Maxwell isn't as efficient as people might imagine.
 

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Also please take note of this when looking at any power consumption graph.

Power consumption under the effects of a gaming workload also turns out to be lower than what older/slower equipment would have us believe. Those massive disparities between our gear and slower equipment only showed up in the last two generations of AMD's hardware, so it's a fairly recent phenomenon. But it does mean the company gets beaten up more than it should in most reviews.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-performance-benchmarks,3784-3.html
Due to the unique way of how AMD PowerTune works, most power consumption tests out there end up unfairly favoring Nvidia.

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The only reason I went with GTX 780 instead of R9 290 was the power consumption. Once AMD has that fixed, then it's sayonara Nvidia. Fuck you price gouging.


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There wouldn't be a benefit with high-end cards. In fact, it would probably be slower in a lot of cases. It would be nice with an R7 260X (or its successor with Carizo), but anything higher than that is pointless.

With current architecture yes, that's true. I'm saying they need to make changes, and using HSA make it so that you can run the onboard gpu with the high end expansion card gpu and find a way to make it beneficial overall. Have the onboard GPU render things that don't require as much power or something, like backgrounds, the sky, etc. Remove some of easier stuff from the workload of the high end gpu so that it can concentrate on the more intensive workloads.

 

Have them work together, but individually on their own things, granted that would be harder to do and would require support from the devs (I would think)


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I actually hope this is possible not only for the environmental impact, but with more efficient SOCs, AMD may be able to get into the mobile phone and tablet business. In addition, I would like AMD to catch up to INTEL so we can finally get some competition (innovation) in the CPU market. I think that Moore's law states that processing power will double every 18-24 months. It has nothing to do with efficiency. Go AMD!!!!!!

The law is that the number of transistors doubles, not that computing power doubles, which is a pipe dream.

 

Furthermore, there's a ton of innovation in Intel's hardware. Programmers and consumers are just too slow to pick it up. Intel has 4 ALU clusters per core in its CPUs. AMD has 2 even in its most recent architecture. Intel has extremely good power efficiency. Intel hosts the bleeding edge network interface technology. Intel has the fastest floating point calculator in the industry too. Just because you have software that stupidly uses spin locks (infinite loops until a condition is met) which send your CPU usage to 100% for no good reason on junk calculations doesn't mean Intel isn't innovating. Now Intel is focusing on iGPU and innovations that go beyond the simple calculations, such as wireless charging with Skylake, unified memory with Skylake for greater iGPU performance, and much more while trying to cram it into smaller and smaller thermal and power packages. Don't get me wrong: Intel was a highly anti-competitive company for a while, but it's highly innovative. Programmers just suck that much.


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I don't know why people are so negative, if they start chasing power efficiency I'm sure they could bring down the power consumption maybe not to the point where their goal is set at but probably down a considerable amount. Plus they are saying 2020, none of us can see into the future so only time will tell.  


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FFS. Just make it so the APU's can run in crossfire with EVERY graphics card instead of just the low end ones.

The graphics architecture has to exist before it can be integrated. I'm pretty sure APUs will always be a graphics architecture behind discrete cards for exactly this reason.


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Lots of bullshit useless posting.

Seems to be a theme here: hate on a product/company you don't like because it's not popular in place for your other favorite corporate brand.


Whether you feel you have an excuse or not for your ignorant posting: useless comments in no way related to the original post does not help this community. You guys really betray your own age, or at the least, your maturity.

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The graphics architecture has to exist before it can be integrated. I'm pretty sure APUs will always be a graphics architecture behind discrete cards for exactly this reason.

Well, if you look at what AMD has talked about, with HSA, the idea is sound. You would need software to support it yes, but other than that, there is no reason that the onboard gpu on a processor can't handle the lower speed lower intensity workloads while the "discrete" gpu (still not sure why in the hell it's called that) handles the higher priority stuff. The only thing needed is for the 2 to communicate in such a way that each knows what it needs to do.

 

Lots of bullshit useless posting.

Seems to be a theme here: hate on a product/company you don't like because it's not popular in place for your other favorite corporate brand.

Whether you feel you have an excuse or not for your ignorant posting: useless comments in no way related to the original post does not help this community. You guys really betray your own age, or at the least, your maturity.

 

Your post is equally useless.


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Whether AMD delivers or not, it's nice to see this sort of action coming from both Nvidia and AMD, as that's only going to be good for us.


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But think about it. That means in 2020, an APU would rival a high end GPU today (not necessarily a 290X/780Ti, but a 280x/770). It may play games on low that are released in 2020, but imagine all the games you will be able to max out from 2000-2015, on an APU

That's pretty crazy.

It'll be a lot more than that dude. And in 2020, the gap between APU's and GPU's will be much closer. Just like how mobile gpu today are catching up to desktop GPU's


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Love how Apple, Nvidia, Intel, ect. Can say we'll be more efficient and everyones like "Awesome, better <insert product here> faster and more efficient> as to where everyone on this thread is like:
A: AMD's lieing
B: Doubt it
C: More efficient doesn't mean better
D: it'll probably be slower then...

from the company responsible for the FX-9590 and r9 290x

idk man Nvidia made the 480 which was hotter than the 9590 and 290x >.> someones having some fanboy tunnel vision Nvidia's 480 was soooo hot and inefficient even for the time that Nvidia made the 500 series less than a year later, THEY RUSHED IT OUT and even delivered an appology saying it was a failure and that they only released it cause they were DESPERATE, Do note: They never released the 300 series because it was also labeled a failure so bad they skipped it and refused to use the name almost as if they thought it would be a curse... And now look at the 980... And intel was (and kind of is still) a d*** they used to release very hot CPUs and for a while there AMD was king of cpus the thing is intel was just good at marketting and making profits AMD would sell CPUs at nearly no profit and remember AMD invented 64bit, Dual Core CPUs, Quad Core CPUs, Hexa Core CPUs, Octo Core Cpus, and also were the first ones to break 1Ghz... Just pointing this out to you because companies can change I mean the company that made the 480 also made the 980... And Intel the company that's as stubborn as a mule made Haswell...


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Love how Apple, Nvidia, Intel, ect. Can say we'll be more efficient and everyones like "Awesome, better <insert product here> faster and more efficient> as to where everyone on this thread is like:

A: AMD's lieing

B: Doubt it

C: More efficient doesn't mean better

D: it'll probably be slower then...

idk man Nvidia made the 480 which was hotter than the 9590 and 290x >.> someones having some fanboy tunnel vision Nvidia's 480 was soooo hot and inefficient even for the time that Nvidia made the 500 series less than a year later, THEY RUSHED IT OUT and even delivered an appology saying it was a failure and that they only released it cause they were DESPERATE, Do note: They never released the 300 series because it was also labeled a failure so bad they skipped it and refused to use the name almost as if they thought it would be a curse... And now look at the 980... And intel was (and kind of is still) a d*** they used to release very hot CPUs and for a while there AMD was king of cpus the thing is intel was just good at marketting and making profits AMD would sell CPUs at nearly no profit and remember AMD invented 64bit, Dual Core CPUs, Quad Core CPUs, Hexa Core CPUs, Octo Core Cpus, and also were the first ones to break 1Ghz... Just pointing this out to you because companies can change I mean the company that made the 480 also made the 980... And Intel the company that's as stubborn as a mule made Haswell...

Yea i know but in modern pcparts those are the worst and the topic is amd


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Actually you do bring an interesting point: Why doesn't AMD just create a HUGE sized die for it's next socket? We've come pretty far in miniaturization for those itx boards and such so why not make a die size like double the size or more and fit truly great performing CPU along side GPU?

Twice the size of LGA 2011-3, half the performance! :D


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This is good news, a short time period for something stronger than the Athlon 5350 to be power efficient enough to fit into a smartphone.

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Love how Apple, Nvidia, Intel, ect. Can say we'll be more efficient and everyones like "Awesome, better <insert product here> faster and more efficient> as to where everyone on this thread is like:

A: AMD's lieing

B: Doubt it

C: More efficient doesn't mean better

D: it'll probably be slower then...

idk man Nvidia made the 480 which was hotter than the 9590 and 290x >.> someones having some fanboy tunnel vision Nvidia's 480 was soooo hot and inefficient even for the time that Nvidia made the 500 series less than a year later, THEY RUSHED IT OUT and even delivered an appology saying it was a failure and that they only released it cause they were DESPERATE, Do note: They never released the 300 series because it was also labeled a failure so bad they skipped it and refused to use the name almost as if they thought it would be a curse... And now look at the 980... And intel was (and kind of is still) a d*** they used to release very hot CPUs and for a while there AMD was king of cpus the thing is intel was just good at marketting and making profits AMD would sell CPUs at nearly no profit and remember AMD invented 64bit, Dual Core CPUs, Quad Core CPUs, Hexa Core CPUs, Octo Core Cpus, and also were the first ones to break 1Ghz... Just pointing this out to you because companies can change I mean the company that made the 480 also made the 980... And Intel the company that's as stubborn as a mule made Haswell...

Remember it's Intel who gave AMD a license to make x86 cpu's, if they decided to be a "d***" about it we would only have ATi now. Also inventing a quadcore/hexacore isn't inventing anymore, any idiot could just stack cores next to each other while ignoring what power it would consume. Inventing the dual core is however inventing. AMD wasn't the first with 6 cores though, Intel was 2 years earlier with a 6 core but Intel was one day later with an eightcore.

First Intel 6 core: http://ark.intel.com/products/36941/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7450-12M-Cache-2_40-GHz-1066-MHz-FSB

First AMD 6 core: Opteron 2419

First AMD 8 core: Opteron 61KS

First Intel 8 core: http://ark.intel.com/products/46495

On the desktop side, Intel was earlier with an eightcore but decided to be like you said a "d***" with the 3930K lasercutting 2 cores. We haven't seen anything higher than an eightcore from AMD yet, no wonder if you struggle getting your power consumption under control, their only eightcore atm is just their opteron bulldozer based one thats advertised as a 16 core. Intel is at 18 already or? 

Dominating X86 is quite straight forward; pair highest single core performance with the lowest power consumption you win. Lets not call Intel a "d***" and somehow think AMD is pure love, if they have the feeling they can instantly make an end to AMD by simply offering their 5960x for the price of a 8320 and 5930K for the price of a 4300 - that would destroy the competition completely and Intel playing a monopoly we all will be hating. Whatever made you think Intel is stubborn, blame AMD. Anyways most people will be skeptical about their claim, we have to wait like 2 years to finally see their Zen architecture so I kinda lost my hope in AMD catching up with Intel.

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